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who?Alex you have had more than a one or two frauds on your show.
who?Alex you have had more than a one or two frauds on your show.
Agree completely. I honestly expected that most listeners of this show would have already reached same conclusion. Calling Bart Sibrel a "wing nut"? Isn't that the same technique used to discredit say NDE researchers?Forgive me but Changing the subject here: Edgar Mitchell is a complete fraud and that "Christian guy" has much bigger testicles than Mitchell or anyone at IONS. I too respect Radin but lets just admit that with 2 minutes of actual scientific logical thinking it becomes obvious that it is and remains impossible to go to the moon. In fact it was the moon landings themselves that enshrined "Science" as the all powerful and best method of approaching life. Despite the fact that science can tell us next to nothing about art, love, ethics, justice, morality, aesthetics, raising a child, governance. If fact ALL of the most important aspects of life, besides physical health and comfort, science is almost useless.
The scientific method has severe limits in helping is understand anything non-physical. But we can use it to critique science itself and what passes for it's understanding of Physics, concrete reality. The temperature on the moon is 250 degrees fahrenheit in the sun and 250 degrees negative fahrenheit in the shade. (Or close to that). They had a magic battery powered backpack that could cool and heat them simultaneously? Where is that technology today?
Why didn't Mitchell mention the stars while in outer space? They must have been incredible!!
Why haven't we gone back? The list goes on and on. Severe radiation exposure outside the ionosphere. The ridiculous maneuvers of the LEM that had the computer power of a watch. 9 years from conception thru design to fabrication and testing to the glorious completion of a 6 moon landings!! (1961-1969). ALL of the engineering drawings for the Saturn 5 and the command module and LEM are lost as are most of the moon rocks (many of them shown to be fake) and all of the original videos!! The program was run by a Nazi former SS officer and a Crowleyite OTO lodge head explosives expert. Guys they never went and it wasn't aliens that scared them off. It was fraud pure and simple. And fraud in science and in the spiritual "world" is constant and rife and we need to be on guard against it whether is is christian TV evangelists or contemporary New Age Blavatsky Theosophical types or guys with 3 Ph.D's and a white lab coat on. Alex you have had more than a one or two frauds on your show. We all get fooled from time to time.
For more on why the moon landing was scientifically impossible go here: Wagging The Moondoggie http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled" Mark Twain
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hey Chef... I hear you on some of the fake stuff surrounding the moon landing, but I'm conflicted about how much was faked. Edgar Mitchell doesn't seem like a shill to me. I mean, who knows, but he sure doesn't come across that way. Bart, on the other hand, seems like a bit of a wingnut. again, I don't know him, and I support his cause in terms of getting at the truth, but still...Agree completely. I honestly expected that most listeners of this show would have already reached same conclusion. Calling Bart Sibrel a "wing nut"? Isn't that the same technique used to discredit say NDE researchers?
here's one reason I'm unwilling to jump on the totally fake (as opposed to partially fake) moon landing thing:Agree completely. I honestly expected that most listeners of this show would have already reached same conclusion. Calling Bart Sibrel a "wing nut"? Isn't that the same technique used to discredit say NDE researchers?
I'd really like to get a discussion going on this issue, But it would be best in a new thread - presumably in the "Why Science is Wring" section.Forgive me but Changing the subject here: Edgar Mitchell is a complete fraud and that "Christian guy" has much bigger testicles than Mitchell or anyone at IONS. I too respect Radin but lets just admit that with 2 minutes of actual scientific logical thinking it becomes obvious that it is and remains impossible to go to the moon. In fact it was the moon landings themselves that enshrined "Science" as the all powerful and best method of approaching life. Despite the fact that science can tell us next to nothing about art, love, ethics, justice, morality, aesthetics, raising a child, governance. If fact ALL of the most important aspects of life, besides physical health and comfort, science is almost useless.
The scientific method has severe limits in helping is understand anything non-physical. But we can use it to critique science itself and what passes for it's understanding of Physics, concrete reality. The temperature on the moon is 250 degrees fahrenheit in the sun and 250 degrees negative fahrenheit in the shade. (Or close to that). They had a magic battery powered backpack that could cool and heat them simultaneously? Where is that technology today?
Why didn't Mitchell mention the stars while in outer space? They must have been incredible!!
Why haven't we gone back? The list goes on and on. Severe radiation exposure outside the ionosphere. The ridiculous maneuvers of the LEM that had the computer power of a watch. 9 years from conception thru design to fabrication and testing to the glorious completion of a 6 moon landings!! (1961-1969). ALL of the engineering drawings for the Saturn 5 and the command module and LEM are lost as are most of the moon rocks (many of them shown to be fake) and all of the original videos!! The program was run by a Nazi former SS officer and a Crowleyite OTO lodge head explosives expert. Guys they never went and it wasn't aliens that scared them off. It was fraud pure and simple. And fraud in science and in the spiritual "world" is constant and rife and we need to be on guard against it whether is is christian TV evangelists or contemporary New Age Blavatsky Theosophical types or guys with 3 Ph.D's and a white lab coat on. Alex you have had more than a one or two frauds on your show. We all get fooled from time to time.
For more on why the moon landing was scientifically impossible go here: Wagging The Moondoggie http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled" Mark Twain
Peace
Jurgen Ziewe? Would you please elucidate why you think hes an obvious fraud?Definitely the travel outside his body guy to make art- that's on the front page of your website. I posted that opinion at the time on the forum. Obvious.
Your argument is somewhat compelling but it is kind of like saying that 911 couldn't have been an inside job because too many people would have had to keep the secret and it wouldn't be possible. It also sidesteps the main arguments for the idea that the moon landings were faked; the evidence. And when one painstakingly examines the evidence it's really hard to accept the idea that in 1969, when the spaceships had less computing power than my IPhone, that NASA flew several successful missions to the moon and back. For brevity, I won't go into the arguments, but Sibrel's contributions shouldn't be dismissed without a fair hearing. His video, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon, is, imho, compelling. Have you watched it? You should!here's one reason I'm unwilling to jump on the totally fake (as opposed to partially fake) moon landing thing:
THEY'RE WATCHING US
But there is a major stumbling block for Apollo skeptics; this was during the Cold War. The Russians and the Chinese were watching NASA's every move, and had the expertise, the technology and most certainly the motivation to call bullshit on any chicanery.
I have no doubt that every intelligence agency in the world was poring over every frame of imagery being released from these missions, since the idea of establishing missile bases on the Moon had a lot of currency at the time.
Exposing a faked Moonshot would be a propaganda coup like no other, especially given the fact that all of this was going on during the height of an extremely unpopular war that was in danger of making the USA an international pariah. Add the assassinations, the race riots and the general civil unrest, and a scandal over a faked Apollo mission might well have been a tipping point for a revolution in this country.
from: http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/02/stanley-kubrick-and-reality-stargate.html