That doesn't sound like a typical comp. sci. crowd... You are "crazy", but only relative to a consensus reality which itself is horribly skewed. Just like vegans are "extremists" only relative to a consensus reality in which it is "normal" and "acceptable" to take an innocent, peaceable animal, forcibly load it onto a truck, knowing or sensing its ultimate fate, then transport it a seemingly interminable distance with a butcher's knife hanging over its throat, to eventually be roughly manhandled off that same truck, prodded with electric batons into a place of ghastly, unimaginable horror, slipping on blood, to then have its throat slit, sometimes in full or partial consciousness due to the ineffectiveness of the stun gun, and to finally be cut apart with a knife, sometimes in full or partial consciousness. Yes, I changed the subject. Yes, it's a totally valid change of subject: the violation of the rights/sanctity of animals is the biggest moral problem in the world today, so anywhere is valid to bring up this subject. But if a moderator asks me to, I'll move these comments to a new thread.