Andy Paquette, Mask Science, Big Lie? |523|

It's been explained to you repeatedly. You just don't want to accept the explanation because you're a troll.

Once again, have a heart attack, get hit by a bus, just get old and croak and there is a positive covid test, then it's covid death. For that matter, have appendicitis and the sniffles, the sniffles are presumed to be covid and you are now listed as a covid death.

What makes you think that every death listed as covid had ARDS?Show that data, troll.

Do you realize that every year many people die from ARDS? Were they all covid? Pneumonia causes ARDS as does the flu. Where are all of those deaths in 2020/2021. Somehow disappeared while "covid" deaths surged.

The tests are inaccurate and will state that any detected coronavirus (could be common cold) or even any flu = covid19. Also, fragments of covid DNA that are ubiquitous in the environment get labeled as covid infection.

Also, hospitals are paid at a higher rate on DRG reimbursements if there is a covid diagnosis on the claim.

Then there's just plain blatant lying to cover up for failed policy, poor care delivery, in pursuit of more money.

You, as usual, fail to address points that you should be able to -like why is the CDC not using rates for its excess death BS? Can you explain why with a growing and aging population age/sex adjusted rates are not used instead of raw numbers? Of course, but we all know you're not here for honest discussion. Why was the death rate in the US higher in some other years in the US since 2000???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Eric, who are you replying to - hopefully not Michael Larkin's post immediately preceding this.

David
 
I'd say it isn't okay to stitch together sequences on a computer and call the result a viral infective agent. Even if you find many such sequences consistently associated with a disease, that's no proof that it or a putative viral agent is the ultimate cause. Correlation ain't causation.

The only way I'm aware of (in the case of an infective disease) to prove a putative infective agent causes a particular malady is to isolate a pure sample of the agent, infect a previously unifected organism, and subsequently take and purify another sample from that second organism to infect a third. These are Koch's postulates, and they hold good for many multicellular organisms such as platyhelminth parasites, as well as some fungi and bacteria. Problem is, viruses are so small and there are many virus-like particles in cells (such as exosomes). So virologists rarely bother and call scorn on Koch's postulates. They have to, because otherwise people would see through their word games. Identification isn't isolation.

I don't know whether Sars-CoV-2 is real and the causative agent of Covid-19. Maybe so, maybe not. That's why I'm asking for evidence. If it's provided, fair enough.

Many people fail to draw the distinction between the name of a disease and its cause. AIDs isn't necessarily synonymous with HIV, and COVID-19 isn't necessarily synonymous with Sars-CoV-2. To claim that, one has to prove it uncontrovertibly. People can jump up and down and stamp their feet all they want, but it ain't gonna change that scientific requirement one iota.
That is interesting, because as you know there has been quite a bit of heated discussion about this point on this forum and elsewhere.

I am inclined to agree, there is a very slippery evidential slope here. For example, we are told that this virus contains an ACE2 receptor, but unless its sequence differs significantly (and consistently) from the human ACE2 receptor, who is to say where this fragment of RNA originated? The fragments could also have come from more other organisms - goodness knows how many different species you find in a typical nose swab!

So much flaky science has been tolerated by now, I don't know where it will end.

David
 
So how do AIDS drugs work? The manufacturers say they are based on targeting a virus. It's a virus based model. The dugs work. Is it just a broken clock syndrome? They got lucky? AIDS is actually caused by a fungus?
No it may be much easier to understand than you realise. AIDS is a syndrome in which people fall prey to other infections - particularly various fungal infections. Those drugs are effective for treating fungal infections, but they are considered too toxic for that purpose. Go figure!

There are some very slippery issues involved in AIDS and as discussed above, the method of identifying virus leaves much to be desired. It is analogous to ripping up the text of 100 speeches, and then trying to identify the contents of one speech by scrabbling through the mess. Remember that DNA/RNA are just long strings of bases - usually written as letters, of course. My analogy is extraordinarily close.

David
 
As people are aggressively put on vents, ARDS will be very prevalent. No surprise that if the assumption is covid (for whatever reason) and the patients are put on a vent, the majority of the patients will have ARDS. Vents cause ARDS.

Vents don't cause ARDS. People are put on vents because they have ARDS. People aren't put on vents for some other reason, and then get ARDS from the vent. The ARDS or acute lung damage comes from COVID.

You are confusing this with Ventilator Induced Lung Injury, which is a real thing, and which is part of the balancing act between keeping people alive while they (hopefully) recover from COVID ARDS, and not making things worse. But the underlying problem is that it is very difficult to recover from ARDS, including COVID ARDS. And if you have to use vent settings that are so high they cause damage (early in the pandemic, there was discussion/argument about whether physicians were using unnecessarily high settings), then your ARDS is too bad for recovery. (My brother-in-law is an ICU physician, and he went over this for me (once he stopped laughing at me for "arguing with morons" (I know you're not a moron, but he has way less patience with the misinformation than I do)))

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33847219
 
Vents don't cause ARDS. People are put on vents because they have ARDS. People aren't put on vents for some other reason, and then get ARDS from the vent. The ARDS or acute lung damage comes from COVID.

You are confusing this with Ventilator Induced Lung Injury, which is a real thing, and which is part of the balancing act between keeping people alive while they (hopefully) recover from COVID ARDS, and not making things worse. But the underlying problem is that it is very difficult to recover from ARDS, including COVID ARDS. And if you have to use vent settings that are so high they cause damage (early in the pandemic, there was discussion/argument about whether physicians were using unnecessarily high settings), then your ARDS is too bad for recovery. (My brother-in-law is an ICU physician, and he went over this for me (once he stopped laughing at me for "arguing with morons" (I know you're not a moron, but he has way less patience with the misinformation than I do)))

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33847219

Once again you are quoting some perfect text book world scenario. In real life, vents cause infections (sepsis). Sepsis is the most common cause of ARDS. Vents also cause aspiration pneumonia. Another thing you probably don't know is that when patients are put on vents they are usually drugged into a stupor and deliberately chemically induced paralysis. The drugs can also lead to ARDS and overdose. Vents are extremely dangerous and a case where the cure just might kill you. Again, that's in the real world. You should check it out some time.

Here are some causes of ARDS.
  • Sepsis: The most common cause of ARDS, a serious infection in the lungs (pneumonia) or other organs with widespread inflammation.
  • Aspiration pneumonia: Aspiration of stomach contents into the lungs may cause severe lung damage and ARDS.
  • Pancreatitis (severe inflammation in the pancreas), and massive blood transfusion.
  • Major trauma and burns: Accidents and falls may directly damage the lungs or other organs in the body that trigger severe inflammation injury in the lungs.
  • Inhalational injury: Breathing and exposure to high concentrations of chemical fumes or smoke.
  • Drug overdose: An overdose on drugs like cocaine and opioids.
 
Once again you are quoting some perfect text book world scenario. In real life, vents cause infections (sepsis). Sepsis is the most common cause of ARDS. Vents also cause aspiration pneumonia. Another thing you probably don't know is that when patients are put on vents they are usually drugged into a stupor and deliberately chemically induced paralysis. The drugs can also lead to ARDS and overdose. Vents are extremely dangerous and a case where the cure just might kill you. Again, that's in the real world. You should check it out some time.

Here are some causes of ARDS.
  • Sepsis: The most common cause of ARDS, a serious infection in the lungs (pneumonia) or other organs with widespread inflammation.
  • Aspiration pneumonia: Aspiration of stomach contents into the lungs may cause severe lung damage and ARDS.
  • Pancreatitis (severe inflammation in the pancreas), and massive blood transfusion.
  • Major trauma and burns: Accidents and falls may directly damage the lungs or other organs in the body that trigger severe inflammation injury in the lungs.
  • Inhalational injury: Breathing and exposure to high concentrations of chemical fumes or smoke.
  • Drug overdose: An overdose on drugs like cocaine and opioids.
I already linked to a article listing those causes of ARDS, and even mentioned them myself. I'm not quoting just from a academic examples, but from people who actually know what they are talking about. I don't care what CT/FE nuggets you want to offer.
 
Also, maybe we could remember that the US isn't the world, and that the Fake COVID Conspiracy Theory which has all the greedy US doctors and and insurance companies in on the scam, doesn't work to explain the CT outside of the US.
I never said insurance companies are behind any of this.

I'm beginning to see that you have a serious problem understanding real world phenomena; like if you offer to pay %13 more for an encounter involving covid - in a year when elective surgeries and other bread and butter services are cancelled - then the hospitals are going to start submitting more claims with a covid diagnosis somewhere on them.

Once they have submitted claims and other records w/ covid diagnoses, if the patient dies, they pretty much have to say it was covid that did it, or they would be exposing themselves to the risk of fraud. Medical fraud and waste = $ billions every year. It's a common thing.

As for the other countries, I think there are different forces at work. Covid is a way for the government to gain more power - and governments always seek more power. That said, some countries bucked the trend. In Nothern Europe a ew countries ignored the others and stayed open and have declared covid the equivalent of an annual flu that we'll jut have to live with, no masks, no vaccine mandated. Who really knows what is happening in Asia? All you know about that is the little the news tells you and we all know the news can't be trusted.
 
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I already linked to a article listing those causes of ARDS, and even mentioned them myself. I'm not quoting just from a academic examples, but from people who actually know what they are talking about. I don't care what CT/FE nuggets you want to offer.
Now it's a CT to state that vents kill patients?

Dude, you are out of your mind. It is known and established that vents are extremely dangerous last ditch procedures.

btw - I work with Medical Directors all of the time. I have known about the risks of vents for many years.
 
Now it's a CT to state that vents kill patients?

Dude, you are out of your mind. It is known and established that vents are extremely dangerous last ditch procedures.

btw - I work with Medical Directors all of the time. I have known about the risks of vents for many years.

I specifically referred to Ventillation Induced Lung Injury, and stated that it's a "balancing act between keeping people alive while they (hopefully) recover from COVID ARDS, and not making things worse." So obviously I'm not saying it's a CT/FE nugget to state that vents kill patients. It's a CT/FE nugget to state that "vents cause ARDS" (which, BTW, was not part of your list of causes of ARDS), and that the bulk of the ARDS from COVID isn't from COVID, but from putting people on vents for some other reason ("A patient has trouble breathing, ventilate them! Now they're dead with ARDS. Write it up as covid and collect some extra money."). Or that they have COVID but they don't have ARDS until after they are put on vents - don't put them on vents and the bulk of them won't get ARDS. That's the CT/FE nugget - reversing the cause effect when "ARDS can be expected in a patient that is ventilated" from "on a vent because of ARDS" to "ARDS from the vent".

I never said it was congestive heart failure. Try to be honest, please. I said congestive heart failure can lead to fluid in the lungs that could diagnosed as ARDS. ARDS kills around 150K -200K Americans each year. It's not a specific condition. Many tests have to be performed to differentiate it from other conditions, like fluid in the lungs from heart failure. Little in practical medicine in the real world is a specific condition. Anyhow, ARDS has many causes. As the population ages, the raw numbers will be higher. Medicine is as much art as it is science. Doctors misdiagnose all of the time. As I have said before medical errors kill conservatively 350,000 Americans each year.A patient has trouble breathing, ventilate them! Now they're dead with ARDS. Write it up as covid and collect some extra money. Actually, with ARDS, usually the final cause of death is organ failure. Whatever. The hospital director directs the coding teams on how to code the encounter so as to maximize hospital revenues. Things do not work according to whatever protocols you want them.

As people are aggressively put on vents, ARDS will be very prevalent. No surprise that if the assumption is covid (for whatever reason) and the patients are put on a vent, the majority of the patients will have ARDS. Vents cause ARDS. That's what killed a lot of people in the early days of the covid panic in New Jersey and NYC and in Italy.

So the prevalence of ARDS can be expected in a population that ventilated. It means nothing that you want it to.
 
I never said insurance companies are behind any of this.

I'm beginning to see that you have a serious problem understanding real world phenomena; like if you offer to pay %13 more for an encounter involving covid - in a year when elective surgeries and other bread and butter services are cancelled - then the hospitals are going to start submitting more claims with a covid diagnosis somewhere on them.

Once they have submitted claims and other records w/ covid diagnoses, if the patient dies, they pretty much have to say it was covid that did it, or they would be exposing themselves to the risk of fraud. Medical fraud and waste = $ billions every year. It's a common thing.

As for the other countries, I think there are different forces at work. Covid is a way for the government to gain more power - and governments always seek more power. That said, some countries bucked the trend. In Nothern Europe a ew countries ignored the others and stayed open and have declared covid the equivalent of an annual flu that we'll jut have to live with, no masks, no vaccine mandated. Who really knows what is happening in Asia? All you know about that is the little the news tells you and we all know the news can't be trusted.

Again, not interested in your unreferenced, unsupported CT/FE claims. Of course people act in their own self-interest. But it's a whole other thing to engage in fraud, and especially to account for a sudden explosion in fraud on the scale needed to erase hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths. Vague references to "committing fraud in order to avoid get caught committing fraud" doesn't explain why all of a sudden the 99.9% of the health care providers who weren't making shit up decided to do so in this case.

And again, even if every COVID death was miscoded, that doesn't account for the 750,000+ EXCESS DEATHS since the pandemic began. Unless, you want to make the CT/FE claim that doctors have begun murdering patients on a vast scale, solely to collect a few hundred dollars each, it still means you have to come up for some other reason that way, way, way more people died since the pandemic started than can be accounted for by "people dying at their actuarily expected year of death".
 
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The reason I came on today was to show Alex one of the signs in our town :) I also wanted to post a "musical" Listen people... WE HAVE A PROBLEM and they ARE LYING TO US ALL! Do not get the jab! Something is off! WAY off! If you need just one more person to encourage you to fight back, let it be me today. Fear IS NOT a virtue.

Now for your musical interlude: https://www.bitchute.com/video/DD87uzpTkG5J/
awesome! downloaded and shared.
 
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Right now I trust that Andy, Alex, David, Tatiana & several others on here are trying to figure out exactly what is going on here.

Frankly, I'm for hanging all the liars. However, somebody on here pointed out we were missing the main point. Nobody has the right to tell us what we can & can not put in our bodies (Let's go, Brandon). I'm not going to change my line in the sand.

Meanwhile, I'd like to enlighten as many young people & support people who are trying to save the children & humanity from this insanity. All of us know something is going on & it isn't right.

ALL OF US. We at least know this vaccine will NOT protect you from getting OR GIVING out this "Covid". So it is useless & stupid to tell unvaxxed people they are killing anyone (as the vaccinated are probably killing themselves & maybe shedding this gene modifier). They themselves are getting Covid & still spreading it.

Unless & until they start telling the truth I say they are liars & killers. Look at your news, they are not showing the hundreds of thousands of protesters worldwide! Or reporting actual deaths/complications from the jab. The only good news from this is that CNN viewer rate has dropped under 800,000.

I just looked up Joe Rogans viewer ratings.. wow over 11 million per episode. Fox at over 2 million.
I watch Rogan so...
 
Again, not interested in your unreferenced, unsupported CT/FE claims. Of course people act in their own self-interest. But it's a whole other thing to engage in fraud, and especially to account for a sudden explosion in fraud on the scale needed to erase hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths. Vague references to "committing fraud in order to avoid get caught committing fraud" doesn't explain why all of a sudden the 99.9% of the health care providers who weren't making shit up decided to do so in this case.

Whatever dude. You're talking to someone (me) with 20 years experience in healthcare insurance. Create whatever fantasy world argument you want to. You're only convincing me that you're clueless and bring nothing to the table.

again, even if every COVID death was miscoded, that doesn't account for the 750,000+ EXCESS DEATHS since the pandemic began. Unless, you want to make the CT/FE claim that doctors have begun murdering patients on a vast scale, solely to collect a few hundred dollars each, it still means you have to come up for some other reason that way, way, way more people died since the pandemic started than can be accounted for by "people dying at their actuarily expected year of death".

We have been over this dozens of times. I dispute the 750K excess death figure. It's way too high. The statistic needs to be age/sex adjusted rates, as opposed to raw numbers. You still need to tell me how the 2020 mortality rate compares to each of the past 20 years rates. I noticed you won't touch that question (dishonest scaredie cat).

I have also stated that there are some excess deaths and those are primarily due to deferred care and other issues caused by covid policy and the disease itself. You can believe me or not. You still need to explain how someone can have a heart attack or appendicitis, not get medical help, and live.

You still need to tele how the % of elderly dying has remained flat comparing pre-covid to post-covid. Covid allegedly disproportionately kills the elderly. The CDC even says so. If there is a pandemic, then a higher % of elderly should have died in 2020 and 2021. That hasn't happened.

You don't find it odd that the average and median age of death attributed to covid just happens to be the avg age of death/expected life span before covid? Doesn't stimulate any thoughts in your trollish little brain?

Your entire schtick is selectively quoting government sources and saying that is reality. Well, that and misrepresenting what studies and experts are saying.
 
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Again, not interested in your unreferenced, unsupported CT/FE claims. Of course people act in their own self-interest. But it's a whole other thing to engage in fraud, and especially to account for a sudden explosion in fraud on the scale needed to erase hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths. Vague references to "committing fraud in order to avoid get caught committing fraud" doesn't explain why all of a sudden the 99.9% of the health care providers who weren't making shit up decided to do so in this case.

And again, even if every COVID death was miscoded, that doesn't account for the 750,000+ EXCESS DEATHS since the pandemic began. Unless, you want to make the CT/FE claim that doctors have begun murdering patients on a vast scale, solely to collect a few hundred dollars each, it still means you have to come up for some other reason that way, way, way more people died since the pandemic started than can be accounted for by "people dying at their actuarily expected year of death".
It's called a time series interrupted study. Yes. Introduce an incentive, like higher payment for an encounter with a covid diagnosis, in a year when hospitals are getting financially slaughtered, and you are going to see a spike in fraud at the same point in time; specifically in coding a covid diagnosis on claims.

This isn't rocket science.

Adding a covid diagnosis isn't really that big of step toward fraud in the big scheme of things and the context of medical fraud. This is especially true if the tests are overly sensitive and therefore returning a positive result on everything, including the ham sandwich you made for lunch.
 
Eric,

The excess mortality question is one of interest to me. You're asking good questions, to my view, regarding the statistical significance of a year or year analysis (vs a longer time frame).

Found a NYT article. Can't vouch for the analysis obviously, but it shows this historical:

Screenshot 2021-11-10 102909.png

This one is interesting for those railing against modern medicine, science, big pharma, etc. (i.e., not you Eric) as it shows the long term, steady decline in mortality rates:

Screenshot 2021-11-10 103133.png
Hard to tell exactly, but it looks like the death/thousand rate was at or below the year 2000. It does appear to be a meaningful data point.

Anyway, would be curious for your interpretation Eric as I know you look at this type of "big data" professionally. Sure feels like something happened. Exactly what is a worthwhile debate/analysis.

(Source article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html )
 
Eric,

The excess mortality question is one of interest to me. You're asking good questions, to my view, regarding the statistical significance of a year or year analysis (vs a longer time frame).

Found a NYT article. Can't vouch for the analysis obviously, but it shows this historical:

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This one is interesting for those railing against modern medicine, science, big pharma, etc. (i.e., not you Eric) as it shows the long term, steady decline in mortality rates:

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Hard to tell exactly, but it looks like the death/thousand rate was at or below the year 2000. It does appear to be a meaningful data point.

Anyway, would be curious for your interpretation Eric as I know you look at this type of "big data" professionally. Sure feels like something happened. Exactly what is a worthwhile debate/analysis.

(Source article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html )

Hi Silence,
I can't speak to the New York Times graphs. Who knows what they're up to.

Mortality rates in the US have been falling in the past few years and then did increase in 2020, but that was expected to be seen to some extent prior to covid. One of the factors involved factors in that expectation is an aging population. There is a wave of baby boomers who are now hitting the US average age of death. There is a large increase in third world immigrants (legal and illegal) who typically have poor health status and outcomes (a cultural thing largely). Unexpected was the result of covid policies that I have already mentioned (neglected elderly, reduced access to care, drug ODs, etc.). A lot of people barely hanging on and without much of an expected remaining life span were pushed over the edge by lack of care in 2020. These people would have expired in the next few years and been part of the expected boomer mortality surge, but covid policies killed them early and we have a cluster of deaths in 2020 that would have been spread out between 2020 and 2024. So not even the policy caused deaths were truly unexpected, they just clumped together slightly sooner. And yes, covid did harvest a few, just as any flu season does, like in 2016.

For perspective, the age/sex adjusted US mortality rates in 2000 - 2004 were higher than 2020. In 2020 we have a mortallity rate of 828.7, which is indeed scary when compared to 2019 (715.2). However in 2000 the rate was 869 and in 2003 it was still as high as 848.5.

Was the nation in a panic over deaths in the early 2000s?

The CDC is basing it's so called excess death statistics off a 2017 - 2019 baseline. That is not an honest baseline. As I said, in the business, we were expecting to see an increase in mortality beginning in 2020 that will continue for the next couple of decades. I think you can easily find confirmation of everything I just said on line.
 
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The statistic needs to be age/sex adjusted rates, as opposed to raw numbers. You still need to tell me how the 2020 mortality rate compares to each of the past 20 years rates.

I gave you that information, several times. The first link I gave you was for age/sex adjusted 2019 - the pre-COVID mortality rates. The second link is the age/sex adjusted rates for 2020. There was an overall increase in mortality of almost 16%. You can also compare to the mortality rates from the past 20 years, but there are only small +/- 1 or 2 percentage changes from year to year. There is nothing comparable to this huge increase in the age/sex adjusted mortality rates until you go back to the 1918 Influenza pandemic.

I have also stated that there are some excess deaths and those are primarily due to deferred care and other issues caused by covid policy and the disease itself.

I agree, and so do the people who wrote the report for the CDC "Excess Deaths" site. There are small differences between the number of excess deaths and the number of COVID deaths, which may be due to some deferred care.

You still need to tele how the % of elderly dying has remained flat comparing pre-covid to post-covid.

But it hasn't remained flat. The % of elderly dying increased by 13.4% from pre to post-COVID.

https://www.skeptiko-forum.com/thre...-science-big-lie-523.4768/page-12#post-158377
 
I gave you that information, several times. The first link I gave you was for age/sex adjusted 2019 - the pre-COVID mortality rates. The second link is the age/sex adjusted rates for 2020. There was an overall increase in mortality of almost 16%. You can also compare to the mortality rates from the past 20 years, but there are only small +/- 1 or 2 percentage changes from year to year. There is nothing comparable to this huge increase in the age/sex adjusted mortality rates until you go back to the 1918 Influenza pandemic.

I asked for each of the past 20 years rates. Why can't you ever be straight? See my response to Silence immediately above wherein I answer my own question because you're too disingenuous to do it.

Was there a killer virus in 2000 - 2004? Were you shrieking about it then (if you were even born yet)?



it hasn't remained flat. The % of elderly dying increased by 13.4% from pre to post-COVID.

https://www.skeptiko-forum.com/thre...-science-big-lie-523.4768/page-12#post-158377
You are not addressing my point. You are deflecting, as usual.
Obviously if mortality rate increases, then the rate for the elderly will increase. Obviously the elderly will die too from neglect,lack of care, etc. That's not what I'm talking about now.

What I am saying is that the % of total deaths represented by the elderly is the same post-covid as it was pre-covid. That is impossible if there is a disease that is killing more people than usually and the people it is killing are disproportionately the elderly (which every source claims- i.e. the avg age of alleged covid death is 79 to 81 depending on geography).

Basically, I am looking at the situation the same way the researcher in this link did - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iO0K75EZAF8dkNDkDmM3L4zNNY0X-Xw5/view

Her work was valid then and remains valid today. Someone like you didn't like that inconvenient truth and tried to cancel her. Fortunately, people like me are able to replicate and build upon her work.
 
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[QUOTE="Eric Newhill, post: 158890, member: 4146]Her work was valid then and remains valid today. Someone like you didn't like that inconvenient truth and tried to cancel her. Fortunately, people like me are able to replicate and build upon her work.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Her work has been completely debunked. She is effectively comparing apples and bananas which is a bad approach in statistics. Unfortunately laymen don’t understand that and just go with her conclusion because it supports their bias.
 
Her work has been completely debunked. She is effectively comparing apples and bananas which is a bad approach in statistics. Unfortunately laymen don’t understand that and just go with her conclusion because it supports their bias.
because you say so? Somehow I don't find that convincing.

You're wrong, IMO.

Her work is straight forward and makes perfect sense. I'm not a layman. Maybe you are.

But perhaps you will enlighten us all by explaining, in your own words, what you see as apples and bananas.

Try to follow along, SBU - the concept is that the percent of total deaths that are elderly hasn't changed since before covid through covid. This is problematic because covid predominantly kills the elderly. Therefore, if there is new disease that is killing a lot more elderly - above and beyond normal - then the percent of total deaths that are elderly should have increased meaningfully after covid. However, the percent remains unchanged.

Very simple. Not seeing any bananas and apples.

You probably just read the fact checkers (aka Ministry of truth) didn't understand methodology enough and just believed whatever nonsense they threw out as a smoke screen.
 
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Eric, I will make my argument extremely simpel. She projects the total number of deaths in 2020 to be 2,818,527. The current provisional number stands at 3,358,814 deaths.

[FONT=Open Sans, apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, Segoe UI, Helvetica Neue, arial, sans-serif]I could go on with age-adjusted mortality rates, etc. but at the end of the day I think you would be challenged as a layperson to follow the arguments. I will leave you in peace with your biases.[/FONT]
 
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