Will the veil be dropped in our lifetimes?

#1
Think disclosure, but not just UFOs: that material realism is completely cashed, that we reincarnate, that we exist outside of this life, that death is just a return to that modality and our individuality is preserved in some fashion, that telepathy, precognition, OBEs, NDEs, are all viable, that time is not just linear, that we're in a possible infinite dream (does limitation even exist besides the limitations we impose on ourselves?), and that we're not in here alone -- there's something in here with us, maybe millions of somethings.

We've heard about the 'aliens' waiting till a certain number of people are capable of accepting their reality (it's over 50% now), that maybe the government has been purposefully trying not to let that belief unfold for fear that all hell will break loose.

We have huge numbers of audience members having watched the following: Netflix released The OA (physical/alternate duality), Stranger Things (physical/alternate duality), and The Discovery (physical/alternate duality ~ we discover that there's an afterlife so everyone starts killing themselves. Really? Is that what would happen? Or is that the same fear mongering as "we can't release the truth about UFOs, everyone would go crazy!") Stranger Things 2 is on the way. I can't wait to see the themes in that one. (Yes, I'm a Christopher Knowles / synchronicity fan too.)

I was obsessed with an 'Ascension event' for humanity till 2012 kind of deflated me ~ there were ancient texts, new texts, alien channelings, hypnotized messages, Dolores Cannon stuff, Law of One.

I mean, we know about The Tipping Point right? Really only 10-15% of the population needs to really chew on an idea before it will propagate and be accepted by the whole. And we're being led towards this Disclosure thing, but as Skeptikonians know that you can't just Disclose aliens, it's a whole bucket of wormholes that reaches the very essence of who we are and where we came from!

(Well pardon me this is going to be a jumble of spaghetti, but when synchronicity elbows me I usually think it means I need to pass something on, so here you go.)

Anyway, I just stumbled on this simple video in my feed called "Through the Light Barrier" by Bente Muller:

Unfortunately the guy that posted it tacked on some comments about jesuits and whaaa? Well that's unfortunate. Anyway, it immediately struck me as important. Had to find that book.

Did an Amazon/kindle search for "Through the Light Barrier" and it isn't there -- all I find is an autobiography by the same name by Elizabeth Klarer. Elizabeth Klarer - I know that name? Oh yeah, it's that amazing South African woman who claims to have had a torrid love affair with an alien named Akon. Oh yeah! And her assistant Kitty backs up her story. Klarer [RIP] had some insightful things to say about the nature of the universe that piqued my attention. I can see I posted that to my facebook on May 2nd (*crickets* - no one appreciates my posts. At least publicly.)

So, I'd also come across this video... it doesn't even say the guy's name? Tales of Unity and Oneness That the Government Doesn't Want You To Know. Start at 7:28. He was UFO-document-obsessed (30 years) till he went to a lecture and got a download. Now he has an idea about the mechanics of the universe:

^ I also posted that to Facebook. Pearls before swine, I tell ya.

I wrote to Bente Muller's folks to try and get that book. I subscribed to the newsletter.
She'd never written anything and then she got a download. It is about the nature of nature and how it has purposefully poised us between the mechanistic and the integral.

This book is Nature’s revolutionary reaction to Humanity’s unintelligent threat to Life on Earth. Pressed to intelligent self-defense, Nature now reveals new information with the potential to revolutionize Science and Religion, and uncovers and unlocks a Logic-trap in which Human Thinking for long has been imperceptibly caught.

The Human culture is founded on two nature-opposing ideas: Science’s mechanistic World-view and Religion’s patriarchal God-image. These mutually supporting false ideas have developed into a Life-threatening and Woman-despising World-culture, driving Humanity towards a self-destructive collision with the Nature it is a part of.

The book reveals how and why this Logic-problem has evolved, and presents the knowledge which may provide its solution.

“Through the Light Barrier” is the result of an extraordinary communication between a rejected part of Nature and a receptive human consciousness. It is re-educational information adapted for today’s human mind, transferring the intelligence-transforming knowledge we need to free ourselves from our entrapped ignorance.

The book reveals Humanity’s spiritual development as a crucial part of The Evolution, and provides the spiritual nourishment we need to take the self-rescuing step ahead.
Newsletter #1:
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Dear free Thinker

Mankind’s existential crisis is frightening to all of us, but the crisis is a potentially promising problem. The development of the problem is the first stage in the development of the problem’s almost unattainable solution.

This is how Nature’s creative dynamics works. Nature grows towards self-destruction, and then re-invents itself on a higher level of development – in self-defence. Chaos suddenly transforms itself to a new and higher order. This solution does not come by itself, it must be discovered and the opportunity grasped. The problem-solving intelligence lies in the Nature we are all a part of.

Mankind’s apparently unintelligent threat to Life on Earth, is a part of this daring dynamic process. Presently we have reached the dynamic’s crucial stage. At this point we stand uncomprehending and helpless. The threat of self-destruction is obvious, and the search for the self-defending opportunity intense.

The situation is an enormous intelligence-test. Most of us stick our heads in the sand and leave the challenge to Science. But we are fooling ourselves. A problem can not be solved with the same thinking we used when we created it.

So what now?
(continued....)

Newsletter #2: (you have to go to top right and translate to English)
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Intelligence Revolution NOW!

The universe is not random, meaningless and mechanistic, as the science has claimed so far. The universe is the Creator Intelligence genius self-reliance experiment. The rebirth is through Nature's highest developed part - Human consciousness.

To succeed in this advanced experiment, the universe was constructed logically bilingual. It speaks two conflicting logical languages - a mechanistic and a non-mechanistic.

This logical dynamics enabled the development of an intelligence-provoking error in Nature: One of the two logs could confirm itself in the universe, thereby eliminating and denying the validity and existence of the second logic !

In this way, an intelligence-evolving dynamics was established in Nature. It made the universe a highly charged intellectually explosive, a spiritual explosive that either destroys everything or provokes the unexplained part of the Creator intelligence of logical counter-reaction in self-defense so that it describes itself for consciousness, proves its existence and so resumes Humanity's logical two-language ur intelligence.

The logical two-linguistic nature laid the foundation for a mechanistic intelligence to invade, occupy and block the biological brain, and capture human thinking and action in a mechanistic logic that human thought would never break out of its own means. Such a natural-minded intelligence could become a sovereign, invisible and world-ruling thought leader who could mistake human thinking and action against a life-threatening chaos. A bold but potentially re-setting intelligence challenge that gives Nature an ingenious self-defense opportunity that would otherwise never have been possible to develop.
Ok, it's Friday and I have to go to Kung Fu.
Sorry for ranting explosively.

I'm sure I have a point somewhere. I have a head full of links. Just drawing connections... that's what I do.
 
#3
I don't think so... Take psychology for example, we *already know* that a lot of postulates and even whole schools are riddled to the gills with BS, but they linger on with normalcy and psychologists are given relative freedom to adopt them. Simply "disproving" it will not change much, materialism works for the average man and it's metaphysical ideas of meaningless existence have a connection with consumerism and vain excesses (so it works for the government as well), there is no incentive for information contradicting it to become massified. As usual, it will take a few generations and a lot of funerals to get there. Likely one too many for my lifetime, I'm afraid. We will, however, most likely see the seedlings of a post-materialistic scientific class and that should be quite satisfying.
 
#4
I can very easily see people committing suicide en masse if they found out there is an afterlife. Life here sucks, your abilities are hilariously limited for no reason, your own body tortures and compels you to keep it alive like a glorified skinner box, you're more than likely going to grow up extremely impoverished and unable to meet your body's demands, and then you deteriorate and die anyways.

No one in their right mind would willingly agree to this.

The only thing that keeps a lot of people from killing themselves is the belief that doing so leads to greater sufffering, lack of an afterlife reward, or that they only have one life and they gotta squeeze whatever they can out of it before they stop existing forever.
 
#5
It occurred to me the other day that there may be one way the tipping point might come about.

It seems logical that there would be far more people with strong psychic abilities, if children were typically encouraged to develop such tallents - just as we get our musicians from people who learned to play really well in their early years.

Now it could be that a spread of interest in psychic phenomena might result in more children being given encouragement to develop these skills - as it is said they do in primitive cultures.

This could lead to a positive feedback.

David
 
#6
I can very easily see people committing suicide en masse if they found out there is an afterlife. Life here sucks, your abilities are hilariously limited for no reason, your own body tortures and compels you to keep it alive like a glorified skinner box, you're more than likely going to grow up extremely impoverished and unable to meet your body's demands, and then you deteriorate and die anyways.

No one in their right mind would willingly agree to this.

The only thing that keeps a lot of people from killing themselves is the belief that doing so leads to greater sufffering, lack of an afterlife reward, or that they only have one life and they gotta squeeze whatever they can out of it before they stop existing forever.
Well assuming the after-life exists, and is better than being here, it is worth remembering that you agreed to enter this life for a reason - at least that is a common interpretation of a a variety of bits of evidence - and that when this life is over, you will in due course agree to reincarnate!

In other words, just because you don't understand exactly why you are here, does not mean there is no reason! In a way your angst (which I am sure is real) is a variant on the materialist angst - we are here by chance and life is pointless, so why bother.

Remember that here on earth, people often do unpleasant things as a challenge - the only difference is that someone running a marathon (say) is aware of the mental reward if they finish with a good time, even as they are struggling to put the effort in.

David
 
#7
.The only thing that keeps a lot of people from killing themselves is the belief that doing so leads to greater sufffering, lack of an afterlife reward, or that they only have one life and they gotta squeeze whatever they can out of it before they stop existing forever.
And you know this because...?
 
#8
In other words, just because you don't understand exactly why you are here, does not mean there is no reason! In a way your angst (which I am sure is real) is a variant on the materialist angst - we are here by chance and life is pointless, so why bother.
Yeah some of the first spirits to contact me when I started delving into astral projection and magic tried that logic on me. Claimed I had a "soul contract" that obligated me to certain things. I said I didn't remember signing any contract and asked them to present it so I could read it. They couldn't but insisted that I was obligated anyways. I told them the contract was null and void if it even existed, I agreed to none of this and they couldn't prove otherwise. They got frustrated and claimed there would be consequences if I disobeyed them. I told them that that's called a threat and that I doubted their ability to enforce it.

Remember that here on earth, people often do unpleasant things as a challenge - the only difference is that someone running a marathon (say) is aware of the mental reward if they finish with a good time, even as they are struggling to put the effort in.
In my case I do understand why I am here and it was done when I was not in my right mind. The story goes that after leaving another one-shot incarnation pretty much the same as this one a very close friend of mine got incredibly pissed at me because they didn't like that I had so much trouble believing they even existed despite all the contact they and others attempted. They didn't like how much I questioned and dismissed them as a figment of my imagination. I wasn't all that happy about it, arguing back that when you're brought up in a world devoid of magic, in a family who actively discourages anything remotely psychic or creative, with as much of your memory sealed as possible, and then the best proof you can get is some odd dreams, feelings, and the odd object moving across the table it's very understandable that you wouldn't make the leap to "oh my god I have all this past experience and I know all these people!" Which had been an ongoing argument in that life (And now this one too)

But I snapped a bit and decided "Fine, I'll just go back down and do it better if that's how you feel." and I came back down. It turned out that they were very angry but not so angry they actully wanted me to do that and I was actually given the option when I was around 5 or 6 years old to leave this life but I decided to stay. So they said to help me out they would feed me memories of pretty much everything I've ever expereinced, which I interpreted as a fictional story despite being explicitly told that's not what it was. That lasted about 18 years until the story stalled and then they showed up again saying "Hey you know that story that's been running in your head your whole life? Yeah that's actually your past." Then lots of other stuff happened and now I agree with them that this entire life was a mistake and should never have happened. Unfortunately she blames herself for the whole situation but it's at least as much my fault. I figure since I'm down here anyways I might as well see what new things I can learn.

And you know this because...?
Suicide is a sin in most if not all religions. Martydom in Islam is not considered the same thing as suicide as far as I know, which is why suicide bombings are so prevalent and justified because of how they're believed to serve Allah or something. In those cases people are committing suicide beacuse they believe that all their earthly sins will be absolved and that they'll get an afterlife reward if they do. That's why you see hordes of muslim suicide attacks as opposed to, say, Bhuddists or Hindus. Although Bhuddists have been known to light themselves on fire in protest of things like killing cows, with no effect unsurprisingly.

Given that most of the world is religious in some capacity, and most of the religious people are part of one of the religious that see suicide as a sin, it's probably accurate to say that a lot of people don't commit suicide for those reasons.
 
#9
It seems logical that there would be far more people with strong psychic abilities, if children were typically encouraged to develop such tallents - just as we get our musicians from people who learned to play really well in their early years.

Now it could be that a spread of interest in psychic phenomena might result in more children being given encouragement to develop these skills - as it is said they do in primitive cultures.
I very much agree. I have a hypothesis that in about 50 - 75 years or maybe as early as 20 years you're going to start seeing children spontaneously developing telekinesis and the like in the western world. The idea comes from my expereinces attempting to develop magic and how intrestingly similar wi-fi signals, cell tower signals, etc feel compared to how the ambient energy of the spirit plane and some dreams feel. That combined with hologram technology and how everything is done with your hands like touchscreens and beyond you're going to get this perfect storm of someone who's just got off a crazy 18 hour shift one day, instincively tries swiping to the next page of their fridge door because they're just that tired... and it actually works.
 
#10
I very much agree. I have a hypothesis that in about 50 - 75 years or maybe as early as 20 years you're going to start seeing children spontaneously developing telekinesis and the like in the western world. The idea comes from my expereinces attempting to develop magic and how intrestingly similar wi-fi signals, cell tower signals, etc feel compared to how the ambient energy of the spirit plane and some dreams feel. That combined with hologram technology and how everything is done with your hands like touchscreens and beyond you're going to get this perfect storm of someone who's just got off a crazy 18 hour shift one day, instincively tries swiping to the next page of their fridge door because they're just that tired... and it actually works.
Do you think there is any significance to the fact that some of our technology resembles ψ in its functionality? I mean instant worldwide communications, GOOGLE, touch screens that you just fondle to make them do things - often at a distance.

I can't decide if the resemblance is trivial,or more meaningful.

David
 
#11
Yeah some of the first spirits to contact me when I started delving into astral projection and magic tried that logic on me. Claimed I had a "soul contract" that obligated me to certain things. I said I didn't remember signing any contract and asked them to present it so I could read it. They couldn't but insisted that I was obligated anyways. I told them the contract was null and void if it even existed, I agreed to none of this and they couldn't prove otherwise. They got frustrated and claimed there would be consequences if I disobeyed them. I told them that that's called a threat and that I doubted their ability to enforce it.



In my case I do understand why I am here and it was done when I was not in my right mind. The story goes that after leaving another one-shot incarnation pretty much the same as this one a very close friend of mine got incredibly pissed at me because they didn't like that I had so much trouble believing they even existed despite all the contact they and others attempted. They didn't like how much I questioned and dismissed them as a figment of my imagination. I wasn't all that happy about it, arguing back that when you're brought up in a world devoid of magic, in a family who actively discourages anything remotely psychic or creative, with as much of your memory sealed as possible, and then the best proof you can get is some odd dreams, feelings, and the odd object moving across the table it's very understandable that you wouldn't make the leap to "oh my god I have all this past experience and I know all these people!" Which had been an ongoing argument in that life (And now this one too)

But I snapped a bit and decided "Fine, I'll just go back down and do it better if that's how you feel." and I came back down. It turned out that they were very angry but not so angry they actully wanted me to do that and I was actually given the option when I was around 5 or 6 years old to leave this life but I decided to stay. So they said to help me out they would feed me memories of pretty much everything I've ever expereinced, which I interpreted as a fictional story despite being explicitly told that's not what it was. That lasted about 18 years until the story stalled and then they showed up again saying "Hey you know that story that's been running in your head your whole life? Yeah that's actually your past." Then lots of other stuff happened and now I agree with them that this entire life was a mistake and should never have happened. Unfortunately she blames herself for the whole situation but it's at least as much my fault. I figure since I'm down here anyways I might as well see what new things I can learn.



Suicide is a sin in most if not all religions. Martydom in Islam is not considered the same thing as suicide as far as I know, which is why suicide bombings are so prevalent and justified because of how they're believed to serve Allah or something. In those cases people are committing suicide beacuse they believe that all their earthly sins will be absolved and that they'll get an afterlife reward if they do. That's why you see hordes of muslim suicide attacks as opposed to, say, Bhuddists or Hindus. Although Bhuddists have been known to light themselves on fire in protest of things like killing cows, with no effect unsurprisingly.

Given that most of the world is religious in some capacity, and most of the religious people are part of one of the religious that see suicide as a sin, it's probably accurate to say that a lot of people don't commit suicide for those reasons.

Interesting perspective on the afterlife. Cows are sacred to Hindus, not Buddhists, and the monks who burned themselves alive were Vietnamese Theravada Buddhists who were protesting the war in Vietnam.
My view on reincarnation, of how to stop the process at least, is in line with what Hinduism and Buddhism claim is necessary. That is, you must renounce attachment to all the earthly things that you currently identify with, that includes atrachment s to people, country, entertainments, sexuality, even romantic love. Once that is done with, there really is no more reason to come back to earthly life.
 
#12
I can very easily see people committing suicide en masse if they found out there is an afterlife.
This is somewhat of a speculation. There is a variety of psi phenomena, but none that prove there's a thing like an afterlife. Rebirth? Yes. Afterlife? Nope. Contacting spirits doesn't mean the spirits are alive. They are alive for a brief period only if their 'personality' is shined upon by the light of a living attention.
 
#13
I can see what you mean about religious influence. But you're guessing at how many people really intend suicide and the extent to which religious beliefs affect it. I can't recall reading any studies on it myself. Having dealt with this people in this situation for many years and although I can't say my own experience is typical (there being no study I have seen), I'd say it's rarely, if ever, the consideration that prevents suicide.
 
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#14
I can see what you mean about religious influence. But you're guessing at how many people really intend suicide and the extent to which religious beliefs affect it. I can't recall reading any studies on it myself. Having dealt with this people in this situation for many years and although I can't say my own experience is typical (there being no study I have seen), I'd say it's rarely, if ever, the consideration that prevents suicide.
A friend of mine worked with a variety of troubled persons. She remarked to someone who was a believer in the afterlife but contemplated suicide that he would end up solving none of his problems in this life but would have the same mental suffering in the next.

Years later the person thanked her for saving his life.

"...to leave this world, it does not suffice to die. One can die and remain in it forever. One must be living to leave it. Or rather, to be living is just this."

-Henry Corbin, Cyclical Time in Ismaili Gnosis, 58
 
#15
A friend of mine worked with a variety of troubled persons. She remarked to someone who was a believer in the afterlife but contemplated suicide that he would end up solving none of his problems in this life but would have the same mental suffering in the next.

Years later the person thanked her for saving his life.

"...to leave this world, it does not suffice to die. One can die and remain in it forever. One must be living to leave it. Or rather, to be living is just this."

-Henry Corbin, Cyclical Time in Ismaili Gnosis, 58
Yes, I think I'd always consider making this point in an appropriate conversation, especially with a friend. I think one has to be very careful about it though. The response was not really a fear-based reaction imho - it looks more a rational one, based on it not being a solution. Most of the major religions do not approach suicide that way as Mediochre mentioned, but rather induce fear of retribution.

There may of course be many reasons for surrendering or taking one's own life. Not all of them are negative.
 
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#16
There may of course be many reasons for surrendering or taking one's own life. Not all of them are negative.
Going to have to agree to disagree there as it's probably beyond this thread....though I will say if the Veil did fall we might see how potentially dangerous taking life - yours or someone else's - can be...
 
#17
Going to have to agree to disagree there as it's probably beyond this thread....though I will say if the Veil did fall we might see how potentially dangerous taking life - yours or someone else's - can be...
Well in a sense it has fallen as there are many purported communications from 'the other side'. For example: I might give my life to save another's - "greater love has no man than this etc". Whilst taking one's life (or anyone else's) is never endorsed, from my own reading the result is uncertain as it depends on so many factors. What I would say is there there is always some consequence for it. It isn't always the same consequence though, imho of course.
 
#18
Do you think there is any significance to the fact that some of our technology resembles ψ in its functionality? I mean instant worldwide communications, GOOGLE, touch screens that you just fondle to make them do things - often at a distance.

I can't decide if the resemblance is trivial,or more meaningful.

David
Sync! Just found this video yesterday of a guy documenting his own synchronicities... the ψ symbol plays a big part:

As far as someone swiping left on their fridge, I've already heard of young children being handed a magazine and attempting to touch the pictures to make them play. To me, we are learning to create and control in the digital world. If we live in a universe without limitations then the desire to bring that control to our regular lives will be very strong and could manifest biologically rather than technologically. Then again, I believe evolution and technology are all on the same spectrum. Biology is a technology, technology and the benefits thereof are another stage of evolution just as intent manufactured gills or claws or any other survival utility.
 
#19
This is somewhat of a speculation. There is a variety of psi phenomena, but none that prove there's a thing like an afterlife. Rebirth? Yes. Afterlife? Nope. Contacting spirits doesn't mean the spirits are alive. They are alive for a brief period only if their 'personality' is shined upon by the light of a living attention.
You read enough of these near death experience reports and it seems pretty clear that not only is there an afterlife, and one outside of linear time, but it isn't AFTER this one... that is who we really are. We just return to that state and choose to experience again, or not. This life is just an experience, like playing a VR holotape or something. Not to say that free will isn't real either, I believe it is.
 
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#20
Well in a sense it has fallen as there are many purported communications from 'the other side'. For example: I might give my life to save another's - "greater love has no man than this etc". Whilst taking one's life (or anyone else's) is never endorsed, from my own reading the result is uncertain as it depends on so many factors. What I would say is there there is always some consequence for it. It isn't always the same consequence though, imho of course.
Ah true, I would distinguish the act of sacrifice for the sake of another (or possibly even for the sake of honor) from that of suicide due to negative mental states.
 
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