Trump Consciousness

Never said Trump went to Epstein's island. Actually read the exchange between myself and David and you'd see that quite clearly. I won't try to explain the rest of the context since you couldn't connect those basic dots.

As for being honest, I think you're a kook. We'll just have to wait for the eventual democratic administration to come and go while our country remains standing so you can see it yourself. That honest enough for you?
 
Never said Trump went to Epstein's island. Actually read the exchange between myself and David and you'd see that quite clearly. I won't try to explain the rest of the context since you couldn't connect those basic dots.

As for being honest, I think you're a kook. We'll just have to wait for the eventual democratic administration to come and go while our country remains standing so you can see it yourself. That honest enough for you?
Never said you said that. If you read my post, you'll clearly see I simply made a statement that Trump never went to Epstein's island.

Connecting dots of someone's back and forth does not have to include agreement with your dots.

As for being a kook, I surely am!

“A sane person to an insane society must appear insane.”

― Kurt Vonnegut, Welcome to the Monkey House
 
David, if you can't find even one objective example of how Trump is alienating voters while doubling down on his base, I can't help you. Its beyond patently obvious to anyone paying attention in the U.S. I realize you aren't an American citizen so perhaps you just haven't been paying attention.
Actually I can't - what the hell is he supposed to do under the circumstances in addition to condemning the policeman who did this crime, as well as those who watched, and threatening to send in the troops to stop the looting if necessary.

This amazing, brave lady says it all:


David
 
I like to think this is a site for intellectual discussion about difficult topics, and I wouldn't mind those on the "Left" side of this debate explaining just what they think the black people of the US actually want. What is this massive grievance that justifies some of the scenes in NY and other places.

I mean, a lot of people of all colours get murdered by the police over time. I suppose the police get into some very aggressive situations, and sometimes they overstep the line. Now that they carry bodycams, they generally pay for mistakes like that. So what else? Some on the Left would like to defund the police - which would presumably sweep them off your streets - does anyone here think that might be a good idea?

I mean, lets try to raise the discussion a bit to try to sort out what their grievances are - and lets take account of what Candice Owens had to say.

David
 
And then you have this interesting "ending" to it all - well spelled out in this article here -

The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained

So did I think there was enough to all this to ensure I would never vote for Donald Trump to be President? Yep, except for one other factor.

The alternative - Hillary Clinton.
Doesn't that account rather suggest that the whole accusation was phoney? Even the newspaper article seemed to imply that. To me the problem is that the Left have turned up one phoney story after another to try to unseat Trump - think of Kavanagh!
Anyway, thanks for finding all that - I think that relates to what Ed Opperman told @Alex.

David
 
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For anyone who reside in the US: what the hell is happening, people?! From all the info I gathered online, it seems that there is something akin to a full-country-scale armed insurrection happening in you country right now!

Or is it exxagerated?
That is what it looks like to me and I am in New York. Not New York City, but an hour and a half north in NY state. To my eyes, the Floyd protests, the death of George Floyd, and the riots are distinct from each other and unrelated. BLM hijacked Floyd's death to pursue their agenda through the protests (a Marxist agenda) and Antifa used the protests as the catalyst for riots they'd been planning since November, long before Floyd's death. Supposedly, Venezuelan agents have been found among the riot instigators.
 
I mean, lets try to raise the discussion a bit to try to sort out what their grievances are - and lets take account of what Candice Owens had to say.

David
Until recently, the schism between liberal and conservative ideologies was an irritation. Now, I see it has the potential to be an existential threat. As such, it must be addressed. I write this at two thirty in the morning of June 6, 2020, one week after riots started in dozens of major cities across America. Those disturbances are ongoing to this very moment, according to a quick scan of the news. The thought of these events has kept me up all of this night and the several nights that preceded it. The reason is that I now realize that the principal demand made by the protesters, “justice for George Floyd”, is a lie. If that is what they wanted, they would have gone home as soon as the four officers connected to his death were fired and arrested on murder charges. That is how justice works in this country. Clearly, the protesters wanted something else.

They could argue that they wanted “systemic racism” eliminated, though if such a problem were real, it could not possibly be dealt with before rioters burned down every major city in the country, thus making the exercise a destructive waste of time. A Pyrrhic victory is the most they could accomplish but that isn’t an accomplishment to be proud of. They could say that they want to see leaders in government step forward and accept that systemic racism is a real problem and commit to eradicate it. However, many people in positions of authority have already done as much. Again, this is not what the protesters are looking for. Almost as soon as the protests began, they had the dictionary definition of “justice for George Floyd”, at least, so far as is allowed by our constitution, and the further promise to reform The police departments of our nation. And yet, they kept protesting.

In reality, they couldn’t possibly be asking for real justice of any kind. If they cared about that, they wouldn’t have formed themselves into an unruly mob, looted stores, burned them to the ground, assaulted innocent passers-by, and murdered strangers. These are all inherently unrighteous actions that are antithetical to the ideals of justice. The mob was there to threaten, harass, destroy, and kill. The proof is that they did all of these things. Although no ropes were used, in an irony lost on its participants, the protests had become a lynch mob. Did “justice for George Floyd” mean the immediate execution of the four officers? Would that abate the blood-thirst of the mob? Or would they continue to wreak havoc until some other goal was achieved?

George Floyd is an unlikely martyr whose only two virtues may have been that his skin was dark and that he died while resisting arrest. He had served time in prison for armed robbery, multiple drug-related offenses, and a particularly heinous home invasion robbery wherein he and five other men overpowered a pregnant woman at gunpoint, threatened her life and that of her unborn child, and robbed her house. The woman, for the record, was an African American, like Floyd. It isn’t often that people gather in large crowds and riot for the sake of a criminal, to see those responsible for his death murdered as retribution. Traditionally, a criminal murders someone who is innocent, and then a lynch mob forms to try, convict, and punish the person responsible.

In Floyd’s case, while his past might be relevant to the reason why he was arrested and subsequently restrained, his death in the custody of four police officers is seen as a cause celebre' meant to condemn the police in general. Like Trayvon Williams and other criminals before him, riots broke out for the express purpose of defying law and order, ostensibly to prevent any other black criminals from being accidentally killed while committing crimes. If successful, the anarchy of these riots would lead to only more anarchy. But as bad as the riots are, that isn’t the worst of it. The worst part is the support rioters have received from otherwise well-meaning people who are too afraid, too brain-washed, or too strategically inept to see that the demands for justice are unfounded, unjustified, dangerous, and will ultimately lead to their mental enslavement as the emotional and moral inferiors to those who claim the moral high ground while simultaneously looting, burning, and killing.

The dangers posed by liberalism are many. The danger created by failing to oppose liberalism is to see all of our worst fears realized within our lifetimes, in our country, in our homes, affecting us and our children for years, or worse, generations. Revolutions such as that sought by American liberals have occurred many times over the centuries. In revolutionary France, the Communist revolutions in Russia and China, Marxist revolutions in Cuba, Latin America, and most recently, Venezuela. We cannot afford to let it happen here, and must not be passive in the face of liberal aggression. It must be resisted, overcome, and eliminated as a serious threat.
 
Doesn't that account rather suggest that the whole accusation was phoney? Even the newspaper article seemed to imply that. To me the problem is that the Left have turned up one phoney story after another to try to unseat Trump - think of Kavanagh!
Anyway, thanks for finding all that - I think that relates to what Ed Opperman told @Alex.

David
Here's the bottom line. Because of the fact that even the most blinded progressive must admit to - that the media lies for the purpose of assisting the progressive movement with the goal of full blown Marxism, I do not automatically assume a smear job on Trump is a lie. I hold it in the "it could be true" category. The point was that regardless of how horrific Trump may be and regardless of how void of character his past and/or present may indicate, he represents, to me, "a wall" against Marxism.

Once the progressives gain power, especially if they are able to change the judiciary - the US is fOOcked forever... and this will accelerate the fOOckedness of the world.

Understand though, I see the very real possibility that powerful factions way above the "movie" they are selling us - the movie of nations, presidents, prime ministers, premiers, dictators, fundamentalist regimes, "world" organizations like the UN, the WHO, the WTO and banksters that use things like the BIS and the World Bank... and the illusion that any of those chess board pieces actually run the game... that those factions are actually running a game on the entire world population. If my suspicions have truth to them (and I put my money on it that they do) - we are all already frOOcked.

Look at the technology they have - just consider how advanced their quantum computing must be? Remember, what the public is allowed to know is miniscual to where they are actually at. Do you think we are still flying around in commercial jets with little advancement for 70 years because they haven't figured out a faster, more efficient and more safe way?

So why do I play the game? It's distractotainment pure and simple. But right now, Trump looks like he's toast on November 3rd, if he's still alive... as the way "the powers that be" are ramping up the game, just like a psychopathic policeman conveniently starts a race war, what better time for some "hero of the people" to end it all before Durham and Barr come out with the indictments... because they are coming and the Marxists know it, though they usually don't mind sacrificing some of their own... hell, even eating their own.
 
I forgot a few more things...all his buddies are in jail, famous conservatives are leaving the party and fires his own people when they speak out against him...how many people have been fired or quit??? Please explain to me how the Clinton's are worse?
None of what you are focusing on is what matters to me. What matters to me is the prevention of that which I wrote about in this post –
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/trump-consciousness.4080/page-84#post-142124

If you read that post, then you understand why the choice is a no brainer for me. You are wasting your time in trying to compare "bad guys" with me because, for me, it is not about "bad guys," it is about the prevention of the completion of an installment of Marxism in the US.
 
None of what you are focusing on is what matters to me. What matters to me is the prevention of that which I wrote about in this post –
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/trump-consciousness.4080/page-84#post-142124

If you read that post, then you understand why the choice is a no brainer for me. You are wasting your time in trying to compare "bad guys" with me because, for me, it is not about "bad guys," it is about the prevention of the completion of an installment of Marxism in the US.
Marxism??? In the USA? We're as capitalist as it gets!
 
Marxism??? In the USA? We're as capitalist as it gets!
The goal of progressivism is full blown Marxism.

If you are interested in understanding this, you might carefully read an explanation by Sonnie Johnson as to why we still have the black/white divide in the US and what has played a role in keeping this divide as it is -



The new fight is socialism vs capitalism.

To understand this – you have to understand how Marxism got into America… how it was implemented and how it was rooted.

And if you understand how Marxism got there, then you will understand what they are talking about when they say “systemic racism,” because they are the same thing.

The American form of Marxism is progressivism… the idea being, they don’t give it to you all at one time, they slowly progress society along towards their measures.

They knew that if they tried to push a socialistic agenda on the American people, that it would be rejected outright.

So their plan was to progressively insert more and more Marxism into the system until Marxism was the system and the people didn’t even realize that the switch had happened. That is the point of progressivism. If you are progressing, you are progressing towards “something”… and nobody arrives. What is your final destination point that you’re progressing toward?

And if do you ask them, they’ll say something like “equality.” And they mean it… equality of poverty that you find in Marxism.

So, if you do not understand the history of how we got here, you are not going to understand the fight we are currently in. Okay?

So, lets go through an abbreviated format of this history real quick – and again… everybody said, “we don’t wanna be black, we don’t wanna be white, we just want to be American.” OK, well this is American history. Just because it happens to focus on black people, as you said… black and white, we’re still American. Even though it is focused on black people it is still American history. And if you do not understand that it is still American history then you are missing the point of everything you are seeing happening in the streets right now.

This is how I told you it was gonna happen. This is how I predicted it. This is how I know that if we don’t make a change now, we are gonna lose our country. That’s it. Okay?

So – abbreviated version:

Straight off the plantation, right off of slavery, black people across the south began to build “Black Wall Street” under the tutelage of people like Booker T. Washington which this entire era after reconstruction is called the Booker T. Washington era. Okay?

They started to make “self-made millionaires” in every industry, in every different trade in everywhere that we could put our hands and we started to build Black Wall Street across the South. Now, while we were in this process of building Black Wall Street, the party that we fought in the Civil War… the party that was started cooperatively between blacks and whites, the Republican Party decided that “it” wanted to change course. It wanted to be “lily white.”

And no, that is not me making some kind of racial statement, that is literally what they called themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-white_movement

They called themselves “the Lily White Republicans.”

So, no… that is not “me” giving them that term. Okay?

So, they went about kicking black people out of the party. Very diligently, making sure that there were no black faces in high positions, because that way they could start to court more of the voters in the South. And their absence in black communities is what allowed a lot of the “Jim Crow” laws to continue to spread across the country and to remain unchallenged until you got the Civil Rights law of 1964… you can talk about the one in 1957, but the 1964 law actually had the impact. Right?

So, Republicans kicked black people out of the party. Democrats at the time during this Republican purge of black people that started in 1890s… the Democrats were in full racist mode, full KKK, they started to usher in people like Woodrow Wilson who would re-segregate the military, re-segregate the government… saying that segregation was in the best interests of both races. And even though he had black support, when those black supporters came to him and questioned him he would say, “if the negro feels like he made a mistake in voting for me he should change that.”

So now you have black people looking at two political parties (without a viable third as is the American way), and neither one of them wants their presence. Vocally, out front… neither one of them wants their presence.

Now during this time an ideology was spreading across Europe. The ideology of Marxism. And countries like Russia who liked communism set about trying to prove that communism was a better system than capitalism. And the way that they decided they would make that argument was using race as a guise. So, countries across Europe would invite American blacks to their country. And they would be treated like rock stars. They would be given first class treatment. It wasn’t because that’s how every citizen of that country was treated. It was because they wanted to give these black people the impression that under a Marxist system, “equality” could be found.

And of course, you might think otherwise, but at this time none of the real effects of communism, the real effects of Marxism had been seen yet. China hadn’t happened. Hitler hadn’t happened. None of the mass exterminations had happened yet.

It was just an experimental philosophy at the time. And these black people were like, “this sounds good.” We did they say it sounds good? They said it sounds good because both political parties at home were denying them access. So they went and they searched out an ideology that would get them to equality. The pushers of Marxism were happy to let them believe that.

These people came back… and they liked the ideas… matter of fact, they liked the ideas so much that is how Woodrow Wilson got his section of the black vote. Remember, Woodrow Wilson is the father of American progressivism. He’s the one they call, “the daddy of it all.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

https://whyy.org/articles/president-woodrow-wilsons-legacy-progressive-politics-and-racism/

So, these black people came back with this ideology and now their looking at Woodrow Wilson that he’s gonna be this generations Abraham Lincoln. He’s gonna be this generations savior to Black America. Why they were looking it him like that? Because they saw the ideology. The progressive ideology moving towards more government power, moving towards more government control, distribution of wealth. And in those things, unionization… “All of us come together… woo hoo!”

So, they supported Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson said, “OK, yeah… we’re progressive… let me show you how this stuff works… and segregated everything!

That was the beginning of America’s systemic racism.

That’s when it got into the federalized system as far as systemic racism is concerned. You can’t say it didn’t happen because its real, it did happen. It happened by a US president and the White House implemented itself into strategy. It was directly race based. Nothing about that can be denied. That democrat progressive Woodrow Wilson did all those things (while Lily White Republicans let it all happen too).

So, the first round of black intellectuals brought into progressivism, they got kicked in the teeth by Woodrow Wilson. So, then comes the second generation and they still want the ideology, they still want Marxism. They saw it that they just got screwed the first time in that it wasn’t equally applied to them.

So, here’s the second go-around with FDR and again, they give black support. They give black support for this progressive agenda. Again, a reason why you are talking about when did the parties switch sides, black people had been left out of the Republican party… so its not a matter of when they switched sides… they (the Republican party) switched sides back in the 1890s. Blacks had no side to go to because the Democrats hated blacks too! All that from the 1890s up to the 1920s.

So filling in a gap here from 1920 to FDR… then comes the renaissance, “the Harlem Renaissance”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Renaissance

https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/harlem-renaissance

What is a renaissance? A renaissance is a rebirth of intellect and culture simultaneously. You have to have both. So, the leading ideology before the renaissance was capitalism (in the black community up to about 1916/17 or so). Blacks were using capitalistic measures to build Black Wall Street.

https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Wall-Street-Renaissance-Greenwood/dp/1934645389

So, if you’re going to have an ideological rebirth of change, that means the capitalism has to go and some other ideology has to replace it. And it has to be replaced along with the culture. Hence you get the Harlem Renaissance.

Now you get this whole new infusion of Marxist ideology mixed with culture, mixed with art, mixed with poetry, mixed with music, mixed with short stories. Then you have this merger with that intellect with the culture and you get a Harlem Renaissance or, as they explain it, “changing the flag over Tuskegee” – remember Tuskegee was started by Booker T. Washington who was the first teacher (1881), who was a capitalist and a conservative… do it “yourselfer,” an entrepreneur, all of those things.

And this is when they “changed the flag over Tuskegee” – (1932)

https://www.google.com/books/editio...lag+over+tuskegee&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

And they threw their support behind FDR when FDR promises “a New Deal.”

“Okay, cool… we’re gonna get this new deal,”

Some (many) black people were left out of it. Their communities were “red lined” into districts where loans could not be made, investment could not be made. Over-regulation was rampant and yet they would put garbage companies near their neighborhoods. And listen to them talk about now, “environmental justice…” this is what they’re talking about. Because they really did it under progressive Democrat FDR and his New Deal. This is how they started to structure black communities.

On top of that, blacks were a new generation of wealth… remember they were straight off the plantation, they weren’t “old wealth,” “established wealth.”… not yet, but imagine if they had been left alone? But they weren’t. Under “the New Deal” taxes were tripled! So all of that money that black America had begun to accumulate was sucked right out of them by government via taxation. And then all these regulations were put into place from the federal level that prevented the regrowth. The economic system sucked the life blood out of Black America.

Remember, blacks were building it themselves. They were doing it themselves. They didn’t have a problem with that until the system of taxation got involved. Until the system of regulation got involved. Until the system of progressivism got involved (high taxes, massive regulation). And all this put blacks again on the track of systemic racism.

And this was the second time that the black intellectual had tricked by the Democrat progressives. Again, black people were excluded, and it was not a fair deal for blacks. It was a raw deal for blacks.

And they realized how bad they had screwed up. And so they decided that instead of giving up on the ideology, even though twice they had tried the ideology and the ideology didn’t work… instead of giving up on the ideology, they said, “Okay, Democrats have the (right) ideology… we want the ideology, but they’re racist. So we have to fight their racism.”

So, they took people from the North and they sent them to the South and they started a civil rights movement. The entire civil rights movement was a Democratic fight. There were no Republicans involved in that. That was a Democratic fight and you can point to one person and say, “he was a Republican…” but no, overall, that was a Democrat fight. That was Democrat on Democrat. That was black progressives who wanted to be Democrats taking on the racist segment of the Democratic party. It was a slugfest between Democrats. And there was no Republican involvement. And you can say, “these Republican senators voted for… “ these senators had to vote for it… what do you think? They’re gonna vote, no?

Where were all those (Republican) people telling the Republicans they “gotta get ‘the Lily White’ out of their party?” Nowhere. Were they actually engaging the black community? No. But they took a vote, right?

So, 1964. The Civil Rights bill passed. The black Democrats are happy, they now have their seat at the table. You can go look at the AFL-CIO seal –

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…it’s the black hand and the white hand – it symbolizes their merger. All these things took place. All these ideologies started to line up together and you see what they formed what you see now as “the new Democratic Party.” The Democratic Party of civil rights… which they are, because the civil rights people of the Democratic party beat the racist people of the Democratic party.

So now they won, and their party is now the party of civil rights.

Well, blacks have tried that for 60 years and that’s failed too. Again, blacks tried that for 60 years and that has failed too.

And what you see right now is Democrat on Democrat. No Republicans in that. It’s the same historical context down the line. Nothing has changed about the paradigm shift. There weren’t no Republicans there then, there aren’t any Republicans there now.

And as there is no competing ideology within these groups (black groups), as there’s no competing ideology towards this progressive push (among blacks) it metastasizes. It grows, it develops. It starts seeping out of black neighborhoods into white neighborhoods. It damn sure got deep into the federal government. And to the point where you have massive debts and a “war on poverty” that proves nothing, that’s fixed nothing… nothing… NOTHING!

And its all Democrats trying to appease other Democrats and what they initially designed as a systemic system that has nothing but racism since its implementation starting with Woodrow Wilson.

So, if you look at it in the totality of how Marxism got to America, how it was implemented, where it was started… how it has metastasized throughout the Democratic party and you’re still saying systemic racism doesn’t exist even though you had no presence in it, no part in it, no play in it… your ideology just ignored it all and let it grow until you see what you see now in the streets.

The answer to systemic racism is the same answer Booker T. Washington had all those years ago that successfully built Black Wall Street.

It is conservatism.

It is capitalism.

The part that Booker T. Washington got wrong is that you need policies and politicians to protect it once it is built! Because if you build it and you allow them to tax it to death and regulate it to death and use crony capitalism and abuse of governmental positions you will bleed the economic heart out of the black community (out of any community for that matter).

And if you want to say it is systemic racism… say its name, it is progressivism.

It is death, poverty and destruction. But can we please stop pretending it isn’t real.
 
The goal of progressivism is full blown Marxism.

If you are interested in understanding this, you might carefully read an explanation by Sonnie Johnson as to why we still have the black/white divide in the US and what has played a role in keeping this divide as it is -



The new fight is socialism vs capitalism.

To understand this – you have to understand how Marxism got into America… how it was implemented and how it was rooted.

And if you understand how Marxism got there, then you will understand what they are talking about when they say “systemic racism,” because they are the same thing.

The American form of Marxism is progressivism… the idea being, they don’t give it to you all at one time, they slowly progress society along towards their measures.

They knew that if they tried to push a socialistic agenda on the American people, that it would be rejected outright.

So their plan was to progressively insert more and more Marxism into the system until Marxism was the system and the people didn’t even realize that the switch had happened. That is the point of progressivism. If you are progressing, you are progressing towards “something”… and nobody arrives. What is your final destination point that you’re progressing toward?

And if do you ask them, they’ll say something like “equality.” And they mean it… equality of poverty that you find in Marxism.

So, if you do not understand the history of how we got here, you are not going to understand the fight we are currently in. Okay?

So, lets go through an abbreviated format of this history real quick – and again… everybody said, “we don’t wanna be black, we don’t wanna be white, we just want to be American.” OK, well this is American history. Just because it happens to focus on black people, as you said… black and white, we’re still American. Even though it is focused on black people it is still American history. And if you do not understand that it is still American history then you are missing the point of everything you are seeing happening in the streets right now.

This is how I told you it was gonna happen. This is how I predicted it. This is how I know that if we don’t make a change now, we are gonna lose our country. That’s it. Okay?

So – abbreviated version:

Straight off the plantation, right off of slavery, black people across the south began to build “Black Wall Street” under the tutelage of people like Booker T. Washington which this entire era after reconstruction is called the Booker T. Washington era. Okay?

They started to make “self-made millionaires” in every industry, in every different trade in everywhere that we could put our hands and we started to build Black Wall Street across the South. Now, while we were in this process of building Black Wall Street, the party that we fought in the Civil War… the party that was started cooperatively between blacks and whites, the Republican Party decided that “it” wanted to change course. It wanted to be “lily white.”

And no, that is not me making some kind of racial statement, that is literally what they called themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-white_movement

They called themselves “the Lily White Republicans.”

So, no… that is not “me” giving them that term. Okay?

So, they went about kicking black people out of the party. Very diligently, making sure that there were no black faces in high positions, because that way they could start to court more of the voters in the South. And their absence in black communities is what allowed a lot of the “Jim Crow” laws to continue to spread across the country and to remain unchallenged until you got the Civil Rights law of 1964… you can talk about the one in 1957, but the 1964 law actually had the impact. Right?

So, Republicans kicked black people out of the party. Democrats at the time during this Republican purge of black people that started in 1890s… the Democrats were in full racist mode, full KKK, they started to usher in people like Woodrow Wilson who would re-segregate the military, re-segregate the government… saying that segregation was in the best interests of both races. And even though he had black support, when those black supporters came to him and questioned him he would say, “if the negro feels like he made a mistake in voting for me he should change that.”

So now you have black people looking at two political parties (without a viable third as is the American way), and neither one of them wants their presence. Vocally, out front… neither one of them wants their presence.

Now during this time an ideology was spreading across Europe. The ideology of Marxism. And countries like Russia who liked communism set about trying to prove that communism was a better system than capitalism. And the way that they decided they would make that argument was using race as a guise. So, countries across Europe would invite American blacks to their country. And they would be treated like rock stars. They would be given first class treatment. It wasn’t because that’s how every citizen of that country was treated. It was because they wanted to give these black people the impression that under a Marxist system, “equality” could be found.

And of course, you might think otherwise, but at this time none of the real effects of communism, the real effects of Marxism had been seen yet. China hadn’t happened. Hitler hadn’t happened. None of the mass exterminations had happened yet.

It was just an experimental philosophy at the time. And these black people were like, “this sounds good.” We did they say it sounds good? They said it sounds good because both political parties at home were denying them access. So they went and they searched out an ideology that would get them to equality. The pushers of Marxism were happy to let them believe that.

These people came back… and they liked the ideas… matter of fact, they liked the ideas so much that is how Woodrow Wilson got his section of the black vote. Remember, Woodrow Wilson is the father of American progressivism. He’s the one they call, “the daddy of it all.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

https://whyy.org/articles/president-woodrow-wilsons-legacy-progressive-politics-and-racism/

So, these black people came back with this ideology and now their looking at Woodrow Wilson that he’s gonna be this generations Abraham Lincoln. He’s gonna be this generations savior to Black America. Why they were looking it him like that? Because they saw the ideology. The progressive ideology moving towards more government power, moving towards more government control, distribution of wealth. And in those things, unionization… “All of us come together… woo hoo!”

So, they supported Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson said, “OK, yeah… we’re progressive… let me show you how this stuff works… and segregated everything!

That was the beginning of America’s systemic racism.

That’s when it got into the federalized system as far as systemic racism is concerned. You can’t say it didn’t happen because its real, it did happen. It happened by a US president and the White House implemented itself into strategy. It was directly race based. Nothing about that can be denied. That democrat progressive Woodrow Wilson did all those things (while Lily White Republicans let it all happen too).

So, the first round of black intellectuals brought into progressivism, they got kicked in the teeth by Woodrow Wilson. So, then comes the second generation and they still want the ideology, they still want Marxism. They saw it that they just got screwed the first time in that it wasn’t equally applied to them.

So, here’s the second go-around with FDR and again, they give black support. They give black support for this progressive agenda. Again, a reason why you are talking about when did the parties switch sides, black people had been left out of the Republican party… so its not a matter of when they switched sides… they (the Republican party) switched sides back in the 1890s. Blacks had no side to go to because the Democrats hated blacks too! All that from the 1890s up to the 1920s.

So filling in a gap here from 1920 to FDR… then comes the renaissance, “the Harlem Renaissance”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Renaissance

https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/harlem-renaissance

What is a renaissance? A renaissance is a rebirth of intellect and culture simultaneously. You have to have both. So, the leading ideology before the renaissance was capitalism (in the black community up to about 1916/17 or so). Blacks were using capitalistic measures to build Black Wall Street.

https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Wall-Street-Renaissance-Greenwood/dp/1934645389

So, if you’re going to have an ideological rebirth of change, that means the capitalism has to go and some other ideology has to replace it. And it has to be replaced along with the culture. Hence you get the Harlem Renaissance.

Now you get this whole new infusion of Marxist ideology mixed with culture, mixed with art, mixed with poetry, mixed with music, mixed with short stories. Then you have this merger with that intellect with the culture and you get a Harlem Renaissance or, as they explain it, “changing the flag over Tuskegee” – remember Tuskegee was started by Booker T. Washington who was the first teacher (1881), who was a capitalist and a conservative… do it “yourselfer,” an entrepreneur, all of those things.

And this is when they “changed the flag over Tuskegee” – (1932)

https://www.google.com/books/editio...lag+over+tuskegee&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

And they threw their support behind FDR when FDR promises “a New Deal.”

“Okay, cool… we’re gonna get this new deal,”

Some (many) black people were left out of it. Their communities were “red lined” into districts where loans could not be made, investment could not be made. Over-regulation was rampant and yet they would put garbage companies near their neighborhoods. And listen to them talk about now, “environmental justice…” this is what they’re talking about. Because they really did it under progressive Democrat FDR and his New Deal. This is how they started to structure black communities.

On top of that, blacks were a new generation of wealth… remember they were straight off the plantation, they weren’t “old wealth,” “established wealth.”… not yet, but imagine if they had been left alone? But they weren’t. Under “the New Deal” taxes were tripled! So all of that money that black America had begun to accumulate was sucked right out of them by government via taxation. And then all these regulations were put into place from the federal level that prevented the regrowth. The economic system sucked the life blood out of Black America.

Remember, blacks were building it themselves. They were doing it themselves. They didn’t have a problem with that until the system of taxation got involved. Until the system of regulation got involved. Until the system of progressivism got involved (high taxes, massive regulation). And all this put blacks again on the track of systemic racism.

And this was the second time that the black intellectual had tricked by the Democrat progressives. Again, black people were excluded, and it was not a fair deal for blacks. It was a raw deal for blacks.

And they realized how bad they had screwed up. And so they decided that instead of giving up on the ideology, even though twice they had tried the ideology and the ideology didn’t work… instead of giving up on the ideology, they said, “Okay, Democrats have the (right) ideology… we want the ideology, but they’re racist. So we have to fight their racism.”

So, they took people from the North and they sent them to the South and they started a civil rights movement. The entire civil rights movement was a Democratic fight. There were no Republicans involved in that. That was a Democratic fight and you can point to one person and say, “he was a Republican…” but no, overall, that was a Democrat fight. That was Democrat on Democrat. That was black progressives who wanted to be Democrats taking on the racist segment of the Democratic party. It was a slugfest between Democrats. And there was no Republican involvement. And you can say, “these Republican senators voted for… “ these senators had to vote for it… what do you think? They’re gonna vote, no?

Where were all those (Republican) people telling the Republicans they “gotta get ‘the Lily White’ out of their party?” Nowhere. Were they actually engaging the black community? No. But they took a vote, right?

So, 1964. The Civil Rights bill passed. The black Democrats are happy, they now have their seat at the table. You can go look at the AFL-CIO seal –

View attachment 1658

…it’s the black hand and the white hand – it symbolizes their merger. All these things took place. All these ideologies started to line up together and you see what they formed what you see now as “the new Democratic Party.” The Democratic Party of civil rights… which they are, because the civil rights people of the Democratic party beat the racist people of the Democratic party.

So now they won, and their party is now the party of civil rights.

Well, blacks have tried that for 60 years and that’s failed too. Again, blacks tried that for 60 years and that has failed too.

And what you see right now is Democrat on Democrat. No Republicans in that. It’s the same historical context down the line. Nothing has changed about the paradigm shift. There weren’t no Republicans there then, there aren’t any Republicans there now.

And as there is no competing ideology within these groups (black groups), as there’s no competing ideology towards this progressive push (among blacks) it metastasizes. It grows, it develops. It starts seeping out of black neighborhoods into white neighborhoods. It damn sure got deep into the federal government. And to the point where you have massive debts and a “war on poverty” that proves nothing, that’s fixed nothing… nothing… NOTHING!

And its all Democrats trying to appease other Democrats and what they initially designed as a systemic system that has nothing but racism since its implementation starting with Woodrow Wilson.

So, if you look at it in the totality of how Marxism got to America, how it was implemented, where it was started… how it has metastasized throughout the Democratic party and you’re still saying systemic racism doesn’t exist even though you had no presence in it, no part in it, no play in it… your ideology just ignored it all and let it grow until you see what you see now in the streets.

The answer to systemic racism is the same answer Booker T. Washington had all those years ago that successfully built Black Wall Street.

It is conservatism.

It is capitalism.

The part that Booker T. Washington got wrong is that you need policies and politicians to protect it once it is built! Because if you build it and you allow them to tax it to death and regulate it to death and use crony capitalism and abuse of governmental positions you will bleed the economic heart out of the black community (out of any community for that matter).

And if you want to say it is systemic racism… say its name, it is progressivism.

It is death, poverty and destruction. But can we please stop pretending it isn’t real.
So what is your suggestion then? What is the answer?
 
So what is your suggestion then? What is the answer?
The goal of progressivism is full blown Marxism.

If you are interested in understanding this, you might carefully read an explanation by Sonnie Johnson as to why we still have the black/white divide in the US and what has played a role in keeping this divide as it is -



The new fight is socialism vs capitalism.

To understand this – you have to understand how Marxism got into America… how it was implemented and how it was rooted.

And if you understand how Marxism got there, then you will understand what they are talking about when they say “systemic racism,” because they are the same thing.

The American form of Marxism is progressivism… the idea being, they don’t give it to you all at one time, they slowly progress society along towards their measures.

They knew that if they tried to push a socialistic agenda on the American people, that it would be rejected outright.

So their plan was to progressively insert more and more Marxism into the system until Marxism was the system and the people didn’t even realize that the switch had happened. That is the point of progressivism. If you are progressing, you are progressing towards “something”… and nobody arrives. What is your final destination point that you’re progressing toward?

And if do you ask them, they’ll say something like “equality.” And they mean it… equality of poverty that you find in Marxism.

So, if you do not understand the history of how we got here, you are not going to understand the fight we are currently in. Okay?

So, lets go through an abbreviated format of this history real quick – and again… everybody said, “we don’t wanna be black, we don’t wanna be white, we just want to be American.” OK, well this is American history. Just because it happens to focus on black people, as you said… black and white, we’re still American. Even though it is focused on black people it is still American history. And if you do not understand that it is still American history then you are missing the point of everything you are seeing happening in the streets right now.

This is how I told you it was gonna happen. This is how I predicted it. This is how I know that if we don’t make a change now, we are gonna lose our country. That’s it. Okay?

So – abbreviated version:

Straight off the plantation, right off of slavery, black people across the south began to build “Black Wall Street” under the tutelage of people like Booker T. Washington which this entire era after reconstruction is called the Booker T. Washington era. Okay?

They started to make “self-made millionaires” in every industry, in every different trade in everywhere that we could put our hands and we started to build Black Wall Street across the South. Now, while we were in this process of building Black Wall Street, the party that we fought in the Civil War… the party that was started cooperatively between blacks and whites, the Republican Party decided that “it” wanted to change course. It wanted to be “lily white.”

And no, that is not me making some kind of racial statement, that is literally what they called themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-white_movement

They called themselves “the Lily White Republicans.”

So, no… that is not “me” giving them that term. Okay?

So, they went about kicking black people out of the party. Very diligently, making sure that there were no black faces in high positions, because that way they could start to court more of the voters in the South. And their absence in black communities is what allowed a lot of the “Jim Crow” laws to continue to spread across the country and to remain unchallenged until you got the Civil Rights law of 1964… you can talk about the one in 1957, but the 1964 law actually had the impact. Right?

So, Republicans kicked black people out of the party. Democrats at the time during this Republican purge of black people that started in 1890s… the Democrats were in full racist mode, full KKK, they started to usher in people like Woodrow Wilson who would re-segregate the military, re-segregate the government… saying that segregation was in the best interests of both races. And even though he had black support, when those black supporters came to him and questioned him he would say, “if the negro feels like he made a mistake in voting for me he should change that.”

So now you have black people looking at two political parties (without a viable third as is the American way), and neither one of them wants their presence. Vocally, out front… neither one of them wants their presence.

Now during this time an ideology was spreading across Europe. The ideology of Marxism. And countries like Russia who liked communism set about trying to prove that communism was a better system than capitalism. And the way that they decided they would make that argument was using race as a guise. So, countries across Europe would invite American blacks to their country. And they would be treated like rock stars. They would be given first class treatment. It wasn’t because that’s how every citizen of that country was treated. It was because they wanted to give these black people the impression that under a Marxist system, “equality” could be found.

And of course, you might think otherwise, but at this time none of the real effects of communism, the real effects of Marxism had been seen yet. China hadn’t happened. Hitler hadn’t happened. None of the mass exterminations had happened yet.

It was just an experimental philosophy at the time. And these black people were like, “this sounds good.” We did they say it sounds good? They said it sounds good because both political parties at home were denying them access. So they went and they searched out an ideology that would get them to equality. The pushers of Marxism were happy to let them believe that.

These people came back… and they liked the ideas… matter of fact, they liked the ideas so much that is how Woodrow Wilson got his section of the black vote. Remember, Woodrow Wilson is the father of American progressivism. He’s the one they call, “the daddy of it all.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

https://whyy.org/articles/president-woodrow-wilsons-legacy-progressive-politics-and-racism/

So, these black people came back with this ideology and now their looking at Woodrow Wilson that he’s gonna be this generations Abraham Lincoln. He’s gonna be this generations savior to Black America. Why they were looking it him like that? Because they saw the ideology. The progressive ideology moving towards more government power, moving towards more government control, distribution of wealth. And in those things, unionization… “All of us come together… woo hoo!”

So, they supported Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson said, “OK, yeah… we’re progressive… let me show you how this stuff works… and segregated everything!

That was the beginning of America’s systemic racism.

That’s when it got into the federalized system as far as systemic racism is concerned. You can’t say it didn’t happen because its real, it did happen. It happened by a US president and the White House implemented itself into strategy. It was directly race based. Nothing about that can be denied. That democrat progressive Woodrow Wilson did all those things (while Lily White Republicans let it all happen too).

So, the first round of black intellectuals brought into progressivism, they got kicked in the teeth by Woodrow Wilson. So, then comes the second generation and they still want the ideology, they still want Marxism. They saw it that they just got screwed the first time in that it wasn’t equally applied to them.

So, here’s the second go-around with FDR and again, they give black support. They give black support for this progressive agenda. Again, a reason why you are talking about when did the parties switch sides, black people had been left out of the Republican party… so its not a matter of when they switched sides… they (the Republican party) switched sides back in the 1890s. Blacks had no side to go to because the Democrats hated blacks too! All that from the 1890s up to the 1920s.

So filling in a gap here from 1920 to FDR… then comes the renaissance, “the Harlem Renaissance”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Renaissance

https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/harlem-renaissance

What is a renaissance? A renaissance is a rebirth of intellect and culture simultaneously. You have to have both. So, the leading ideology before the renaissance was capitalism (in the black community up to about 1916/17 or so). Blacks were using capitalistic measures to build Black Wall Street.

https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Wall-Street-Renaissance-Greenwood/dp/1934645389

So, if you’re going to have an ideological rebirth of change, that means the capitalism has to go and some other ideology has to replace it. And it has to be replaced along with the culture. Hence you get the Harlem Renaissance.

Now you get this whole new infusion of Marxist ideology mixed with culture, mixed with art, mixed with poetry, mixed with music, mixed with short stories. Then you have this merger with that intellect with the culture and you get a Harlem Renaissance or, as they explain it, “changing the flag over Tuskegee” – remember Tuskegee was started by Booker T. Washington who was the first teacher (1881), who was a capitalist and a conservative… do it “yourselfer,” an entrepreneur, all of those things.

And this is when they “changed the flag over Tuskegee” – (1932)

https://www.google.com/books/editio...lag+over+tuskegee&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

And they threw their support behind FDR when FDR promises “a New Deal.”

“Okay, cool… we’re gonna get this new deal,”

Some (many) black people were left out of it. Their communities were “red lined” into districts where loans could not be made, investment could not be made. Over-regulation was rampant and yet they would put garbage companies near their neighborhoods. And listen to them talk about now, “environmental justice…” this is what they’re talking about. Because they really did it under progressive Democrat FDR and his New Deal. This is how they started to structure black communities.

On top of that, blacks were a new generation of wealth… remember they were straight off the plantation, they weren’t “old wealth,” “established wealth.”… not yet, but imagine if they had been left alone? But they weren’t. Under “the New Deal” taxes were tripled! So all of that money that black America had begun to accumulate was sucked right out of them by government via taxation. And then all these regulations were put into place from the federal level that prevented the regrowth. The economic system sucked the life blood out of Black America.

Remember, blacks were building it themselves. They were doing it themselves. They didn’t have a problem with that until the system of taxation got involved. Until the system of regulation got involved. Until the system of progressivism got involved (high taxes, massive regulation). And all this put blacks again on the track of systemic racism.

And this was the second time that the black intellectual had tricked by the Democrat progressives. Again, black people were excluded, and it was not a fair deal for blacks. It was a raw deal for blacks.

And they realized how bad they had screwed up. And so they decided that instead of giving up on the ideology, even though twice they had tried the ideology and the ideology didn’t work… instead of giving up on the ideology, they said, “Okay, Democrats have the (right) ideology… we want the ideology, but they’re racist. So we have to fight their racism.”

So, they took people from the North and they sent them to the South and they started a civil rights movement. The entire civil rights movement was a Democratic fight. There were no Republicans involved in that. That was a Democratic fight and you can point to one person and say, “he was a Republican…” but no, overall, that was a Democrat fight. That was Democrat on Democrat. That was black progressives who wanted to be Democrats taking on the racist segment of the Democratic party. It was a slugfest between Democrats. And there was no Republican involvement. And you can say, “these Republican senators voted for… “ these senators had to vote for it… what do you think? They’re gonna vote, no?

Where were all those (Republican) people telling the Republicans they “gotta get ‘the Lily White’ out of their party?” Nowhere. Were they actually engaging the black community? No. But they took a vote, right?

So, 1964. The Civil Rights bill passed. The black Democrats are happy, they now have their seat at the table. You can go look at the AFL-CIO seal –

View attachment 1658

…it’s the black hand and the white hand – it symbolizes their merger. All these things took place. All these ideologies started to line up together and you see what they formed what you see now as “the new Democratic Party.” The Democratic Party of civil rights… which they are, because the civil rights people of the Democratic party beat the racist people of the Democratic party.

So now they won, and their party is now the party of civil rights.

Well, blacks have tried that for 60 years and that’s failed too. Again, blacks tried that for 60 years and that has failed too.

And what you see right now is Democrat on Democrat. No Republicans in that. It’s the same historical context down the line. Nothing has changed about the paradigm shift. There weren’t no Republicans there then, there aren’t any Republicans there now.

And as there is no competing ideology within these groups (black groups), as there’s no competing ideology towards this progressive push (among blacks) it metastasizes. It grows, it develops. It starts seeping out of black neighborhoods into white neighborhoods. It damn sure got deep into the federal government. And to the point where you have massive debts and a “war on poverty” that proves nothing, that’s fixed nothing… nothing… NOTHING!

And its all Democrats trying to appease other Democrats and what they initially designed as a systemic system that has nothing but racism since its implementation starting with Woodrow Wilson.

So, if you look at it in the totality of how Marxism got to America, how it was implemented, where it was started… how it has metastasized throughout the Democratic party and you’re still saying systemic racism doesn’t exist even though you had no presence in it, no part in it, no play in it… your ideology just ignored it all and let it grow until you see what you see now in the streets.

The answer to systemic racism is the same answer Booker T. Washington had all those years ago that successfully built Black Wall Street.

It is conservatism.

It is capitalism.

The part that Booker T. Washington got wrong is that you need policies and politicians to protect it once it is built! Because if you build it and you allow them to tax it to death and regulate it to death and use crony capitalism and abuse of governmental positions you will bleed the economic heart out of the black community (out of any community for that matter).

And if you want to say it is systemic racism… say its name, it is progressivism.

It is death, poverty and destruction. But can we please stop pretending it isn’t real.
Trump is the answer? You think Biden will bring about Marxism??? That's a stretch considering he's as corporate as it gets. Democrats don't want real change.
 
So what is your suggestion then? What is the answer?
If you are asking me about the black/white issue... I have some ideas. They are bold.

I have been thinking about this all day and IMO it starts with an acknowledgement of the real, truthful history of black Americans. A full, all peoples. all parties acknowledgment and admission of the true history.

Because with that might come a real, true understanding of the seriously deep hole the black Americans have to climb out of. There's generational psychological trauma that all our ancestors and many of us alive today have participated in that has been perpetrated on African Americans. Why that is so important to understand, to accept, to feel as so, so true deep in all our hearts, is because if we all want to resolve this problem... and understand, it wouldn't be a resolution for the blacks alone, it would be for us all... but if we really want to solve it and solve it in short order, there has to be a united effort, by all participants, organizations and government, to take on the challenge which will appear to some as unfair to the rest of us, but it has to be done.

I would form a full spectrum commission of real people that represent a broad spectrum of every aspect of American society excluding - the following - zero politicians, zero lobbyists, zero representatives of special interest groups... and have them ready to work with a subdivision within this commission which is representative of the black community...

So, I would start with a serious commission of real black people, not those who generate their wealth from the political scene and no religious leaders - just regular folk... Zero politicians, zero lobbyists, zero representatives of special interest groups... but real black people at all levels of their community's economic spectrum... and that they come up with sets of proposals, real proposals, real plans, starting with first and foremost, a complete "safety zone" for the most down trodden in the black community. Just get them off the streets, off the cycle of lousy job, no job, despair and addictions to alcohol/substances... get them all a basic, safe housing situation, food to eat, clothes, and take all the pressure off... offer counseling, if they want religion, make sure they have access... but give them every reason to leave the streets, leave the hopeless life... give them hope.

And that's where education comes in. And of course, that is far easier to do for the young in these situations, and that has to be understood... but you have to take care of everyone. And so there has to be a serious effort to ensure black Americans have a accelerated and exaggerated access to this opportunity. Because they are also dealing with the generational trauma and dealing with the promises broken over and over and over and over.

For higher education, American blacks most be given a greater percentage of scholarship opportunities, a greater amount of financial aid, a bit less stringent academic set of standards because they are also dealing with the generational trauma and that has to be taken into consideration in every one of these aspects of the solution process.

And you ensure black Americans have, for at least a generation if not two, exceptional access to funding for business opportunities, for achievement opportunities... not equal but enhanced. Because, again, the hole they have to dig out of needs that extra hand and we have to give it to them.

And most of all, we have to help each and every living American black an opportunity to unite with their family they may have lost touch with over the years... that somehow family, once again, can be given the chance to do what it has wonders to do when families are able to hold together.

And you have to not kid yourself that the recent prison reforms are any good for the black community because the fact is that the reforms do not help those who are in prison related to violent crimes. This is a big one, because if we did all the rest, over the years, the percentage representation of blacks in prison for violent crimes will go down... way down, but that does nothing for the blacks in prison now for violent crimes. There has to be a program that provides a true pathway to regaining self dignity and freedom and a life waiting for them on the outside - all three have to be done.

Once the black representation comes up with their full spectrum plan, it is discussed with the full representation and finalized and then submitted to all relevant parties who will be needed to fund the plan and to provide all that each type of representative could provide to make sure we, America, do not fail black Americans and ourselves. Representaives are various businesses that could provide training for jobs at special funding rates and with special treatment (again, understanding the generational across the race trauma) so that as many can succeed as possible.

Government works with private industry and especially small businesses to ensure the funding is there and that everyone steps up and does their part.

Will this cost tax payers a ton of money for awhile? Of course. But two points - a,) You can't pretend the history didn't happen and b.) What will be the cost if we don't.

This is the beginning of a true apology. An American apology. Not a 'white people' apologizing to black people as much as some might wish it to be. It can't be that because if it is, then the idea of America was never real, it was never even a dream... it was all bullshit. This would be an American apology made good to the black Americans that are owed the apology.

And this is how America achieves atonement.

There's my dream solution, Chris7.
 
Until recently, the schism between liberal and conservative ideologies was an irritation. Now, I see it has the potential to be an existential threat. As such, it must be addressed. I write this at two thirty in the morning of June 6, 2020, one week after riots started in dozens of major cities across America. Those disturbances are ongoing to this very moment, according to a quick scan of the news. The thought of these events has kept me up all of this night and the several nights that preceded it. The reason is that I now realize that the principal demand made by the protesters, “justice for George Floyd”, is a lie. If that is what they wanted, they would have gone home as soon as the four officers connected to his death were fired and arrested on murder charges. That is how justice works in this country. Clearly, the protesters wanted something else.

They could argue that they wanted “systemic racism” eliminated, though if such a problem were real, it could not possibly be dealt with before rioters burned down every major city in the country, thus making the exercise a destructive waste of time. A Pyrrhic victory is the most they could accomplish but that isn’t an accomplishment to be proud of. They could say that they want to see leaders in government step forward and accept that systemic racism is a real problem and commit to eradicate it. However, many people in positions of authority have already done as much. Again, this is not what the protesters are looking for. Almost as soon as the protests began, they had the dictionary definition of “justice for George Floyd”, at least, so far as is allowed by our constitution, and the further promise to reform The police departments of our nation. And yet, they kept protesting.

In reality, they couldn’t possibly be asking for real justice of any kind. If they cared about that, they wouldn’t have formed themselves into an unruly mob, looted stores, burned them to the ground, assaulted innocent passers-by, and murdered strangers. These are all inherently unrighteous actions that are antithetical to the ideals of justice. The mob was there to threaten, harass, destroy, and kill. The proof is that they did all of these things. Although no ropes were used, in an irony lost on its participants, the protests had become a lynch mob. Did “justice for George Floyd” mean the immediate execution of the four officers? Would that abate the blood-thirst of the mob? Or would they continue to wreak havoc until some other goal was achieved?

George Floyd is an unlikely martyr whose only two virtues may have been that his skin was dark and that he died while resisting arrest. He had served time in prison for armed robbery, multiple drug-related offenses, and a particularly heinous home invasion robbery wherein he and five other men overpowered a pregnant woman at gunpoint, threatened her life and that of her unborn child, and robbed her house. The woman, for the record, was an African American, like Floyd. It isn’t often that people gather in large crowds and riot for the sake of a criminal, to see those responsible for his death murdered as retribution. Traditionally, a criminal murders someone who is innocent, and then a lynch mob forms to try, convict, and punish the person responsible.

In Floyd’s case, while his past might be relevant to the reason why he was arrested and subsequently restrained, his death in the custody of four police officers is seen as a cause celebre' meant to condemn the police in general. Like Trayvon Williams and other criminals before him, riots broke out for the express purpose of defying law and order, ostensibly to prevent any other black criminals from being accidentally killed while committing crimes. If successful, the anarchy of these riots would lead to only more anarchy. But as bad as the riots are, that isn’t the worst of it. The worst part is the support rioters have received from otherwise well-meaning people who are too afraid, too brain-washed, or too strategically inept to see that the demands for justice are unfounded, unjustified, dangerous, and will ultimately lead to their mental enslavement as the emotional and moral inferiors to those who claim the moral high ground while simultaneously looting, burning, and killing.

The dangers posed by liberalism are many. The danger created by failing to oppose liberalism is to see all of our worst fears realized within our lifetimes, in our country, in our homes, affecting us and our children for years, or worse, generations. Revolutions such as that sought by American liberals have occurred many times over the centuries. In revolutionary France, the Communist revolutions in Russia and China, Marxist revolutions in Cuba, Latin America, and most recently, Venezuela. We cannot afford to let it happen here, and must not be passive in the face of liberal aggression. It must be resisted, overcome, and eliminated as a serious threat.
I like how you're fear mongering here..most of the protests were peaceful.
 
Trump is the answer? You think Biden will bring about Marxism??? That's a stretch considering he's as corporate as it gets. Democrats don't want real change.
You really aren't paying attention Chris7. For one, "Biden" is a place holder... The progressive wing of the Democrat party has all but taken over - just watch and see if he wins. In fact, he'll probably be out of office in short order anyways due to medical reasons. Just watch if he wins. This country will go so hard left, it will be forever lost.
 
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