BTW, to the proponents (and indeed skeptics), what do you think matter actually is these days? Because it seems you take the view that it is deterministic and billiard ballish. Secondly, you can have some sort of intrinsic consciousness that is part of matter, you don't have to do away with the material.
Radicalpolitik asked these questions in the consciousness and Science forum. Since skeptics don't post there, I took the liberty of starting a thread here so his questions could be answered.
Skeptics go along with what the science demonstrates. So matter hasn't been billiard ballish or deterministic for over a hundred years now. It has something to do with smeared probabilities of either point particles or one-dimensional strings, as far as I can tell. Whether or not it has consciousness is TBD.
Linda