William Ramsey, The Satanic Panic Head Fake |463|

#61
It's not objective at all, it's entirely a subjective process. The core question can be put in different terms in serial readings, and perhaps a slightly different take on the reply will be had. The question can be put in seemingly the same terms and a different aspect may present itself.
The question is then considered during meditation or during ritual work with deities or elementals. The answer is always going to be fuzzy, open to numerous interpretations.
It's a process of quizzing the part of the universe known as you - question and answer both arising from the same, unlocalised source.

So: not very consistent at all, or only as much as you mould it to be.:D

It is a process so entirely different to my mundane scientific or mathematical analysis work as to put it in another mode of being altogether. Which may be why I like it.
First, let me back off a little from the stridency of my last post. :)

So, now maybe I'll say that, yes, it can be subjective, as is, I suppose, everything that involves an interpreting mind, but it all depends on how and why one is reading the Tarot. For example, if ones main goal is psychological exploration and or situation brainstorming, then, sure, it's all very subjective. But if one takes an approach that assigns specific meanings to specific cards that combine and interact in specific ways and applies this to predicting future events or current but unknown situations, then we are starting to move up the sliding scale a little toward something that starts looking like objectivity. Predictions can be verified. This is called fortune-telling, I suppose. How it works is anyone's guess, but, in my experience, it does work - sometimes with startling accuracy. That said, there is always, of course, a degree of cold reading involved as situational context is applied to the cards at hand.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to let my flakey flag fly.

Oh, and I also like the Morgan Greer. Except for card VI. I hear slap bass and funk guitar every time I see the thing.

 
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#62
First, let me back off a little from the stridency of my last post. :)

So, now maybe I'll say that, yes, it can be subjective, as is, I suppose, everything that involves an interpreting mind, but it all depends on how and why one is reading the Tarot. For example, if ones main goal is psychological exploration and or situation brainstorming, then, sure, it's all very subjective. But if one takes an approach that assigns specific meanings to specific cards that combine and interact in specific ways and applies this to predicting future events or current but unknown situations, then we are starting to move up the sliding scale a little toward something that starts looking like objectivity. Predictions can be verified. This is called fortune-telling, I suppose. How it works is anyone's guess, but, in my experience, it does work - sometimes with startling accuracy. That said, there is always, of course, a degree of cold reading involved as situational context is applied to the cards at hand.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to let my flakey flag fly.

Oh, and I also like the Morgan Greer. Except for card VI. I hear slap bass and funk guitar every time I see the thing.

I didn't find anything strident about your reply, to be honest - and I guess we're allowed to disagree, even vehemently:)
But yes, I do use the Tarot in a pseudo-psychological way, exploring my own (and occasionally others') connection to and interaction with the divine.
I really haven't seen a good, honest "future telling" reading up to now, but then I'm a noted hermit who doesn't even interact much with other Pagans.
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#63
This morning I had a session with a survivor of Satanic ritual abuse. It occurred some 40 years ago. Today, the victim is nearly bed-ridden by a full body skin rash. Her desires are to expand into her brilliant ability to pay attention and to have the rash fade away. This work teaches me a lot about the depths of evil and the resources of light.

When I mentioned the Crowley tarot deck, it wasn't intended to invite a critique of tarot decks. My point was after using the cards for a short while 30 years ago, I could feel the evil of their creator and I discarded them. Since then, I have been done with Crowley. He is no use to me nor to anyone else who is using extended consciousness for beneficial purposes. It's enough to know that his magic is black. I don't avoid evil. I dive into it. Nor do I muck around in it for curiosity's sake. My message is Evil has tentacles; avoid playing with them.
 
#64
This morning I had a session with a survivor of Satanic ritual abuse. It occurred some 40 years ago. Today, the victim is nearly bed-ridden by a full body skin rash. Her desires are to expand into her brilliant ability to pay attention and to have the rash fade away. This work teaches me a lot about the depths of evil and the resources of light.

When I mentioned the Crowley tarot deck, it wasn't intended to invite a critique of tarot decks. My point was after using the cards for a short while 30 years ago, I could feel the evil of their creator and I discarded them. Since then, I have been done with Crowley. He is no use to me nor to anyone else who is using extended consciousness for beneficial purposes. It's enough to know that his magic is black. I don't avoid evil. I dive into it. Nor do I muck around in it for curiosity's sake. My message is Evil has tentacles; avoid playing with them.
Yeah, sorry about that.
I just kind of grabbed a sub-topic and ran with it.:) As you were.
 
#65
I really haven't seen a good, honest "future telling" reading up to now, but then I'm a noted hermit who doesn't even interact much with other Pagans.
I shall continue the off-topic drag, like a sucking undertow.... and I shall do so with a fortune-telling reading from my own notebook:

Okay, the question: Who shall be the first candidate eliminated form the UK Conservative Party leadership contest? This was done, I think, the day before the contest (thus the photo with date display on TV).

The cards drawn: Empress/Magician/World/Judgement/Tower



Okay, the Magician is a bad sign, it effects the cards on either side and shows something is not as it seems. The World symbolizing collectives, the literal world, as in society, groups, etc., and endings.... when combined with the Magician, I would say someone has overestimated their support, their campaign is coming to an end. Judgement (announcement) and the Tower (coming apart) show the delivery of bad news. Combine this with the Empress (a signifier of woman) and we can say the first candidate to be eliminated will be a woman (the Empress also mirrors the Tower in the draw). However, it is interesting to note that there are three figures in Judgement receiving the news.... and then two figures falling from the Tower. This visual rhyme could be significant. If we split this combo off as a separate and secondary reading, then we can say that two other candidates will be leaving the race.

So, the answer in brief: The first candidate to receive the least votes and be eliminated will be a woman. Two others will follow.

The result: After the voting, a female candidate (Empress) got the least votes and was eliminated. What I didn't know was that any candidate failing to reach a certain threshold of votes is automatically eliminated. Two other candidates did not meet this threshold (figures in Judgement and Tower).

Interestingly, there were also allegations of vote shifting to remove certain targeted contenders.... this would fit with the Magician's appearance in the draw.

QED.

So, you see, sort of subjective, but sort of objective, too, right?

Also, I left the initial question vague for practice reasons. If you wanted to know who specifically the eliminated candidate would be, as in by name, you'd have a more precise question, maybe even multiple ones. In hindsight, the Judgement Tower combo has narrowed the options down further by indicating a Vote Leave supporter. But I missed this at the time.
 
#66
The Wild & Wacky World of Conspiracy Disinformation

Good interview published yesterday of William Ramsey interviewing Steve Outrim.

Outrim is a Kiwi tech millionaire who spends his time investigating conspiracies, specializing in the occult world of Big Tech and Burning Man.

I have followed both for years and trust them.

In this episode Steve outlines the current state of Disinformation in the online Conspiracy World battlespace.

* How the PTB killed Pizzagate.

* How George Webb shut down the Port of Charleston and almost started a war.

* How Robert Steele discredited Alex Jones and got him kicked off social media.

* Issac Kappy's "suicide".

* The Information Warfare that got President Trump elected.

Streaming: https://www.spreaker.com/user/williamramsey/outtrim

MP3: https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41316576/outtrim_audio.mp3

I liked this short over-view because I don't have time to follow this wonderfully wild stuff closely.
 

Alex

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#68
The Wild & Wacky World of Conspiracy Disinformation

Good interview published yesterday of William Ramsey interviewing Steve Outrim.

Outrim is a Kiwi tech millionaire who spends his time investigating conspiracies, specializing in the occult world of Big Tech and Burning Man.

I have followed both for years and trust them.

In this episode Steve outlines the current state of Disinformation in the online Conspiracy World battlespace.

* How the PTB killed Pizzagate.

* How George Webb shut down the Port of Charleston and almost started a war.

* How Robert Steele discredited Alex Jones and got him kicked off social media.

* Issac Kappy's "suicide".

* The Information Warfare that got President Trump elected.

Streaming: https://www.spreaker.com/user/williamramsey/outtrim

MP3: https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41316576/outtrim_audio.mp3

I liked this short over-view because I don't have time to follow this wonderfully wild stuff closely.
nice. thx. queued :)
 
#69
nice. thx. queued :)
You're very welcome.

For some reason William Ramsey deleted this interview from his RSS feed and his YouTube channel.

Sadly, I already deleted my copy, but I can't recall anything they said which might make him fear retaliation from The Powers That Be.

But then, I don't know how vicious some of those Disinfo Agents are because I don't listen to them. Steve Outrim seems to be genuinely afraid of them.
 

Alex

Administrator
#70
You're very welcome.

For some reason William Ramsey deleted this interview from his RSS feed and his YouTube channel.

Sadly, I already deleted my copy, but I can't recall anything they said which might make him fear retaliation from The Powers That Be.

But then, I don't know how vicious some of those Disinfo Agents are because I don't listen to them. Steve Outrim seems to be genuinely afraid of them.
very strange... just listened today and now it's gone.
 
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