Charlie Primero
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I suffer from OCD.
And we benefit. :) Good summary.
I suffer from OCD.
And we benefit. :) Good summary.
Long time listener and occasional forum lurker here. Feeling the need to share my personal concerns about the direction that this podcast and forum seems to have been moving for the past few years now, not only because I love the show but also because I’m open to the idea that I’m missing out on important info here.
It seems the focus of the show has gradually shifted from inquiries into the nature of consciousness, exploration of radical scientific theories, NDEs, etc. to the entertaining of (what appears to me to be) increasingly dubious conspiracy theories. And actually, “entertaining” is probably the wrong word here; many times I hear Alex refer to such theories as if their validity were self-evident (e.g. climate change hoax, covid-19 plandemic, 911 inside job, materialist/physicalist agenda of the scientific elite). I think I’ve even heard Alex lend credence to pizzagate at one point.
Before I proceed, I want to acknowledge that
Lately I’ve heard Alex come down on Bernardo Kastrup, implying that his idealist arguments are weakened by not getting the conspiracy thing right. I’m sure I’m in the minority here but I think he’s actually got it exactly right. Occam’s Razor is the first tool that should be employed when looking at any theory and I don’t see many of these theories surviving the cut.
- I haven’t deeply investigated any of these theories
- Some conspiracy theories have been validated (e.g. mk-ultra, watergate)
- I’m open to the idea that I might be wrong about a lot of this
- I’m probably wrong about a lot of this
I get it, the allure of conspiracy theories is pretty obvious:
The thing is, conspiracies of any magnitude are incredibly hard to pull off. Any conspiracy is predicated on secrecy, and secrecy on such a massive scale requires an equally massive coordinated effort to keep the truth hidden. And, as we know, people are notoriously bad at keeping secrets. We see whistleblowing at all levels of government, victims of all types of abuse eventually come forward to accuse their wrongdoers, the truth tends to come out. Taking the 1968 moon landing hoax as an example, a study by Dr David Grimes of Oxford determined that there would have to be 411,000 people involved with maintaining the conspiracy and, based on his equations, it would have been revealed in about 3.7 years. Of course this is just his estimate and I can’t speak to the quality of this work but common sense would indicate that this is eminently plausible. Applying this logic to the 911 conspiracy theory, if it were true could it really have remained intact for the past 19+ years?
- Epistemic: It feels good to know more than your peers; the mysteries of the world seem less opaque; presents a clear target on which to focus outrage
- Existential: you believe your knowledge about the underlying and largely secret machinations of society or the world in general will better equip you to survive and thrive in it
- Transcendental: This special knowledge gives you a sense of community with others who share it, sense of belonging (e.g. this forum)
As Mitch Horowitz put it on a recent podcast (paraphrased) “Conspiracy theories satisfy man’s perpetual search for an enemy”. To me the conspiratorial mindset is overwhelmingly gloomy, tends to breed cynicism, paranoia and extreme mistrust of others, an “us vs. them” attitude...definitely not a fun way to live life. Obviously conspiracy theories shouldn’t be discarded just because we don’t like the world they describe, I’d just like to see more skepticism and diligence employed in their assessment, here and on the podcast.
Sorry this got so long, but all this said, many people much smarter and more educated on the subject (including Alex and Gordon White of Rune soup) see it very differently so my mind is open. What am I missing?
The ONLY way to match what happened was with a global simultaneous failure of all internal columns followed by a global simultaneous failure of all outer columns over 8 stories some where below the 16th story... was the only way to account for the observable phenomena.
Testimony of explosions and molten steel, even burning steel as well as forensic evidence support the conclusion.
This highlights one of my points - how do you know any of that? You're just choosing to rely on what one group of people says over others. You don't understand how something happened. A small group confirms that your eyes aren't deceiving you and you align with them. Why trust those guys? How thorough was the analysis they did? How in depth their knowledge? How honest are they?
Any controlled demolition of a building that size, in the manner described by CTers, would have been preceded by explosions estimated to measure 120-130dB at half a mile away.
There are no credible recordings or witnesses to this.
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...ard-in-videos-of-known-controlled-demolitionsAlthough some on this thread have cleared the way to invoke alien tech...
That’s why I said ‘credible’...Don't quote me; but there's this...
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...ard-in-videos-of-known-controlled-demolitions
Long time listener and occasional forum lurker here. Feeling the need to share my personal concerns about the direction that this podcast and forum seems to have been moving for the past few years now, not only because I love the show but also because I’m open to the idea that I’m missing out on important info here.
It seems the focus of the show has gradually shifted from inquiries into the nature of consciousness, exploration of radical scientific theories, NDEs, etc. to the entertaining of (what appears to me to be) increasingly dubious conspiracy theories. And actually, “entertaining” is probably the wrong word here; many times I hear Alex refer to such theories as if their validity were self-evident (e.g. climate change hoax, covid-19 plandemic, 911 inside job, materialist/physicalist agenda of the scientific elite). I think I’ve even heard Alex lend credence to pizzagate at one point.
Before I proceed, I want to acknowledge that
Lately I’ve heard Alex come down on Bernardo Kastrup, implying that his idealist arguments are weakened by not getting the conspiracy thing right. I’m sure I’m in the minority here but I think he’s actually got it exactly right. Occam’s Razor is the first tool that should be employed when looking at any theory and I don’t see many of these theories surviving the cut.
- I haven’t deeply investigated any of these theories
- Some conspiracy theories have been validated (e.g. mk-ultra, watergate)
- I’m open to the idea that I might be wrong about a lot of this
- I’m probably wrong about a lot of this
I get it, the allure of conspiracy theories is pretty obvious:
The thing is, conspiracies of any magnitude are incredibly hard to pull off. Any conspiracy is predicated on secrecy, and secrecy on such a massive scale requires an equally massive coordinated effort to keep the truth hidden. And, as we know, people are notoriously bad at keeping secrets. We see whistleblowing at all levels of government, victims of all types of abuse eventually come forward to accuse their wrongdoers, the truth tends to come out. Taking the 1968 moon landing hoax as an example, a study by Dr David Grimes of Oxford determined that there would have to be 411,000 people involved with maintaining the conspiracy and, based on his equations, it would have been revealed in about 3.7 years. Of course this is just his estimate and I can’t speak to the quality of this work but common sense would indicate that this is eminently plausible. Applying this logic to the 911 conspiracy theory, if it were true could it really have remained intact for the past 19+ years?
- Epistemic: It feels good to know more than your peers; the mysteries of the world seem less opaque; presents a clear target on which to focus outrage
- Existential: you believe your knowledge about the underlying and largely secret machinations of society or the world in general will better equip you to survive and thrive in it
- Transcendental: This special knowledge gives you a sense of community with others who share it, sense of belonging (e.g. this forum)
As Mitch Horowitz put it on a recent podcast (paraphrased) “Conspiracy theories satisfy man’s perpetual search for an enemy”. To me the conspiratorial mindset is overwhelmingly gloomy, tends to breed cynicism, paranoia and extreme mistrust of others, an “us vs. them” attitude...definitely not a fun way to live life. Obviously conspiracy theories shouldn’t be discarded just because we don’t like the world they describe, I’d just like to see more skepticism and diligence employed in their assessment, here and on the podcast.
Sorry this got so long, but all this said, many people much smarter and more educated on the subject (including Alex and Gordon White of Rune soup) see it very differently so my mind is open. What am I missing?