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"What do you think happens after death to people who commit suicide?"
I think suicide will not solve anything because you are an immortal spirit and killing your body won't change anything, you will still exist as a spirit, and you might have to reincarnate and live through it all again and continue where you left off.
"I already feel like it's what I should do"
If you are contemplating suicide there is probably something abnormal biochemically that affects the brain so you shouldn't trust your judgment in that respect.
Suicide and the Afterlife.
http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/suicide
In the vast majority of cases, people kill themselves due to abnormal brain chemistry.
Spirits who need healing or other types of help when they cross over get the help they need in the afterlife.
Someone who is grieving for a suicide victim, or a suicide victim who has just crossed over, needs to understand there is no special punishment assigned to suicide victims in the afterlife.
Someone who is contemplating suicide needs to understand that suicide won't solve anything because you are an immortal spirit and it is impossible to really kill yourself. Furthermore, you can't escape the consequences of your actions by killing yourself.
Here are excerpts from someone who had an NDE after attempting suicide:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide03.html
"I came into the presence of a brilliant, wonderfully warm and loving Light. While I was in the presence of this Light I was shown a review of my life and all the events that brought me to that point."
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"I was given the choice of remaining with the light, provided I return later to the physical world and experience all that brought me to the point of shooting myself, or I could return now and pick up my life where it was. I was told that I would eventually have the family and love I so desperately yearned for."
http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2012/09/skepticism-big-lie-activist-skeptics.html
Lessons from the Light by Kenneth Ring and Evelyn Elsaesser. The link goes to a page in the book that describes how knowledge of Near Death Experiences deters suicide.
As far as I know, the first clinician to make use of NDE material in this context was a New York psychologist named John McDonagh. In 1979, he presented a paper at a psychological convention that described his success with several suicidal patients using a device he called "NDE bibliotherapy." His "technique" was actually little more than having his patients read some relevant passages from Raymond Moody's book, Reflections on Life after Life, after which the therapist and his patient would discuss its implicatins for the latter's own situation. McDonagh reports that such an approach was generally quite successful not only in reducing suicidal thoughts but also in preventing the deed altogether.
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Since McDonagh's pioneering efforts, other clinicians knowledgeable about the NDE who have had the opportunity to counsel suicidal patients have also reported similar success. Perhaps the most notable of these therapists is Bruce Greyson, a psychiatrist now at the University of Virginia, whose specialty as a clinician has been suicidology. He is also the author of a classic paper on NDEs and suicide which the specialist may wish to consult for tis therapeutic implications. (14)
Quite apart form the clinicians who have developed this form of what we migh call "NDE-assisted therapy," I can draw upon my own personal experience here to provide additional evidence of how the NDE has helped to deter suicide. The following case ...
Evidence for the afterlife
http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/summary_of_evidence
http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/p/62014-...-afterlife.html#articles_by_subject_afterlife
Psychologists who specialize in spiritual issues:
http://forum.mind-energy.net/forum/...-experience-with-psychic-and-spiritual-issues
I'm curious, because I'm considering suicide. Well, actually, it's more like I'm hoping I can work up the courage to finally do it, because I already feel like it's what I should do. I figured I'd have a good chance of getting some informed opinions here.
I'm curious, because I'm considering suicide. Well, actually, it's more like I'm hoping I can work up the courage to finally do it, because I already feel like it's what I should do. I figured I'd have a good chance of getting some informed opinions here.
Please call someone or get help. Suicide is not the answer.
The short version is that, for various reasons, I was robbed of my youth, and I know with absolute certainty that I will be miserable for the rest of my life. Despite my physical age, I still have the mind of a teenager. My mentality hasn't changed in the slightest from when I was 16, and I want to act like a teenager and have people see me as one, but that's not possible. No matter what happens now, there will always be an enormous void in my soul that I'll never be able to fill. If I were to not commit suicide, it would only be because of some fear that I'd be punished for it or because of my cowardice stopping me from going through with it.Could you please tell us why you want to do it?
Well, as I said above, my case is almost entirely about circumstances. If my brain is screwed up, it's only because my mind is broken from years of enduring some bad stuff, coupled with the realization that it's too late for even a miracle cure to make a difference because the time is already lost. The way I see it, my problems are physical, and unsolvable in this world, so getting out of this body actually would solve my problems. Nevertheless, I do appreciate that you took the time to post a lot of information, and I'll have a look at it."What do you think happens after death to people who commit suicide?"
I think suicide will not solve anything because you are an immortal spirit and killing your body won't change anything, you will still exist as a spirit, and you might have to reincarnate and live through it all again and continue where you left off.
"I already feel like it's what I should do"
If you are contemplating suicide there is probably something abnormal biochemically that affects the brain so you shouldn't trust your judgment in that respect.
I actually have an unshakeable feeling of my own. In my case, it's the feeling that this is not how things were supposed to be at this point in my life, that I was somehow knocked off the path I was supposed to be on, and that now I'm so hopelessly lost that there's no way of getting back on that path and I might as well just start over from the beginning. It feels kind of like being a student and suddenly realizing at 2:30 that you have a ten-page paper due for a class at 3:00 and you've done absolutely no work on it. Sure, you can try to scramble and put something together on time, but even if you can put something together, it's not going to be any good. So you might as well just say "To hell with it." Or it feels like creating a character in a role-playing game and realizing that you've completely screwed it up, there's no way to fix it, you won't be able to complete the game except by lots of luck and trial-and-error, and it sure as hell won't be fun, so you might as well just start over now that you know what not to do, regardless of how much time you've wasted on that doomed character.I struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts, I frequently experience deja vu moments like I've experienced this all before, frequently I feel like I can even guess whats about to happen in a few seconds. Eventually during meditation I had an out of body experience where I spoke with a woman made of light who told me I had killed myself. I don't know if this was delusion or a fabrication but I've never been able to shake the feeling I'm here to do a better job this time so I could live without regrets. I hope my experience can help you come to some kind of understanding of what you're going through, JD1.
You should NOT do it. Don't be deceived into thinking it is something you "really should do". Everything, and I mean everything, you posted here is similar in a number of ways to other people who have struggled with these same issues. I know you feel hopeless, and like there's no way it could ever change - but that isn't true. It is one of the classic deceptions of depression. Do not buy that bullshit. You cannot know with certainty what the rest of your life will be like, and by committing suicide you'll never find out. I am telling you right now, I am a random person on this forum, and from the bottom of my heart I am telling you that you matter to me here. You matter. Like others have echoed in this forum, I plead with you to contact a professional, a friend, a family member, a clergy member, someone, anyone who will be overjoyed to get to talk with you and help you in person or in some way. That void you mentioned can be filled - you just haven't found the filler yet. Again, it is not the answer, please, please seek the help you need.Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I got a bit distracted by some other stuff (I was having a pretty serious episode when I posted the thread, so I kind of had to get distracted for a while).
The short version is that, for various reasons, I was robbed of my youth, and I know with absolute certainty that I will be miserable for the rest of my life. Despite my physical age, I still have the mind of a teenager. My mentality hasn't changed in the slightest from when I was 16, and I want to act like a teenager and have people see me as one, but that's not possible. No matter what happens now, there will always be an enormous void in my soul that I'll never be able to fill. If I were to not commit suicide, it would only be because of some fear that I'd be punished for it or because of my cowardice stopping me from going through with it.
Even if I were to adjust my priorities or whatever, it would only be done out of obligation, and I would immediately discard those adjustments as soon as I had the chance (like if I get to the afterlife and they say "Great! You made it! Didn't you learn how to live without being young?", I would say "I guess. Whatever. Now I want to forget all of it ever happened and get to my next life immediately. I gave you what you wanted, now you give me what I want.")
Well, as I said above, my case is almost entirely about circumstances. If my brain is screwed up, it's only because my mind is broken from years of enduring some bad stuff, coupled with the realization that it's too late for even a miracle cure to make a difference because the time is already lost. The way I see it, my problems are physical, and unsolvable in this world, so getting out of this body actually would solve my problems. Nevertheless, I do appreciate that you took the time to post a lot of information, and I'll have a look at it.
I actually have an unshakeable feeling of my own. In my case, it's the feeling that this is not how things were supposed to be at this point in my life, that I was somehow knocked off the path I was supposed to be on, and that now I'm so hopelessly lost that there's no way of getting back on that path and I might as well just start over from the beginning. It feels kind of like being a student and suddenly realizing at 2:30 that you have a ten-page paper due for a class at 3:00 and you've done absolutely no work on it. Sure, you can try to scramble and put something together on time, but even if you can put something together, it's not going to be any good. So you might as well just say "To hell with it." Or it feels like creating a character in a role-playing game and realizing that you've completely screwed it up, there's no way to fix it, you won't be able to complete the game except by lots of luck and trial-and-error, and it sure as hell won't be fun, so you might as well just start over now that you know what not to do, regardless of how much time you've wasted on that doomed character.
I also have a feeling that maybe my planned purpose for this life was to learn defiance, because I might have not stood up for myself in a past life due to being too afraid. What could be more defiant than telling the entire world to go to hell because I refuse to take any more shit?
These feelings are part of the reason why I feel like I should do it, and on some level, I'm angry at myself for not being able to go through with it, much like anyone who's angry at themselves for not doing something they know they really should do.
The afterlife info suggests it's your own higher self that chose your life challenges, not something other beings wanted.I gave you what you wanted, now you give me what I want.
I found this comment just an hour ago from an NDEr (of which I did "speak" to sometime ago coincidentally) Apparently he was electrocuted. The basic sentiment of what he's driving at I tend to agree with. I also thought it was possibly relevant to you or how you think of yourself at the moment, apologies if you don't think so.
"I have also had a NDE, about 40 years ago. As soon as I came out of my body, I noticed how peaceful and calm it was. It felt as if I was floating on air. Then I saw my body, and I thought: I think I'm dead. But I don't feel dead. I feel more alive than ever. My sense of awareness was very sharp and keen. I wasn't even phased by seeing my dead body. I felt completely free for the first time in my life. Then I had a feeling of being loved, and this feeling became more and more intense, and continuing to intensify. I knew instinctively that I was in the presence of the Source, the Divine, God, or whatever we choose to call this. It felt as if my entire spirit was permeated with this love.
The last thing I experienced was sensing the Oneness. Somehow, someway, we are all one. I went back into my body right after this. 40 years have elapsed since my NDE. I sort of put my experience on the shelf for a long time, and went on living my life as usual. I never forgot my experience although, but I spoke to very few people about this. About 10 years ago, I felt it was time to address my spiritual life. I thought about my NDE, and the pieces began to fall into place. I was able to understand the meaning of my NDE.
I finally realized, when I sensed the Oneness, God was trying to tell me that there is a Oneness between Him and I. This is something very personal between God and myself. Not that I'm special or anything like this, but this Oneness is available to everyone. The problem with religion is that it's fear based, and they say we cannot approach God. This notion is completely false.
Prior to having my NDE, I had the feeling that I wasn't "good enough". During my NDE, I know that God accepted me as I am, had always accepted me, and would always accept me. He treated me with unconditional love. No power or anything else will ever to able to take this away from me. God is not an angry ogre, waiting for the opportunity to cast us into a hellish place, as soon as we screw something up. He is exactly the opposite. God loves us more than we can comprehend or understand. I relate my NDE because my desire is for everyone to know the truth. I don't want them to live their lives in fear, and being afraid of a vengeful and angry god. Instead, step into the light, and enlighten yourselves. You will never regret this decision."
Thank you for sharing this. I also, based on my own experiences, do not believe in "waiting around in a chair for someone to save you" You must save yourself. You must free yourself. To use a Christian analogy, Christ had to spend 40 days in the desert alone. Do I really think I can sit in my chair and say "I believe" and be saved. The truth is there to be found, no one ever said it would be easy.
As for the poster, time, patience, and a new method of problem solving are wonderful friends.
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I got a bit distracted by some other stuff (I was having a pretty serious episode when I posted the thread, so I kind of had to get distracted for a while).
The short version is that, for various reasons, I was robbed of my youth, and I know with absolute certainty that I will be miserable for the rest of my life. Despite my physical age, I still have the mind of a teenager. My mentality hasn't changed in the slightest from when I was 16, and I want to act like a teenager and have people see me as one, but that's not possible. No matter what happens now, there will always be an enormous void in my soul that I'll never be able to fill. If I were to not commit suicide, it would only be because of some fear that I'd be punished for it or because of my cowardice stopping me from going through with it.
Even if I were to adjust my priorities or whatever, it would only be done out of obligation, and I would immediately discard those adjustments as soon as I had the chance (like if I get to the afterlife and they say "Great! You made it! Didn't you learn how to live without being young?", I would say "I guess. Whatever. Now I want to forget all of it ever happened and get to my next life immediately. I gave you what you wanted, now you give me what I want.")
Well, as I said above, my case is almost entirely about circumstances. If my brain is screwed up, it's only because my mind is broken from years of enduring some bad stuff, coupled with the realization that it's too late for even a miracle cure to make a difference because the time is already lost. The way I see it, my problems are physical, and unsolvable in this world, so getting out of this body actually would solve my problems. Nevertheless, I do appreciate that you took the time to post a lot of information, and I'll have a look at it.
I actually have an unshakeable feeling of my own. In my case, it's the feeling that this is not how things were supposed to be at this point in my life, that I was somehow knocked off the path I was supposed to be on, and that now I'm so hopelessly lost that there's no way of getting back on that path and I might as well just start over from the beginning. It feels kind of like being a student and suddenly realizing at 2:30 that you have a ten-page paper due for a class at 3:00 and you've done absolutely no work on it. Sure, you can try to scramble and put something together on time, but even if you can put something together, it's not going to be any good. So you might as well just say "To hell with it." Or it feels like creating a character in a role-playing game and realizing that you've completely screwed it up, there's no way to fix it, you won't be able to complete the game except by lots of luck and trial-and-error, and it sure as hell won't be fun, so you might as well just start over now that you know what not to do, regardless of how much time you've wasted on that doomed character.
I also have a feeling that maybe my planned purpose for this life was to learn defiance, because I might have not stood up for myself in a past life due to being too afraid. What could be more defiant than telling the entire world to go to hell because I refuse to take any more shit?
These feelings are part of the reason why I feel like I should do it, and on some level, I'm angry at myself for not being able to go through with it, much like anyone who's angry at themselves for not doing something they know they really should do.