Trump Consciousness

[Jim_Smith]

But my strategy firm has also done work for the Chinese as well. They are not the bad guys.

I'm jumping into the middle of this thread, I haven't read every post, I'm sorry if I am out of context but I have to ask:

Which Chinese are not the bad guys?

Chinese fentanyl smuggling is killing 29,000 Americans a year and the Chinese government won't stop it because it is part of a deliberate strategy to harm the US.

China has been waging an economic war against the US for decades - using underhanded tactics for their economic gain to the detriment of the US - stealing US intellectual property and maintaining unfair trade regulations.

What do you think the Chinese bought with the 1.5 billion dollars they gave to Biden's son?

Do you think impeaching their greatest economic threat, and someone who has spearheaded the US fight against the opioid crisis could be a quid pro quo?

There are many nice Chinese people. But as in every culture, there are some bad ones too.

 

[Jim_Smith]

I have read about various cases of social unrest in the middle ages in Europe or at other times in other countries when people believed absurd rumors and rioted or went crazy in various ways.

I think we are seeing the same thing now in the US where you have two groups of people who see reality so differently. We have written laws but we can't even agree on what is legal and what is not.

We have not progressed as much as we think.

 

[LetsEat]

the Chinese government won't stop it because it is part of a deliberate strategy to harm the US

This is not substantiated by the source you linked, instead "In the end, a person can only conclude the PRC government is incompetent or corrupt. Perhaps it is pushing fentanyl on purpose and making a large profit. Maybe all of this is true", is the conclusion.

 

[The Ethical Skeptic]

Chinese fentanyl smuggling is killing 29,000 Americans a year and the Chinese government won't stop it because it is part of a deliberate strategy to harm the US.

Yes, we lost a neighbor son to fentanyl a couple months ago - the heroin he was sold was crudely mixed by its distributor. From the Department of Justice Sept 2018 Report on China and Fentanyl

From China, these substances are shipped primarily through express consignment carriers or international mail directly to the United States, or, alternatively, shipped directly to transnational criminal organizations (TCO) in Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean. Once in the Western Hemisphere, fentanyl or its analogues are prepared for mixing into the heroin supply, other non-opioid drugs, or pressed into a tablet form, and then moved into the illicit U.S. market where demand for prescription opioids and heroin remains at epidemic proportions. ​

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This is the same network which has always existed. Fentanyl cannot be manufactured just anywhere - and as well, in China, high tech production costs can be developed under economies of scale which cannot be matched elsewhere. China supplies 70% of the world's pharmaceuticals for this reason. Fentanyl is made through tightly controlled processes, much more so than the average pharmaceutical - as this drug in particular (pardon the pun) requires a high tech laminar-negative pressure controlled workspace - even breathing or getting it on your skin can make one sick. There are few countries which can make such high tech products at a low cost. So, China is going to make the preponderance of this drug - but this is an economic argument, and not a recent strategy of the Triads, who have been a principal source of opiates to the World since the 18th century anyway.

The culpable party is the drug network which has operated unchecked in the US for decades. They are the criminal element in the value chain here. They fund a specific political party, which conceals this income by substitutions-in-kind which arise as derivates inside the European Paper Trading Market. That political party then is supported by overseas contributions, payroll and backing from European private parties who benefit from this paper trading. That party then conducts a form of Nelsonian knowledge concerning these operations in the US, and as well the laundering of this supply into major pharmaceutical companies. This party has allowed the pharmaceutical industry to run slip-shod over American citizens, with extraordinary amounts of lobbying power. The harm enacted by this group touches 3 out of every 4 persons in the US with extraordinary levels of suffering, be it from cognitive injury/impairment, to overdoses, to skyrocketing healthcare costs, to addiction, to over-billing and mis- and mal-diagnosis in order to push more prescriptions/mandatory administerings.

Then they act as if they are the compassionate party. I am a moderate and have voted about 40% on that side of the aisle. But this is one of the most evil things a person/politico can do - especially in that they KNOW both how this works, and the fact that they are benefitting from it - to benefit from the suffering of your own citizens - via this laundered money network - this is a worse form of evil than all US wars ever fought, combined, by a factor of 50 to 1.

It is darkness wearing the costume of good.

 

[The Ethical Skeptic]

China has been waging an economic war against the US for decades - using underhanded tactics for their economic gain to the detriment of the US - stealing US intellectual property and maintaining unfair trade regulations.

I am not going to say how I was involved here - but my firm performed some of the key analyses which demonstrated to China that their practices in the promotion of products was harming their customer countries, through a form of incentivized product dumping, which was economically unhealthy. These meetings and analyses are not on the web - and were not held at formal known events or known locations, so you will not find them anywhere.

I presented this to the very highest level in China in a series of meetings. They were very tense meetings - and I had to have training on Chinese business etiquette - and rehearse each presentation over 20 times - with test audiences. It was sponsored by a multi-national firm out of Europe who searched for 18 months to find the right resource to do the study. The Chinese were respectful and quiet. They went away for 8 months while the Ministry of Trade replicated the study my team had done.

They came back to us at an economic summit and said 'We have found that you are principally correct. We are changing the ways in which companies practice tiered incentives into the US and European nations. It will take some time - but minds are changing.' I shook hands with the Minister, and smiled. It was a very small contribution but my hope is that it would help stem the loss of jobs in the US and Europe. The Chinese were not opposed to this. They understand that the economic health of the world is critical, and that they are a partner in this with everyone.

Were they play-acting? The people I was in touch with, were not.

 

[Jim_Smith]

 

[David Bailey]

I still follow things on Fox News to some extent, and to me the Democrats are behaving very strangely. It is as though they are driven close to insanity by President Trump. Why would they want to start an impeachment process before the evidence of what went on had come out? I almost begin to wonder if something non-physical is driving this irrationality, or is it just that if the media doesn't apply any brakes, politicians just go crazy?

David

 

[north]

I still follow things on Fox News to some extent, and to me the Democrats are behaving very strangely. It is as though they are driven close to insanity by President Trump. Why would they want to start an impeachment process before the evidence of what went on had come out?

David

Prior to impeachment proceedings there is an investigation - this what is currently underway:

At the federal level, the impeachment process is a three-step procedure.

• First, the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The facts that led to impeachment of Bill Clinton were first discovered in the course of an investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.
• Second, the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".
• Third, the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate who is also the Vice President of the United States. Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote. The result of conviction is removal from office.

• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

Joseph Maguire, the acting director of National Intelligence, faced scrutiny Thursday from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle as he testified before the House Intelligence Committee.
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Schiff also pressed Maguire on whether he thought the whistleblower is a "political hack," quoting name-calling from Trump.
Trump last week derided the whistleblower as a "political hack" and said his communication with a foreign leader is a "ridiculous story."
“You don’t believe the whistleblower is a political hack, do you director," Schiff said.
“I believe the whistle-blower is operating in good faith," he said, adding the whistleblower "has followed the law.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-moments-joseph-maguire-testimony/3774069002/

 

[Jim_Smith]

 

[Jim_Smith]

Were they play-acting? The people I was in touch with, were not.

You were there so you would be the best judge. I'll just point out that people who don't lie sometimes have a hard time recognizing the fact that some people do lie and lie convincingly. Maybe they even mean it when they are saying it, they want to please the other person or they want their good opinion, but later it may be just too much bother to live up to their statements. Actions speak louder more honestly than words.

I think people from the West have a hard time understanding Chinese people because some of the fundamental assumptions about what is right and wrong are not the same in the two cultures. In the US, our morality comes from the Judeo-Christian tradition. The Chinese do not have that tradition. In their tradition the possibility of starvation was a daily reality for hundreds of millions of people for many generations. It resulted in a different opinion about what is right and wrong and what is good and what is bad.

This video (below) is about tourist scams in China. The speaker has lived in China and married a Chinese woman. He makes a general statement about about Chinese culture at 5:00. He explains it in terms of shopping but he says it is "baked into Chinese society". It is that in China it is normal to try to take advantage of the other person if you can. They don't see that as bad, it is just their culture. I would add that in a poor country where starvation was a real possibility for the majority of the people, your personal responsibility is to look out for yourself and your family and what we consider "bad" is in that situation "good". In the West we have a totally different morality and we often wrongly assume people all over the world are the same. We see a friendly guy in a western suit and project our values into that person. We assume the best in others because we want to live in a world like that or because we don't know any better.

5:00:

Scamming to some degree or the other is more or less baked into Chinese society. And I'm not trying to sound mean or or weird it's just part of the mentality here. And that is for instance, if I walked into a small shop over here, or if I go to a wet market and I'm buying some vegetables, they will always be this kind of give and take try to make a buck here and there kind of mentality. If somebody can make a little bit of money they will make a little bit of money off of you and it's actually got a name here in china which I've said before in some of my other videos but there's an idiom which is "Néng piàn jiù piàn" which just means "If you can cheat, then cheat".​

Here is another video about scams where he genearlizes it to Chinse culture at 14:55 he says, If you get scammed, it's your fault for getting scammed, that's just the way China works.

14:55
If you do go and complain to the police and stuff the police are in on it. They get paid kickbacks and stuff. It's not the police's fault. That's just the way China works. So it's your fault for being scammed.

 

[Jim_Smith]

In the US we see all people in the world as the same, and we care about the welfare of people in other countries. This comes from Christianity where everyone is equal in the eyes of God. The Chinese do not have this tradition. You can get insight into Chinese attitudes to international relations by extrapolating from their attitudes to their family. In China people are insular and are focused on the well being of their family and have little concern for the problems of strangers. In international relations, their family is their nation, and we in the US are strangers.

~ 2:49

China's society has evolved it's evolved to a point where people are very insular in other words you care about yourself and then you care about your close family that's about it and by care about yourself I mean you really are incredibly selfish when you see somebody doing something bad so it's like not my business I don't want to get into trouble I'm just gonna carry on on my merry way I'm not gonna care about them​

Many people criticize president Trump for caring more about Americans than he cares for people in other countries. Trump understands that those people in other countries are not playing by the same rules that we are and will try to take advantage of us whenever they can. Trump is only trying to protect Americans from people who are taking advantage of us.

Trump's America first policy is what every other country does for their own citizens. In the US we have been rebuilding the rest of the world since the end of WWII and we haven't adjusted to the fact that those countries are now rebuilt, perfectly able to take care of themselves, and are now taking advantage of our good will and belief in fairness.

 

[Jim_Smith]

~ 0:58
I noticed a pickpocket you know reaching into the pocket of a young lady in front of me with some medical tweezers to pull out her cell phone. He was already halfway done so I started to shout in Chinese you know "thief thief". And the guy was taken aback. It was as if he wasn't expecting anyone to say anything and so he backed off and hid his tweezers and then just disappeared. And the young lady was very appreciative she said "thank you" no she was very very appreciative. She said "thank you thank you thank you" in Chinese. But the thing is when I went to go and tell my co-workers you know I got to work and I was like "hey I just stopped a pickpocket from stealing a phone from a from a young girl outside". They were all horrified they were like "What are you doing? Don't do that, don't ever do that again!" I was like what an earth is wrong with you people why why should I not help someone who needs help like that and they were like "no no" ...


Here is another video that shows how Chinese culture is different from ours. Expensive apartment buildings in posh neighborhoods are falling apart.

any kind of
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shared area community area will always
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degrade because people don't want to
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take responsibility for anything that
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isn't theirs

 

[Jim_Smith]

I still follow things on Fox News to some extent, and to me the Democrats are behaving very strangely. It is as though they are driven close to insanity by President Trump. Why would they want to start an impeachment process before the evidence of what went on had come out? I almost begin to wonder if something non-physical is driving this irrationality, or is it just that if the media doesn't apply any brakes, politicians just go crazy?

David

I don't know if it is available on TV internationally, but you might also like OANN, One America News Netowrk. They are less "sensational" than Fox. They are trying to be more objective, but I think most people would consider them to have a conservative outlook.

https://www.oann.com

And there's News Today TV. NTDTV, they have two news broadcasts each day on their web site. It is produced by the The Epoch Times - a news organization started by Chinese Expatriots "who fled communism" and so not suprisingly has an editorial policy that is right leaning, in line with US conservative's views.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-ntdtv

The problem with objective news reporting is that it is boring. It doesn't give the viewer that hit of dopamine that keeps them coming back for more.

 

[The Ethical Skeptic]

If you do go and complain to the police and stuff the police are in on it. They get paid kickbacks and stuff. It's not the police's fault. That's just the way China works. So it's your fault for being scammed.

All true Jim (especially the 'decay' economic argument he presents, see below),

This is the way life is in India, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, ECOWAS nations of Africa, Rift East Africa, Caribbean, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Bangladesh, Nigeria, South Africa, and on and on....

I used contacts to have a 'Nigerian Business Man' scammer arrested for taking advantage of a naive friend in Europe with a lot of money. A Nigerian official called with the scammer to have him apologize to me and the friend. He said basically, "But they told us that you Americans like to be competitive in deals, that capitalism is about beating the next man - that you find the match of wits appealing and appreciate when someone is that clever when they beat you out of some money, and that you are so rich that it does not matter to you anyway. You just enjoy taking from people, and want to encourage others to do the same." In other words, it is with the tacit (taught) permission of the victim that they are being stolen from.

Yes, this is the really stupid shit our third world Bolivar and socialist friends have been teaching the world about us for some time. Similar teaching exists all over the globe - and often accompanies this idiotic and ignorant version of capitalism:

1. Thinking that capital is money​

2. Thinking that capital is the same thing as wealth​

3. Thinking that capital is something you take/steal/extract from others​

4. Thinking that capital is something you hoard to show success​

and finally, once everyone has lied to each other sufficiently...​

5. Mandating that taxes and stealing back are how you combat capital​

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Cronies and mafias think this, yes. But cronyism/mafia-ism are the gateway drug to socialism (socialism is simply when one mafia has taken over in finality) - which is where all five of these hellish principles DO then become reality.

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Capital is a stream of value which is matched equal-and-opposite by an investment or return of net margin, arrayed so as to mitigate 1. Corruption, 2. Bureaucracy/Monism, 3. Negative Efficiency (decay), and finally 4. Inflation (any form of mismatch in the above 'equal-and-opposite' principle). It is not an economic system. It is an economic law.

It ensures that 'equality' is not exercised by the judgement of one group or person (despotism), rather - the mechanisms of value provision.

China has never been taught these things. In my presentations, the Chinese would come up to me and explain in broken English, that this is the 'first time I have ever heard such ideas, thank you.'

 

[Jim_Smith]

I used contacts to have a 'Nigerian Business Man' scammer arrested for taking advantage of a naive friend in Europe with a lot of money. A Nigerian official called with the scammer to have him apologize to me and the friend. He said basically ....

Maybe I am cynical, but I would not believe a scammer being forced to apologise by the police.

Did your friend get any money back?

 

[David Bailey]

Prior to impeachment proceedings there is an investigation - this what is currently underway:

Yes but there is still an unseemly haste to this - particularly after the Mueller report found nothing, and the DNC seems to have had a hand in creating a fake Russia dossier, and after the equally unseemly attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh .

Before you go to an inquiry, you surely want to define the crime a bit more clearly. I feel the logic of this is something like:

1) They hate Donald Trump because he won the 2016 election, so he must have cheated.

2) They try to get him out by a phoney Russia collusion case.

3) That failed, so the next best tactic is to scrutinize everything he does to try to find some grounds - anything - to try to impeach him.

4) The best they come up with is a scandal that primarily smears Joe Biden, but their hatred of the president knows no bounds!

Do you think that if someone with enough resources really, really wanted to find you (or me, or anyone) guilty of an offence, they couldn't come up with something. However it would need a 2/3 vote in the senate, so it will ultimately go nowhere, and the US people will decide. I think this will put off a lot of Democratic voters, whether or not it ever gets to the senate.

Would you want a party in power that is so consumed by hate?

David

 

[Eric Newhill]

Yes but there is still an unseemly haste to this - particularly after the Mueller report found nothing, and the DNC seems to have had a hand in creating a fake Russia dossier, and after the equally unseemly attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh .

Before you go to an inquiry, you surely want to define the crime a bit more clearly. I feel the logic of this is something like:

1) They hate Donald Trump because he won the 2016 election, so he must have cheated.

2) They try to get him out by a phoney Russia collusion case.

3) That failed, so the next best tactic is to scrutinize everything he does to try to find some grounds - anything - to try to impeach him.

4) The best they come up with is a scandal that primarily smears Joe Biden, but their hatred of the president knows no bounds!

Do you think that if someone with enough resources really, really wanted to find you (or me, or anyone) guilty of an offence, they couldn't come up with something. However it would need a 2/3 vote in the senate, so it will ultimately go nowhere, and the US people will decide. I think this will put off a lot of Democratic voters, whether or not it ever gets to the senate.

Would you want a party in power that is so consumed by hate?

David

They are going to be sad and surprised when 2 million well armed "deplorables" march on Washington DC and drag them out and shoot them - drag them out of the Capitol, out of Langley, out of the DOJ, etc.

meanwhile cell towers and key junctures of the power grid go down. Bottle necks for the flow of fuel and food to DC and other liberal bastions are blown and covered by snipers and IEDs, etc. ..truckers refuse to truck the food and fuel.

I hope to be in command of at least a battalion. I am actually beginning to look forward to just getting this over with.

 

[The Ethical Skeptic]

Maybe I am cynical, but I would not believe a scammer being forced to apologise by the police.

Did your friend get any money back?

Yes, absolutely.

I do strategy for some of these nations. I was physically there, and in the same room with the head of state, physically in the government building. The forged documents, deeds and emails were easy enough to trace, and this group used some documents-in-common. Basically a claim to own property, which was forged all the way to the deeds office.

However yes, if I was sitting in an English speaking country in a cubicle or a basement - I would be cynical about ANYTHING a person residing in such knew about the World.

 

[Vortex]

Craig Murray has something interesting to say concerning the recent Democrats' hollow, tragicomical, doomed-to-fail attempt to impeach Trump (I really don't know what to think about them now... Are they really THAT stupid?! Why can't they understand that they are shooting themselves in the leg once again, right after the Russiagate conspiracy theory has pitifully crumbled to dust?!):

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/heroes-villains-and-establishment-hypocrisy/

 

[David Bailey]

meanwhile cell towers and key junctures of the power grid go down. Bottle necks for the flow of fuel and food to DC and other liberal bastions are blown and covered by snipers and IEDs, etc. ..truckers refuse to truck the food and fuel.

I hope to be in command of at least a battalion. I am actually beginning to look forward to just getting this over with.

I sure hope it will not get to that, but I'd like to see the whole swamp investigated, and every member get an appropriate sentence in a tough US jail.

I am just a bit concerned that the Epstein investigation is going cold.

David