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To summarise:
Santiago to Auckland = 11 hours
LA to Auckland = 12 hours

This does NOT fit with the disc world model. According to the disc world model, Santiago via the south Pacific is about twice(!) as far as LA is to NZ.
This is awesome. Thanks for putting forward the data of Personal experience! When I have a chance I'll take a look at the pathways on the maps. I have no reason to doubt you but it will be fun to see it. Then it once I have confirmed for myself, I'll throw it at the next flat earther I run into and see if they dodge it or engage.
 
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You can see here the approximate flight times
 

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And you can see on Gleson's disc world map that you linked to, that EVEN IF we just draw a straight line between the cities, LA to Auckland, and Santiago to Auckland, that the former is far less distance than the latter. But in REALITY the former takes LONGER to fly than the latter...

In other words, the disc world model is incorrect no matter which flight path one takes: straight lines according to the disc world model or straight in the globe model.

Btw, I'm sure that the flight from Santiago to Auckland was via the south Pacific though, as I was paying close attention, which disproves the disc model even more.....
 
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Btw, I'm sure that the flight from Santiago to Auckland was via the south Pacific though, as I was paying close attention, which disproves the disc model even more...

I was able to see the book that Robbiedigital linked to, but I couldn’t really confirm it’s premise (examples) without access to a Globe of the World that I could put a piece of string between the cities on the different continents that he uses as examples.

What I do know is that in the northern hemisphere aircraft appear to set off in quite a different direction from its Origin to what we might assume. Take LHR - LAX for example. They quite often fly northerly from LHR out towards Manchester/ Glasgow before setting out over the Atlantic. This is sometimes partly to avoid the core of westerly jet streams but it is also because following the direct route (called Great Circle route) from London on a globe takes you first heading north west and as you approach LAX the heading will be more southerly than westerly.

You can fly a constant track( or heading with no wind) but it will be significantly further, if I remember correctly this is called Rhumb Line Track. Modern navigation systems use Great Circle (direct) tracks.

The same must be true for very long haul trips in the Southern Hemisphere, like the example you gave above. Except this time you’d set heading South Westerly from Santiago and approach approach Auckland heading North Westerly.

Prevailing winds will maybe make a big difference on some routes, LHR-LAX being a good example. It may be worth following more of a Rhumb-line track to get the benefit of tailwinds or avoid headwinds. It’s a trade off worked out by computers somewhere. Twin engined aeroplanes have to stay with a certain distance of suitable airports, if some part of the certification process is not current, for example a pilot is out of check but he’s the only one available that may limit the planes ability to fly direct on some routes.

I have personally only done a handful of 12hour trips, but they were not between cities that were good examples of what I’m talking about, (London-Phuket, Honolulu-Xiamen are two I remember) and a handful is not enough to get a proper feel for them. I mainly flew medium charter and later short haul from the UK.

What do the FEarthers say about bathwater going down plugholes in opposite directions in London/Sydney?

I wasn’t very impressed by his examples, but at the same time, I wasn’t trying hard to follow his arguments.
 
I was able to see the book that Robbiedigital linked to, but I couldn’t really confirm it’s premise (examples) without access to a Globe of the World that I could put a piece of string between the cities on the different continents that he uses as examples.

What I do know is that in the northern hemisphere aircraft appear to set off in quite a different direction from its Origin to what we might assume. Take LHR - LAX for example. They quite often fly northerly from LHR out towards Manchester/ Glasgow before setting out over the Atlantic. This is sometimes partly to avoid the core of westerly jet streams but it is also because following the direct route (called Great Circle route) from London on a globe takes you first heading north west and as you approach LAX the heading will be more southerly than westerly.

You can fly a constant track( or heading with no wind) but it will be significantly further, if I remember correctly this is called Rhumb Line Track. Modern navigation systems use Great Circle (direct) tracks.

The same must be true for very long haul trips in the Southern Hemisphere, like the example you gave above. Except this time you’d set heading South Westerly from Santiago and approach approach Auckland heading North Westerly.

Prevailing winds will maybe make a big difference on some routes, LHR-LAX being a good example. It may be worth following more of a Rhumb-line track to get the benefit of tailwinds or avoid headwinds. It’s a trade off worked out by computers somewhere. Twin engined aeroplanes have to stay with a certain distance of suitable airports, if some part of the certification process is not current, for example a pilot is out of check but he’s the only one available that may limit the planes ability to fly direct on some routes.

I have personally only done a handful of 12hour trips, but they were not between cities that were good examples of what I’m talking about, (London-Phuket, Honolulu-Xiamen are two I remember) and a handful is not enough to get a proper feel for them. I mainly flew medium charter and later short haul from the UK.

What do the FEarthers say about bathwater going down plugholes in opposite directions in London/Sydney?

I wasn’t very impressed by his examples, but at the same time, I wasn’t trying hard to follow his arguments.
I must admit, I find pilots as super-hero like people and love reading your posts on the topic. I know its a bit silly to some, but the (still) amazing ability for humans to fly AND the awesome responsibility pilots take on behalf of their passengers is what keeps me a bit childlike when I step on a plane and see the pilots. (Just got done with a bit of cross country travel with my family to California; safe and sound!)

Hats off to you Steve!
 
By the way, there’s something…magical about a quality globe of the earth. I’ve always wanted one but never got around to getting one. If we had a bigger place I’d definitely invest in one. Maybe it’d draw out any flat Earther friends into the open? ;)
 
What do you mean by that Steve?

That’s kind of you, thanks Nelson.
Some good friends see me differently now because of my questioning Covid, Vaccines and my thinking about the war in Ukraine. I believe I was forced out of another couple of forums, well, I was kicked out of one and chose to leave the other members in peace with another.
I find that it’s really not that easy being a contrarian. Fortunately my wife and I think alike.
 
That’s kind of you, thanks Nelson.
Some good friends see me differently now because of my questioning Covid, Vaccines and my thinking about the war in Ukraine. I believe I was forced out of another couple of forums, well, I was kicked out of one and chose to leave the other members in peace with another.
I find that it’s really not that easy being a contrarian. Fortunately my wife and I think alike.

Same here man. When I Iook back to 2019, the last couple of years were super intense.
 
What do you mean by that Steve?
Even though it's just a forum and we sometimes give each other a hard time in debate mode, you seem like a likeable person :)
He is actually quite likable and while we've never met personally, we've corresponded in both public and private formats. I'm a big fan of Steve's even if we don't see perfectly eye to eye on some topics. I highly suspect its more a biproduct of the medium vs an indication that we wouldn't like each other in a face to face setting.
 
You keep mentioning other topics: space program, speculative astrophysics

On these subjects I agree with you to an extent. There's a lot of disinfo.

But let's just focus on the one question: whether or not the Earth is a globe. To answer that, we don't need to rely on NASA or speculative astrophysics

Btw, the way you keep shifting tracks to NASA etc. reminds me of the Rob and Trish interview. All Alex wanted to do was talk about the sea level change in Miami, but Trish and Rob always brought it back to polar bears and flooding.

Dude, don't compare me to those two jaded idiots. Granted, I respect their book career, but they spew exactly what the main stream media wants them to spew. Likewise, if you think the Earth is a globe, you are are spewing exactly what the main stream media wants you to spew. Turn on the TV and watch how nearly every network has some rendition of a globe before they program you. Does that prove the earth is flat or a globe, no it doesn't, but it does show that "globe" is an agenda. That being said, could the earth be a globe? - Or could it be flat? To me, this debate is fucking obviously a "democrat vs. republican" kind of nonsense.

Like I mentioned before, if you study flight patterns and emergency stops, the globe earth makes no sense. Also, if you study how rivers flow across supposed enormous curvatures over long distances, then the globe observation makes no sense. Furthermore, if you even look into Antarctica a little bit, the globe model makes little to no sense. Does a flat model supersede it? I don't think so. Both models have serious flaws in them, but I think the flat earth model that you don't read about from "the flat earth society" is more realistic than the globe model as far as our everyday lives operate. Just a straight up model that we can demonstrate: how the hell is Kansas flatter than a pancake? Apply the curvature theory to Kansas. It doesn't work! Does that mean Kansas is a huge plateau? Maybe it is, but we would have to demonstrate the drop off with the adjacent states. Also, when you listen to all these talking heads for science, they are constantly saying contradictory shit.

For example, Neil Degras Tyson says, in one science channel episode, that the earth would be more perfect than the perfect marble, and smoother, by comparison of contrast in size. Later, this idiot is saying the earth is pear shaped?!? Which is it? A fucking pear is nothing like a perfectly shaped marble. Go test this theory out, go try to shoot pears instead of marbles!

Do I believe in a demonstrable, physical reality? Fuck yes, I do! Do you believe in a demonstrable, physical reality? What I am telling you, and yes, this will be hard to swallow, is that there is absolutely no definitive proof that our earth is a globe, whatsoever at all. I know, people that believe the globe will tell you stupid shit like "you believe in ultra pragmatism." Nevertheless, their belief in a globe is an absolute faith altogether. It is a media based faith. Our reality, through Newtonian physics, contradicts itself in a "globe world."

How would I attempt to reconcile the globe theory with reality? As a particle physicist, I would say that the properties of enormous physical bodies have some "spooky action." Maybe I would call that spooky action gravity and draw all kinds of other baseless conclusion upon that sand castle in the sky. Next, your shit theory is running out, so you have to talk about "dark matter." Didn't these assholes do this with things at a micro level, as well? - Double slit theory, so forth?

Finally, we reach this base level of science whereas we think that certain scientists, such as Dean Radin, have some kind of special insight into reality. Spiritualists put so much faith into this guy, and then he gets on Skeptiko and basically declares, "I am a transhumanist!"

I kind of see a rubber band effect going on with this "science" vs "religion" phenomenon. On one hand, you see all these fucking religious people pulling a luddite response to anything technical. To me, that itself is a kind of retardation. On the other hand, you have all of these science people denying that anything from God exists, yet they are practicing all this spirit cooking kind of bullshit. I think that the disconnect is that we are failing to realize that God is not only in ourselves, but in everything else. I think the mistake is to assume that we can become the God that created all this shit. Also, I think it is a mistake to fall into any particular system, whether it is one of belief or disbelief. Also, I think it is idiocy to say things like "It is all about the light."

Darkness has a place in our reality, and that doesn't make it bad. Yes, light is great, but it is also about darkness. Furthermore, darkness does not mean diabolical human actions. Darkness is the doorway to your inner light, and likewise, your inner light has a lot of darkness around it.

By the way....love you brother, and thanks for the response.
 
From my perspective, the REAL psyop is clearly the one preventing Real Science from providing the most basic experiments for the general public - clearly in order to maintain a boundary. And those who poo-poo the calls for said experiments are helping maintain that boundary. And the more that boundary is bolstered, the easier it becomes for the Scientific Cabal to squeal "CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!" whenever people question authorities like Anthony Fauci.
They do this by causing "real scientists' the to emote a feeling of "I'd love to set up the experiment to prove ________ wrong, but I can't be seen entertaining it or the Cabal will have my career for breakfast." After which a life buoy floats out to them labeled “I’m above this” which causes them to emote just enough pride to forget how much fun the obvious experiment sounded like it would be.

Question:
Stretch out a 3 mile long garden hose with 3 risers (one on each end and one in the middle). fill it up with water and shoot a laser accross the water level of the three points. How much higher will the water in the center be than it is at the ends?

How about with a 30 mile hose?
300?
3000?

I'm a plumber by the way. This is level 1 stuff.

Fucking Robbedigital getting to the root of the problem! Love it, brother! Dude, there was a plumber that challenged the dark matter theory, but his name escapes me at the moment. People need to read and reread what you wrote here.
 
By the way, there’s something…magical about a quality globe of the earth. I’ve always wanted one but never got around to getting one. If we had a bigger place I’d definitely invest in one. Maybe it’d draw out any flat Earther friends into the open? ;)

Love your input, Steve, but clear your mind, go out into nature, and look around. This was something that I had to do at first, and again, I know this pisses people off, but keep in mind that I am not a flat earther. Nevertheless, the "globe earth" is just as real as the "plandemic" to me, at this point. Also, this space shit has run its game. It is obviously money laundering. How the fuck are we planning a Mars landing when we can't even get back to the moon again; if we ever made it there in the first place? Furthermore, "as above so below" is a bullshit saying that only works for so long. First of all, we have zero evidence of any life on any other planet besides a smoke and mirror show from whom.....NASA that has supposedly discovered bacteria from mars, somehow. One day we have 9 planets, then Pluto gets demoted, next we have 8. Now we have fuckin planet 9 supposedly flying in the distance, and a rogue planet flying around that is about to hit us. Again, money laundering.

Also, flip on the science channel. They have a couple of tools talking about discovering planets and so forth, but all of it is based upon vague observations of flickering light through telescopes. Non of it is confirmed.

Not to beat a dead, full of shit, drum, but this same kind of nonsense plays into the so called "spiritual realm." If we look into the highest levels of what is going on at CERN, or even governmental bodies, we see a concerted effort toward transhumanism. I see that as the real enemy, not democrat vs republican, nor flat earth vs globe earth.
 
But something I still don't think too unlikely is the growing Earth model. Apart from the Arctic Sea, it seems to fit with the observed world:
I don't see why there couldn't be a combination of expansion and tectonic plate drift.
Why does it have to be one versus the other?

 
Dude, don't compare me to those two jaded idiots. Granted, I respect their book career, but they spew exactly what the main stream media wants them to spew. Likewise, if you think the Earth is a globe, you are are spewing exactly what the main stream media wants you to spew. Turn on the TV and watch how nearly every network has some rendition of a globe before they program you. Does that prove the earth is flat or a globe, no it doesn't, but it does show that "globe" is an agenda. That being said, could the earth be a globe? - Or could it be flat? To me, this debate is fucking obviously a "democrat vs. republican" kind of nonsense.

Like I mentioned before, if you study flight patterns and emergency stops, the globe earth makes no sense. Also, if you study how rivers flow across supposed enormous curvatures over long distances, then the globe observation makes no sense. Furthermore, if you even look into Antarctica a little bit, the globe model makes little to no sense. Does a flat model supersede it? I don't think so. Both models have serious flaws in them, but I think the flat earth model that you don't read about from "the flat earth society" is more realistic than the globe model as far as our everyday lives operate. Just a straight up model that we can demonstrate: how the hell is Kansas flatter than a pancake? Apply the curvature theory to Kansas. It doesn't work! Does that mean Kansas is a huge plateau? Maybe it is, but we would have to demonstrate the drop off with the adjacent states. Also, when you listen to all these talking heads for science, they are constantly saying contradictory shit.

For example, Neil Degras Tyson says, in one science channel episode, that the earth would be more perfect than the perfect marble, and smoother, by comparison of contrast in size. Later, this idiot is saying the earth is pear shaped?!? Which is it? A fucking pear is nothing like a perfectly shaped marble. Go test this theory out, go try to shoot pears instead of marbles!

Do I believe in a demonstrable, physical reality? Fuck yes, I do! Do you believe in a demonstrable, physical reality? What I am telling you, and yes, this will be hard to swallow, is that there is absolutely no definitive proof that our earth is a globe, whatsoever at all. I know, people that believe the globe will tell you stupid shit like "you believe in ultra pragmatism." Nevertheless, their belief in a globe is an absolute faith altogether. It is a media based faith. Our reality, through Newtonian physics, contradicts itself in a "globe world."

How would I attempt to reconcile the globe theory with reality? As a particle physicist, I would say that the properties of enormous physical bodies have some "spooky action." Maybe I would call that spooky action gravity and draw all kinds of other baseless conclusion upon that sand castle in the sky. Next, your shit theory is running out, so you have to talk about "dark matter." Didn't these assholes do this with things at a micro level, as well? - Double slit theory, so forth?

Finally, we reach this base level of science whereas we think that certain scientists, such as Dean Radin, have some kind of special insight into reality. Spiritualists put so much faith into this guy, and then he gets on Skeptiko and basically declares, "I am a transhumanist!"

I kind of see a rubber band effect going on with this "science" vs "religion" phenomenon. On one hand, you see all these fucking religious people pulling a luddite response to anything technical. To me, that itself is a kind of retardation. On the other hand, you have all of these science people denying that anything from God exists, yet they are practicing all this spirit cooking kind of bullshit. I think that the disconnect is that we are failing to realize that God is not only in ourselves, but in everything else. I think the mistake is to assume that we can become the God that created all this shit. Also, I think it is a mistake to fall into any particular system, whether it is one of belief or disbelief. Also, I think it is idiocy to say things like "It is all about the light."

Darkness has a place in our reality, and that doesn't make it bad. Yes, light is great, but it is also about darkness. Furthermore, darkness does not mean diabolical human actions. Darkness is the doorway to your inner light, and likewise, your inner light has a lot of darkness around it.

By the way....love you brother, and thanks for the response.

Bro, I love you too. What you write I agree with for the most part. I disagree on some points too. For example, how can I fly from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland?
How is this explainable?
A plane Earth model doesn't seem to fit this, but a globe Earth model does
What other model could explain this?

And I'm not going to be convinced by a flight pattern chart, because I've flown a lot and know that the flight patterns matched with a globe Earth. I also am not going to be convinced by Kansas being completely flat, because I can't test this. On the physics side of things I agree with you. What people call "gravity" isn't really understood
 
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