Are you sure? I thought the haven was itself sub-divided into a public and private area. My point was that there was a public area - it is still visible: http://forum.mind-energy.net/forum/skeptiko-podcast-forums/skeptiko-haven I agree it is useful more or less as it is. I'm not looking to shake the world here. I don't want to comment too much on any individual, especially one without the right of reply. I think we need a sceptical input, not so much because I support what they believe, but because there is a need for a reference point, something to compare and contrast.