Andy Rouse, Deep Share Swapcast |554|

[J Randall Murphy]

By the way, there’s something…magical about a quality globe of the earth ...

Way back in the alternative underground grunge days, our drummer Mark ( great guy — became an awesome goldsmith ) had an illuminated globe that we used as a stage prop ...

Speaking Of Illuminated Spheres

 

[J Randall Murphy]

It's generating a whole new production company
It's the next big leap after IMAX

 

[Nelson]

In the flat earth model that actually holds some kind of sense to it, the earth isn't a disc. Rather, it is thought of as a plane.

How would you summarise the plane Earth model?

And btw, I went to a star observatory last night with a girlfriend who's a physicist. We found there a Foucault pendulum. This is good old-fashioned science from the 19th century that one can easily test for oneself. Difficult to explain it any other way other than that the world is rotating

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

 

[Steve]

Love your input, Steve, but clear your mind, go out into nature, and look around. This was something that I had to do at first, and again, I know this pisses people off, but keep in mind that I am not a flat earther. Nevertheless, the "globe earth" is just as real as the "plandemic" to me, at this point.

“Love your input, Steve” Then you say I ought to go out into nature and look around - clear my mind?

You‘re right. This kind of pisses me off. I’ve no idea what you’re on about with this flat earth shite - and to me it is definitely shite, as for me the evidence just is not there. :)

Does it make any difference? Yes, I think it does. It allows people to get away with the woke shite as well as the pandemic shite that‘s going on everywhere now - because if I don’t question you and your wishy washy ‘globe earth’ then it means that anything goes. That may be ok if there weren’t dark hearted individuals around looking at taking advantage of others - but unfortunately there are.

 

[Nelson]

Dude, don't compare me to those two jaded idiots. Granted, I respect their book career, but they spew exactly what the main stream media wants them to spew.

I don't want to give you too much of a hard time, because I enjoy corresponding with you and you are far more aware of things than Trish and Rob Mcgregor. Nevertheless, even though you've been making true points, in one way you've essentially been doing the same thing as Rob and Trish Mcgregor, insofar as opening up many cans of worms when we're just talking about one thing...

The question is (what I've now often asked):

How does a flat earth model explain that I can fly from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland...?

No distractions. I just want to hear the answer to that one question.

 

[Nelson]

Like RG, I’m not sold on either view, mainly because my life nor work depends on confirming it 100%.

The more I think about it, the more I see that the Flat Earth theory IS an important topic. It's the topic par excellence of a psyop used to discredit alternative worldviews.

This might sound over the top, but it MIGHT come down to life or GENOCIDE hanging on this one question.

After all, to escape genocide might be a seemingly small difference that has enormous repercussions. If just (say) 1% of the population are turned off from alternative ways of thinking because they heard alternative thinkers giving too much credence to the Flat Earth theory, that 1% might have made the difference between victory or losing... an Orwellian world of a boot stomping on a human face forever.....

That's why we HAVE to be ruthless about discrediting the Flat Earth theory. Just shrugging one's shoulders and saying it's not that important ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

 

[Alex]

This might sound over the top, but it MIGHT come down to life or GENOCIDE hanging on this one question.

After all, to escape genocide might be a seemingly small difference that has enormous repercussions. If just (say) 1% of the population are turned off from alternative ways of thinking because they heard alternative thinkers giving too much credence to the Flat Earth theory, that 1% might have made the difference between victory or losing... an Orwellian world of a boot stomping on a human face forever.....

I get the essence of what you're saying, but I think we have to go all out level three when we talk about Flat Earth. it's not that it' s wrong... or as they say " not even wrong" (i.e. doesn't rise to the level of serious right versus wrong consideration). it's that it is an OP ( and I understand that you are saying the same in this post).

But I think the game Masters ( think Hunger Games) might look at it slightly differently. first off, I don't think they're playing for 1% of the population... that's way too big of a number. I think they're looking at this relatively small but, influential in its own way, " truther community" as their target. if they can get a few percent within that population to believe... and this is the really important part.... if they can get a substantial percentage of that community to go along to get along... profess spherical neutrality... say everyone's opinion matters... say Eddie Bravo and Kyrie think it so it's ok if you think it to. well, I think if you can do that... and there is no doubt that they have 100% accomplished all those goals... then the op is a success.

But I also think in the bigger picture this op may be a very small project. I would imagine that it wasn't even a project... more of a " side Hustle"... a fortunate opportunity that fell in their laps and basically ran itself. just put a little bit of wind behind those flat earth sails and let nature take its course.

I mean, when you compare the Flat Earth op to all the OPs in the UAP / UFO / ET arena... well, I think there's no comparison with regard to time, effort, money, priority. or, imagine all the OPs in the political arena... makes your head spin :)

 

[Nelson]

I get the essence of what you're saying, but I think we have to go all out level three when we talk about Flat Earth. it's not that it' s wrong... or as they say " not even wrong" (i.e. doesn't rise to the level of serious right versus wrong consideration). it's that it is an OP ( and I understand that you are saying the same in this post).

But I think the game Masters ( think Hunger Games) might look at it slightly differently. first off, I don't think they're playing for 1% of the population... that's way too big of a number. I think they're looking at this relatively small but, influential in its own way, " truther community" as their target. if they can get a few percent within that population to believe... and this is the really important part.... if they can get a substantial percentage of that community to go along to get along... profess spherical neutrality... say everyone's opinion matters... say Eddie Bravo and Kyrie think it so it's ok if you think it to. well, I think if you can do that... and there is no doubt that they have 100% accomplished all those goals... then the op is a success.

But I also think in the bigger picture this op may be a very small project. I would imagine that it wasn't even a project... more of a " side Hustle"... a fortunate opportunity that fell in their laps and basically ran itself. just put a little bit of wind behind those flat earth sails and let nature take its course.

I mean, when you compare the Flat Earth op to all the OPs in the UAP / UFO / ET arena... well, I think there's no comparison with regard to time, effort, money, priority. or, imagine all the OPs in the political arena... makes your head spin :)

I see what you mean. If you remember that google analytics chart I posted for "Flat Earth" mentions on the internet, there were 3 huge spikes in the number of mentions over the years. From my experience of witnessing the first spike some years ago, the game masters were almost certainly using an automated messaging system and/or sockpuppet accounts to spam comment sections with the Flat Earth meme. That's also why I'm so convinced it's an op: an inorganic, copy and paste spamming on a massive scale

Based on the numbers, it seems to have almost run its course in no longer being so often talked about. But as you pointed out, their psyop is effective if it only infects a portion of alternative thinking people, or by them being neutral on the matter

 

[Silence]

I get the essence of what you're saying, but I think we have to go all out level three when we talk about Flat Earth. it's not that it' s wrong... or as they say " not even wrong" (i.e. doesn't rise to the level of serious right versus wrong consideration). it's that it is an OP ( and I understand that you are saying the same in this post).

But I think the game Masters ( think Hunger Games) might look at it slightly differently. first off, I don't think they're playing for 1% of the population... that's way too big of a number. I think they're looking at this relatively small but, influential in its own way, " truther community" as their target. if they can get a few percent within that population to believe... and this is the really important part.... if they can get a substantial percentage of that community to go along to get along... profess spherical neutrality... say everyone's opinion matters... say Eddie Bravo and Kyrie think it so it's ok if you think it to. well, I think if you can do that... and there is no doubt that they have 100% accomplished all those goals... then the op is a success.

But I also think in the bigger picture this op may be a very small project. I would imagine that it wasn't even a project... more of a " side Hustle"... a fortunate opportunity that fell in their laps and basically ran itself. just put a little bit of wind behind those flat earth sails and let nature take its course.

I mean, when you compare the Flat Earth op to all the OPs in the UAP / UFO / ET arena... well, I think there's no comparison with regard to time, effort, money, priority. or, imagine all the OPs in the political arena... makes your head spin :)

Who's the "they" here Alex and can you share the evidence that's convinced you of them?

 

[Alex]

I see what you mean. If you remember that google analytics chart I posted for "Flat Earth" mentions on the internet, there were 3 huge spikes in the number of mentions over the years. From my experience of witnessing the first spike some years ago, the game masters were almost certainly using an automated messaging system and/or sockpuppet accounts to spam comment sections with the Flat Earth meme. That's also why I'm so convinced it's an op: an inorganic, copy and paste spamming on a massive scale

Yes. remember that post. it was great do you have it at your fingertips where you can post it again?

Also, I think you make a good point about the sock puppet related tech that they have no doubt developed... and are continuing to develop... exponential growth industry no doubt :)

Has anyone stumbled across any hard data on how this is done.

Based on the numbers, it seems to have almost run its course in no longer being so often talked about. But as you pointed out, their psyop is effective if it only infects a portion of alternative thinking people, or by them being neutral on the matter

Agreed. additionally, I have to wonder if "run its course" might sometimes be part of the op.

build it up just to tear it down... and ridicule all those who ever got behind it.... " oh, you again, you're one of those idiots who fell for the flat-earth thing a few years ago"

 

[Nelson]

Here's the google analytics graph for "Flat Earth" again:

 

[J Randall Murphy]

;... But I think the game Masters ( think Hunger Games) ...

Excellent saga.

 

[ReptilianGypsy]

Bro, I love you too. What you write I agree with for the most part. I disagree on some points too. For example, how can I fly from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland?
How is this explainable?
A plane Earth model doesn't seem to fit this, but a globe Earth model does
What other model could explain this?

And I'm not going to be convinced by a flight pattern chart, because I've flown a lot and know that the flight patterns matched with a globe Earth. I also am not going to be convinced by Kansas being completely flat, because I can't test this. On the physics side of things I agree with you. What people call "gravity" isn't really understood

Again, have to remind you, love you to Nelson, but talk to actual pilots. Don't you find it somewhat strange that the ones who mention that they don't think that they are flying around a globe lose their pilot license? Why is that a qualification to fly? I think that is quite simple about how you are flying from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland......because you are flying from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland. This has nothing to with the shape of the Earth. Rather, fly from North pole to south pole, all the way around. This shit never happens! Wish me luck, as I am doing an Ace of Spades Scratch off that has a $100,000 prize. If I win that, then we can do some nice experiments!

 

[ReptilianGypsy]

How would you summarise the plane Earth model?

And btw, I went to a star observatory last night with a girlfriend who's a physicist. We found there a Foucault pendulum. This is good old-fashioned science from the 19th century that one can easily test for oneself. Difficult to explain it any other way other than that the world is rotating

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

I saw one of those Foucault's Pendulum when I was young. I think it was at the Smithsonian institute in San Francisco. That shit was fucking huge! Obviously, it moves at it does, but saying that it is proving that we live on a globe is a huge jump. Equally, I could take a gyroscope and prove that we live on a plain plane. When I used to fabricate Ouija boards and play with pendulums, I found that the pendulum was the least reliable to determine anything. Surprisingly, I had an outstanding amount of success of supernatural dabbling with Ouija boards, but I don't think the ones from Hasbro are as effective. Perhaps that makes me a luddite in some ways. Nevertheless, the luddites had some interesting points, but I think they were too busy pretending to be virtuous.

 

[ReptilianGypsy]

“Love your input, Steve” Then you say I ought to go out into nature and look around - clear my mind?

You‘re right. This kind of pisses me off. I’ve no idea what you’re on about with this flat earth shite - and to me it is definitely shite, as for me the evidence just is not there. :)

Does it make any difference? Yes, I think it does. It allows people to get away with the woke shite as well as the pandemic shite that‘s going on everywhere now - because if I don’t question you and your wishy washy ‘globe earth’ then it means that anything goes. That may be ok if there weren’t dark hearted individuals around looking at taking advantage of others - but unfortunately there are.

Steve, dog, I respect that you said shite instead of shit, and you have inspired me to use that word at my work meeting this Monday. The focus certainly should not be on "flat earth shit," because there is a lot of that as a distraction. I think the focus should be on this so called "globe, heliocentric" shite, that has been shoved into all our hearts and minds since the time that we were born. Also, we need to see how that ties into transhumanism, and what that means. I think Eric Dubay is a fucking idiot incapable of exploring any idea beyond his predisposed paradigm, but I will still explore all ideas. I have had discussions with that jack ass, and he cuts you off as soon as you say anything that contradicts his jaded beliefs. It kind of pisses me off that a guy I highly respect, namely, Eddie Bravo, thinks that Eric Dubay is actually fucking intelligent. Nevertheless, that is Eddie's right, and I still love that dude.

Likewise, I used to think anything regarding "flat earth" was shit, but it isn't. You can physically observe distances that you should not be able to observe using the mathematical formula for the curvature of the Earth. Anybody can do this. This isn't a great mystery, it is demonstrable. This is what shocks me about Alex's stance on these kind of things. He says, and I am paraphrasing, "I looked at flat earth theory for about 30 seconds, then determined it was absolute bullshit!"

What if I said something like this: "I looked into the near death experience thing and the reincarnation thing for 30 seconds, and it is absolutely fucking bullshit!"

This doesn't mean that "all ideas are plausible," but it means, truthfully, if you go out and try to measure curvature to the earth, you can't fucking demonstrate that. Why is this? The only agencies that tell us that the Earth is a globe are the media and the government. If you had absolutely no influence through these either diabolically controlled institutions, or, at best, stupid as fuck and covering their ass kind of institutions, then you would have no reason to believe that the Earth is a globe.

How is reincarnation and NDE more plausible than living on a flat plane? You can actually measure shit in this realm, you can't measure reincarnation and NDE, but those are more likely?

 

[Alex]

Who's the "they" here Alex and can you share the evidence that's convinced you of them?

richard doty is they. the strawberry ice cream convinced me.

 

[Nelson]

I saw one of those Foucault's Pendulum when I was young. I think it was at the Smithsonian institute in San Francisco. That shit was fucking huge! Obviously, it moves at it does, but saying that it is proving that we live on a globe is a huge jump. Equally, I could take a gyroscope and prove that we live on a plain plane. When I used to fabricate Ouija boards and play with pendulums, I found that the pendulum was the least reliable to determine anything. Surprisingly, I had an outstanding amount of success of supernatural dabbling with Ouija boards, but I don't think the ones from Hasbro are as effective. Perhaps that makes me a luddite in some ways. Nevertheless, the luddites had some interesting points, but I think they were too busy pretending to be virtuous.

Yes, the Faucoult's pendulum we saw was huge. It apparently moves reliably its line of swinging 360 degrees in 24 hours.
Maybe if the Earth were a plane and spinning this phenomenon would make sense.
But it DOES make sense with the rotating globe model.

Then there's the corialis effect.

Then there's the fact that in the south of the Earth the Sun is towards the north and the constellations are upside down. E.g. Orion looks more like a pot...

This all makes perfect sense if the Earth is a globe
But how does one explain these phenomena with a plane Earth model?

 

[Nelson]

talk to actual pilots. Don't you find it somewhat strange that the ones who mention that they don't think that they are flying around a globe lose their pilot license? Why is that a qualification to fly?

I have family members who are pilots. They speak their minds on controversial topics. I haven't heard them ever even mention flat earth

I think that is quite simple about how you are flying from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland......because you are flying from Auckland to LA to London to Singapore to Auckland. This has nothing to with the shape of the Earth.

As I've already shown though, it does have something to do with the shape of the Earth, especially when one adds other coordinates, such as Santiago. Then check the flight times. You'll see that the flight times fit a globe, not a plane

Rather, fly from North pole to south pole, all the way around. This shit never happens! Wish me luck, as I am doing an Ace of Spades Scratch off that has a $100,000 prize. If I win that, then we can do some nice experiments!

Flying over Antarctica is extremely dangerous. One of the only passenger aircrashes in New Zealand history happened there with the Erebus crash. Once a plane goes down over Antarctica, survival is extremely unlikely

 

[Steve]

Flying over Antarctica is extremely dangerous. One of the only passenger aircrashes in New Zealand history happened there with the Erebus crash. Once a plane goes down over Antarctica, survival is extremely unlikely

You have me thinking. I instinctively think flying over either pole is basically ‘extremely dangerous‘ if the plane is forced to crash land. I guess we’re simply betting our lives that the aeroplanes are extremely reliable and not thinking about it if we do. But, as you imply, given a choice, I’d probably rather be over the Arctic than the Antarctic,

The Erebus accident was a sightseeing trip that went wrong - smacking into a hill at any jet speed (say >220 kts) will be fatal for all passengers and crew, with any exceptions being extremely lucky. I remember reading how badly Air New Zealand behaved in the aftermath when they attempted to cover things up. Thinking that a reputable company like ANZ would contain unlikely villains! It was a life lesson I should have taken on board more rigorously than I did at the time.

 

[Steve]

What if I said something like this: "I looked into the near death experience thing and the reincarnation thing for 30 seconds, and it is absolutely fucking bullshit!"

I hear what you’re saying, but I still disagree about FE. To me you are making contradictory statements, one minute you say you’re not a flat Earther, but the next you’re defending the theory? Are you fucking with us???? ;) “30 seconds“ is too little time to dismiss any vaguely complex theory, but taking all the evidence we have, plus my personal experience vibing with that evidence - I must say that it being wrong is the only conclusion I can come to without doubting my sanity. NDEs take a long time to come to any position, I am a fan of them, have my own thinking about them, feel I can often get an insight into someone by the way they embrace/dismiss the phenomenon. But I have NO definite conclusions! They’re certainly highly interesting. Is flat earth equally intriguing? I have often said that I don’t believe or disbelieve anything 100%, I think we have to maintain room for doubt, even if it’s tiny !

You say real pilots are losing their licences ( medicals ?) as a result of their beliefs. Mmm, if true then it’s a tricky one. I can see how it might be seen as a manager, with all their responsibilities, either perceived or otherwise. Can you provide any links or videos as evidence ? If someone had been flying for some years, passing their checks comfortably before their beliefs being ‘found out’, I can see no reason that they should be removed from their post as either a Captain or First Officer - I would prefer that they had shown the ability to carry out the responsibility of being a Captain though. I would definitely not fast track them for any position where their views could come to the fore and possibly put people in danger, I would need evidence over some significant time. Sort of like the mRNA vaccines!!!

I tend to doubt it’s relevance. However I also think I’d probably be outvoted by my peers, but perhaps not.

Personally I’d be far more concerned about the faculty members and doctors tweets & thinking this video is about. Such people are the dangerous types Imo.