William Ramsey, The Satanic Panic Head Fake |463|

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On the Epstein / evil thread, besides the fact that he was clearly a puppet for something much more powerful (perhaps a few intelligence agencies working togeather- he was literally swimming in money for big purchases but had no small change to pay artists working for him) and his soft treatment once caught out, the thing that confused me is that the new feminists' movement largely ignored the whole thing, I certainly didnt hear of any major marches in the street. For the new feminists to not feel compassion and anger for the plight of the young girls under his control point to the leaders of these movements standing for something else than the protection of women.
 
#22
Your excellent reply reminds me somewhat of the political horseshoe theory.
I have found politics getting confusing for me lately. A classic liberal myself, I find myself siding with many on the so-called right on many issues - notably the transgender theory.
Looked up the horseshoe theory, thanks for that, I try to look at as many sides as possible and adjust my placement on the horseshoe to each individual case or issue, that way you are allways thinking for yourself and can never be pegged down in one camp. Bit like greasing yourself all over and running through a mad crowd.
 
#23
On the Epstein / evil thread, besides the fact that he was clearly a puppet for something much more powerful (perhaps a few intelligence agencies working togeather- he was literally swimming in money for big purchases but had no small change to pay artists working for him) and his soft treatment once caught out, the thing that confused me is that the new feminists' movement largely ignored the whole thing, I certainly didnt hear of any major marches in the street. For the new feminists to not feel compassion and anger for the plight of the young girls under his control point to the leaders of these movements standing for something else than the protection of women.
Third wave feminism seems to stand for the right of men to call themselves lesbians.
 

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On the Epstein / evil thread, besides the fact that he was clearly a puppet for something much more powerful (perhaps a few intelligence agencies working togeather- he was literally swimming in money for big purchases but had no small change to pay artists working for him) and his soft treatment once caught out, the thing that confused me is that the new feminists' movement largely ignored the whole thing, I certainly didnt hear of any major marches in the street. For the new feminists to not feel compassion and anger for the plight of the young girls under his control point to the leaders of these movements standing for something else than the protection of women.
interesting. funny how compassion and feminism don't seem to go together.
 
#25
interesting. funny how compassion and feminism don't seem to go together.
TRIGGER WARNING
There is a lot more to the female sex than babies and caring motherhood, I was given a survival book when I was a kid, it was all about
surviving in different situations. One chapter was about surviving a hijacking situation, according to the author with male hijackers its a good tactic
to show pictures of your kids as if executions were to happen then you are likely to be last if you have done this, however if you try the same tactic with female hijackers you are likely to be the first shot. It was supposedly due to females protecting the cause like a mother protects her kids.
Not sure if this is correct but if the female lion is any indication then its pretty likely.
When the Ladies get pissed its time to run... look at the Yazidi women (women =what I mean here is the pxoplx with original vaginas, you know born with them....so hard to explain! not the mentally or surgically constructed ones).
 
#30
Seems to me there are more than two sides or issues to consider. One regarding the legality and rights of adults to choose to identify with a different gender. Another wanting to deny their rights. The other issue is about children and adolescents who are having gender identity confusion and whether they are at a stage in development to be able to make a decision regarding surgery or hormone treatment which will affect their whole lives. I support the rights of adults to choose and putting a hold on any life changing medical interventions until they are fully developed.
Does that make me transphobic?
 
#31
Nice Podcast Alex! Shame about the deluded guest.
As an independent observer from the land of Aleister Crowley I find delusion as rife today as it was in 1692 Salem.
No evidence, corrupt Sheriffs, corrupt Judge, corrupt Jurors and not even the decency to admit a miscarriage of justice and pay those lads compensation. What a sh*t hole of a place Arkansas is, mind you with people like the Clintons, no wonder they believe in devils.
So called Christians had better take a good long look at themselves and start practicing what they preach! They're going to be in for one big shock when they cross over.
 
#32
Seems to me there are more than two sides or issues to consider. One regarding the legality and rights of adults to choose to identify with a different gender. Another wanting to deny their rights. The other issue is about children and adolescents who are having gender identity confusion and whether they are at a stage in development to be able to make a decision regarding surgery or hormone treatment which will affect their whole lives. I support the rights of adults to choose and putting a hold on any life changing medical interventions until they are fully developed.
Does that make me transphobic?
Not so much about the legality and rights of adults wanting to choose to identify with a different gender, for me, but more about men demanding to enter women's private spaces, compete with women in sports and take positions created for women in, for example, politics. I actually do have trans women friends - as corny as that sounds - who agree that the wholesale invasion of women's spaces is abhorrent and deeply sinister.
The sterilising of children and putting them on a lifelong path to pharmaceutical dependency is just as strong a reason for me to oppose most of today's gender theory.
 
#33
Not so much about the legality and rights of adults wanting to choose to identify with a different gender, for me, but more about men demanding to enter women's private spaces, compete with women in sports and take positions created for women in, for example, politics. I actually do have trans women friends - as corny as that sounds - who agree that the wholesale invasion of women's spaces is abhorrent and deeply sinister.
The sterilising of children and putting them on a lifelong path to pharmaceutical dependency is just as strong a reason for me to oppose most of today's gender theory.
I love that realism.
The evil part for me is pumping kids with hormones to stop them becoming what they were born as, and when they "decide" what sex or gender they want to be there is no genetalia to "create" a sex so they are amorphic beings for life.
The funny side is all the trojan horses that are being built like transgenders with penises having the highest victim point score, I guess the men win again.
If only we could see that we are a composite of both sexes with a leaning to one side not angry opponents.
 
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Alex, I am still waiting for members to discuss the show, get back on topic. Maybe they are waiting for you to put your cards on the table? I imagine you are crazy busy with your book.

In the meantime this man is so impressive, his work deserves our attention. There is lots both in the show and at his website blog about his particular cards. I honor his courage.

P.S. I watched the Crowley 3 hour vimeo and learned a great deal that supplements your interview with him. (This was also really really hard to immerse myself in as an empath. At one point in the vimeo Damien was asked if he drank human blood and he smacked his lips, which has given me nightmares. But as tomz says we must look at evil no matter how hard, or it will continue and intensify.)

P.P.S. I pre-ordered your book. THANK YOU for the low price!!
 

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#35
At one point in the vimeo Damien was asked if he drank human blood and he smacked his lips, which has given me nightmares.
looks to me like Damien was a very confused kid with some serious (well-documented) mental health problems. his family upbringing was really bad too, and it looks like his mom might have gotten him into a lot of this satanic stuff. she was like 15 or 16 when he was born. there's a lot of room for compassion here... then again, there are the crimes, and the victims.
 
#36
Alex, I am still waiting for members to discuss the show, get back on topic. Maybe they are waiting for you to put your cards on the table? I imagine you are crazy busy with your book.

In the meantime this man is so impressive, his work deserves our attention. There is lots both in the show and at his website blog about his particular cards. I honor his courage.

P.S. I watched the Crowley 3 hour vimeo and learned a great deal that supplements your interview with him. (This was also really really hard to immerse myself in as an empath. At one point in the vimeo Damien was asked if he drank human blood and he smacked his lips, which has given me nightmares. But as tomz says we must look at evil no matter how hard, or it will continue and intensify.)

P.P.S. I pre-ordered your book. THANK YOU for the low price!!
Hi lonevoice
What is your understanding of the others ? Is it us ?
 
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William Ramsey, The Satanic Panic Head Fake |463|
by Alex Tsakiris | Sep 16 | Spirituality
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William Ramsey, this attorney turned investigative journalist and author has a unique perspective on satanic panic.

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[Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:27]
That’s Matthew McConaughey from The Lincoln Lawyer schooling his client on how the legal system really works. It’s a topic that factors into this interview I have coming up with attorney an investigative journalist William Ramsey, quite prominently, especially when it comes to the case we’re going to talk about, one of them, the West Memphis Three, and how it generated this ridiculous meme about satanic panic. Because as you’ll hear, no matter what you feel about the legal proceedings surrounding Damien Echols and these crimes, there really should be no doubt that this is an individual that was deeply, deeply involved in satanic occult practices. And I say that, of course, because you’ve listened to this show with satanic being in quotes because we can’t pigeonhole all this evil and hang it on one guy
Here’s a clip from the upcoming interview with William Ramsey.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:35] But he looks so innocent and harmless, but that’s exactly the point I wanted to put on about the deception. He’s caught with an outrageous lie there, right?
William Ramsey: [00:01:46] Right, yeah. I mean, they caught him in a lie that he was writing like a secret script. I mean, the allegation is that he was obsessed with the occult, but they denied all that. But while he was in jail, what’s he doing? He’s writing the secret script that has Jason Baldwin’s name and Aleister Crowley. And then he gets out, what’s he do? He’s right back writing books about magick with a K, and making all these very different interviews, he’s quoting, he’s talking about the moonlight, he’s talking about rituals, he’s tweeting about it. I mean, it’s just incredible that people can actually be led on to think that that’s not involved in this case.
I found this to be an interesting interview, but you (Alex) took
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William Ramsey, this attorney turned investigative journalist and author has a unique perspective on satanic panic.

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[Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:27]
That’s Matthew McConaughey from The Lincoln Lawyer schooling his client on how the legal system really works. It’s a topic that factors into this interview I have coming up with attorney an investigative journalist William Ramsey, quite prominently, especially when it comes to the case we’re going to talk about, one of them, the West Memphis Three, and how it generated this ridiculous meme about satanic panic. Because as you’ll hear, no matter what you feel about the legal proceedings surrounding Damien Echols and these crimes, there really should be no doubt that this is an individual that was deeply, deeply involved in satanic occult practices. And I say that, of course, because you’ve listened to this show with satanic being in quotes because we can’t pigeonhole all this evil and hang it on one guy
Here’s a clip from the upcoming interview with William Ramsey.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:35] But he looks so innocent and harmless, but that’s exactly the point I wanted to put on about the deception. He’s caught with an outrageous lie there, right?
William Ramsey: [00:01:46] Right, yeah. I mean, they caught him in a lie that he was writing like a secret script. I mean, the allegation is that he was obsessed with the occult, but they denied all that. But while he was in jail, what’s he doing? He’s writing the secret script that has Jason Baldwin’s name and Aleister Crowley. And then he gets out, what’s he do? He’s right back writing books about magick with a K, and making all these very different interviews, he’s quoting, he’s talking about the moonlight, he’s talking about rituals, he’s tweeting about it. I mean, it’s just incredible that people can actually be led on to think that that’s not involved in this case.
Overall, I found this interview interesting, but I took issue with Ramsey lumping many things together into the "occult" bucket, seeming to deem them all an abomination. One that stood out to me was his reference to the "Witch of En'dor" in the Old Testament. Modern translations refer to her as the "The Medium of En'dor" and she's actually mentioned in a somewhat positive light. Per the story, it was a corrupt leader, Saul who had banished all Mediums, threatening them to death, who came to her. He came in disguise, hoping to trick her into giving him a reading because he was desperate about his fate. She revealed his identity and stated her fears about it, but Saul promised that no harm would come to her. After receiving his assurances, the Medium connected with Saul's predecessor, the deceased Samuel, as Saul had requested. The news he received wasn't good, but that's another story.

I know many gifted Mediums who are wonderful people, including some that are Christians and others who relate to "Christ Consciousness". They are able to connect with people who have passed but they don't summon spirits; rather, this is a natural process not like a seance. This is a gift or ability that most Mediums are born with and the ones I know use it in a positive way, to help grieving people. Ramsy, like many Christians broad brushes these things, apparently relying on what they've been told by clergy or other parishioners and not doing the deep dive themselves.

For what it's worth, the Bible gives many instances where these kinds of abilities are acceptable. The New Testament reports that the Disciples of Jesus saw him speak to two deceased people, Moses and Elijah. Hey people, that's Mediumship! Ramsey might say, "Yeah but that was Jesus", but according to the Gospel of John, Jesus is quoted as saying, "...he who believes in me will do the works that I do and he will do greater works than these..."

Also, in 1st Corinthians, Chapter 12, Paul mentions "The Gifts of the Spirit" as something to aspire for. Many of the abilities he describes could be considered "occult" in Ramsey's way of thinking. On a side, the word occult actually just means "hidden", but it has taken on a negative connotation for some reason. As a result, I tend to use other phrases like "esoteric" when discussing psychic phenomena, mediumship, and other subjects deemed "paranormal".

One other minor point: You (Alex) seemed to take it pretty easy on him when he said that he was a "Bible believing Christian". Other guests who mentioned similar beliefs have had it a lot tougher. Just wasn't sure why he got a break.
 
#38
I think it would be interesting to invite guests from other faith traditions aside from fundamentalist/evangelical Christian streams to comment on some of the questions Skeptiko pursues. Lets bring on some legit Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, First Nations - not white folks from the suburbs who identify as these faiths after encountering a world religions course in college, but people who are steeped in these traditions and whose mindset has been built, block by block, by these streams from birth. Lets see what they have to say about the "occult" and lets let them define it by their own understanding instead of the histrionic shrieks of blue haired ladies from the 80s, still echoing down to us in this Year of Our Lord, 2020. Let us also hear from committed self-identified "occultists" and see how they define it and experience it.

Having American Republican Christians (are there any other kind?) come on and talk about the occult is like asking Warren Buffett to give a fair assessment of socialism. Ain't gonna happen. It's like those ancient accounts from the early church fathers about the beliefs of the gnostics - could those have possibly been fair and balanced?

To your standard American Republican Christian, the "occult" is synonymous with Satanism. Meanwhile, the occult basically includes any psychospiritual belief or technique for accessing psychism that exists outside of Christianity proper. It is such a massive umbrella term that it hardly has any meaning at all. But to reduce it down to "Satan worship" is a gross mischaracterization. To me, it's akin to insinuating that Catholicism is nothing but child abuse. These kinds of characterizations are clearly motivated by rival groups who are competing for a piece of "Spirituality, Inc." and ultimately want the whole pie.
 
#39
I think it would be interesting to invite guests from other faith traditions aside from fundamentalist/evangelical Christian streams to comment on some of the questions Skeptiko pursues. Lets bring on some legit Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, First Nations - not white folks from the suburbs who identify as these faiths after encountering a world religions course in college, but people who are steeped in these traditions and whose mindset has been built, block by block, by these streams from birth. Lets see what they have to say about the "occult" and lets let them define it by their own understanding instead of the histrionic shrieks of blue haired ladies from the 80s, still echoing down to us in this Year of Our Lord, 2020. Let us also hear from committed self-identified "occultists" and see how they define it and experience it.

Having American Republican Christians (are there any other kind?) come on and talk about the occult is like asking Warren Buffett to give a fair assessment of socialism. Ain't gonna happen. It's like those ancient accounts from the early church fathers about the beliefs of the gnostics - could those have possibly been fair and balanced?

To your standard American Republican Christian, the "occult" is synonymous with Satanism. Meanwhile, the occult basically includes any psychospiritual belief or technique for accessing psychism that exists outside of Christianity proper. It is such a massive umbrella term that it hardly has any meaning at all. But to reduce it down to "Satan worship" is a gross mischaracterization. To me, it's akin to insinuating that Catholicism is nothing but child abuse. These kinds of characterizations are clearly motivated by rival groups who are competing for a piece of "Spirituality, Inc." and ultimately want the whole pie.
Hi Philimon, say hi to Jung for me.
I think anybody (from any religion) has a fair shake to put their ideas in the forum and most would love to hear them to. Perhaps if you know any
try persuade them to chat with us so we can get a broader spread of ideas. I am allways nervous about people who are doctrinally fixed though.
One of my turning points was when my daughter asked me "what do we believe Daddy" and I realised that I could be leading her down a cul de sac.
 
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I think it would be interesting to invite guests from other faith traditions aside from fundamentalist/evangelical Christian streams to comment on some of the questions Skeptiko pursues. Lets bring on some legit Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, First Nations - not white folks from the suburbs who identify as these faiths after encountering a world religions course in college, but people who are steeped in these traditions and whose mindset has been built, block by block, by these streams from birth.
I think that's a great idea. Why don't you throw some names Alex's way? He's always open to suggestions. That said, since Islam and Buddhism are kinda universalized religions, I think the ethnicity of the speaker is not so important, more depends on the tradition they follow and how closely they do so.

I wish Vine Deloria, Jr. was till alive, he would have been a perfect First Nations guest - an anthropologist, an activist and a believer in the spiritual power of his people's practices. He was also into a fair bit of oddness (ancient aliens, etc.).



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_Deloria_Jr.

Let us also hear from committed self-identified "occultists" and see how they define it and experience it.
There have been quite a few of those on Skeptiko over the years.
 
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