Bruce de Torres, 9/11, JFK, Covid Are We Part of the Show? |511|

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Yeah, I can't link to it either. Guess I'll try the old-fashioned way. Through the back door...
In through the out door, as Led Zeppelin would say.
Meaning, just go into the podcast page and find it that way. Link to another one if not in browser...
 
#5
Good chat.
Bell curve. Funny.
Might work in a broad and general sense, but not as the world wakes up more and more to the slave society perpetuated for eons.
Abuse or lack of respect for other lifeforms is NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE. ALL lifeforms.
So, as those one to six degrees of separation from the blatantly willing and knowledgeable participants become aware, being complicit or complacent won't excuse acceptance of said FUCKED UP SYSTEM.
So exciting to live in a time where I get to witness and participate to it being brought to its knees and UTTERLY DESTROYED.
Lies built on lies built on lies can no longer support the weight. Not much to do besides not supporting it as much as possible and staying out of the way as it collapses. And building the thing that works in the meanwhile.
The village. Community.
Or maybe it's just a fun little Circus Maximus to sport around in. Fiddle fuck with this or that. And wait out THE END.
 
#6
Thoroughly enjoyed this whole episode.

Regarding the Bell Curve discussion near the end of the episode, as it relates to the wealthiest .0001 percent and global population concerns,

Of the 100’s of hours of McKenna talks I’ve listened to, I believe it was one of the Trialogues with Sheldrake and Abraham, but unfortunately I’ve been unable to find the clip.. (if you know it PLEASE link me)..
Terence says that the #1 predictor for reducing population in the 3rd world is education of young females. So, why does this matter?? Well, when’s the last time you heard this mentioned by any of the wealthiest Overpopulationists or Climate Change advocates??
Answer: They don’t mention it.
Why don’t they mention it??
Answer: Because this solution empowers the wrong people.
 
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Thoroughly enjoyed this whole episode.

Regarding the Bell Curve discussion near the end of the episode, as it relates to the wealthiest .0001 percent and global population concerns,

Of the 100’s of hours of McKenna talks I’ve listened to, I believe it was one of the Trialogues with Sheldrake and Abraham, but unfortunately I’ve been unable to find the clip.. (if you know it PLEASE link me)..
Terence says that the #1 predictor for reducing population in the 3rd world is education of young females. So, why does this matter?? Well, when’s the last time you heard this mentioned by any of the wealthiest Overpopulationists or Climate Change advocates??
Answer: They don’t mention it.
Why don’t they mention it??
Answer: Because this solution empowers the wrong people.
I hear you... I'm just not totally convinced money works that way. during the last election cycle it was revealed that hunter was pimping out sleepy joe to the chinese or something in the neighborhood of 10 to 15 million dollars. this seems like an incredibly small amount of money for the amount of evil these guys are willing to be a part of.
 
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I hear you... I'm just not totally convinced money works that way. during the last election cycle it was revealed that hunter was pimping out sleepy joe to the chinese or something in the neighborhood of 10 to 15 million dollars. this seems like an incredibly small amount of money for the amount of evil these guys are willing to be a part of.
To clarify my point, I’m trying to say that I don’t believe that the Eugenicists are even truly dedicated to their purported goals. I think it can be honestly boiled down to “playing god”.
My argument: The same way a flat-earthers brain shuts off when you get to the number of potential planets just within our galaxy, I think a rich narcissists brain shuts off when trying to think about how to actually reach the situations/lives they wish to “improve”, and they default toward coercion. Whereas, Anyone with genuine care will always insist on the highest reasonable degree of consent. And I feel very deeply that any genuine improvement to the human condition will inherently include enhancement of dignity of the individual.
 

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To clarify my point, I’m trying to say that I don’t believe that the Eugenicists are even truly dedicated to their purported goals. I think it can be honestly boiled down to “playing god”.
My argument: The same way a flat-earthers brain shuts off when you get to the number of potential planets just within our galaxy, I think a rich narcissists brain shuts off when trying to think about how to actually reach the situations/lives they wish to “improve”, and they default toward coercion. Whereas, Anyone with genuine care will always insist on the highest reasonable degree of consent. And I feel very deeply that any genuine improvement to the human condition will inherently include enhancement of dignity of the individual.
IDK... it's kinda like the "just war" thing... I mean, I guess I believe there is sucha thing, but it sure seems like a slippery slope.

Ted Turner has been rumored (and I have no idea if it's true) to be sympathetic to the "overpopulation problem". he's a billionaire that doesn't strike me as in "evil doer". on the contrary, he seems pretty pragmatic about it.

I mean, I love the idea of educating women, but we might have to start with the fact that we currently have more human slaves than at any point in recorded history. and that doesn't even count millions of fundy muslim women who live in quasi-slavery ( and that's not saying that all muslim women do :)). somebody like ted turner could look at the problem come to the conclusion that it's not fixable w/ laptops and wifi.
 
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IDK... it's kinda like the "just war" thing... I mean, I guess I believe there is sucha thing, but it sure seems like a slippery slope.

Ted Turner has been rumored (and I have no idea if it's true) to be sympathetic to the "overpopulation problem". he's a billionaire that doesn't strike me as in "evil doer". on the contrary, he seems pretty pragmatic about it.

I mean, I love the idea of educating women, but we might have to start with the fact that we currently have more human slaves than at any point in recorded history. and that doesn't even count millions of fundy muslim women who live in quasi-slavery ( and that's not saying that all muslim women do :)). somebody like ted turner could look at the problem come to the conclusion that it's not fixable w/ laptops and wifi.
One last important point I failed to include,
The “educate 3rd world women” solution only works assuming it includes all necessary police/security support. This is the component which would (for instance) allow/empower a 16 year old girl to choose continuance of schooling rather than early motherhood.
I should hugely emphasize that without this security element, it would be hard to assume a predictable slowing of population growth.
This is absolutely no short order. It is, however, a great litmus test for sincerity in those who claim to care about population. Or to reveal they insist the problem be fixed with nails because they only carry a hammer.
 
#11
One last important point I failed to include,
The “educate 3rd world women” solution only works assuming it includes all necessary police/security support. This is the component which would (for instance) allow/empower a 16 year old girl to choose continuance of schooling rather than early motherhood.
I should hugely emphasize that without this security element, it would be hard to assume a predictable slowing of population growth.
This is absolutely no short order. It is, however, a great litmus test for sincerity in those who claim to care about population. Or to reveal they insist the problem be fixed with nails because they only carry a hammer.
hey man :) who says there are too many people?
 
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One last important point I failed to include,
The “educate 3rd world women” solution only works assuming it includes all necessary police/security support. This is the component which would (for instance) allow/empower a 16 year old girl to choose continuance of schooling rather than early motherhood.
I should hugely emphasize that without this security element, it would be hard to assume a predictable slowing of population growth.
This is absolutely no short order. It is, however, a great litmus test for sincerity in those who claim to care about population. Or to reveal they insist the problem be fixed with nails because they only carry a hammer.
sorry i hadnt read your previous to last post. dont mean to make light of conversation with post that just wrote.
still think that on the whole is not that there are too many people but that to do the normal things that anyone in this day and age would expect to do, the way of doing it (flying, supermarket products, building materials, driving etc) is controlled and provided in a shit unsustainable way, on purpose in my opinion, by the sick likes in the WEF etc and now the same types are trying to provide the 'solution' with the all the reset crap
 
#13
A lot of people talk about this theory of "all that matters is love." This kind of discourse is akin to a Ms. America Pageant speech. Likewise, in the so called "enlightened" circles, you hear these sages speak of how evil does not exist because "everybody is doing the best with what they have."

On the contrary, I would say that hate is just as important as love. Furthermore, most people are doing nowhere near the best of their abilities. If these things were not true, then we wouldn't have freedom of will.

Also, I too, am an idiot, so let's be wrong, together!
 
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To clarify my point, I’m trying to say that I don’t believe that the Eugenicists are even truly dedicated to their purported goals. I think it can be honestly boiled down to “playing god”.
My argument: The same way a flat-earthers brain shuts off when you get to the number of potential planets just within our galaxy, I think a rich narcissists brain shuts off when trying to think about how to actually reach the situations/lives they wish to “improve”, and they default toward coercion. Whereas, Anyone with genuine care will always insist on the highest reasonable degree of consent. And I feel very deeply that any genuine improvement to the human condition will inherently include enhancement of dignity of the individual.
What about the same way an astro physicists brain shuts off when asked why we haven't been to the moon in 50 years, let alone have not built a base on it by now? I am not not pushing a "flat earth," but the evidence for countless planets with life forms is just as stupid, if not more, than a flat earth. Why? - Because I think this entire "planetary" exploration is an exercise in misdirection. We haven't even categorized a fraction of all life on earth, but we are pressing for millions to determine that one bacterium exists on Mars? Did you know that there are more microbes in one handful of Earth soil than there are all people on earth? Also, it is admitted, we know less about the bottom of the ocean than the surface of the moon? Why not figure out more about where we are at before we try to go anywhere else, especially if where we are at is still filled with mysteries?

If we are going to have any dignity, we certainly need to question all paradigms at this moment in time. If an asshole government, whoever they are, can get us to randomly shut down all our businesses based on a hypothetical sickness, worldwide, then we should question everything. If that same government tells you that you have no right to leave your house.......get ready to question. To me, that is dignity. What is dignity to you.

And don't forget, I love you brother!
 
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What about the same way an astro physicists brain shuts off when asked why we haven't been to the moon in 50 years, let alone have not built a base on it by now?
Answer#1 Exactly that. They don’t know the why. But, because the evidence of space I’ve seen (mainly, all objects being round and seemingly asteroid damaged) makes sense to me, I have to assume that the ap’s don’t have the real answers because of the compartmentalization. And to take the rude liberty: they weren’t taught to question those things deeply.
Answer#2 Possible that the current necessity (which far outweighs moon exploration) is finding a habitable planet, the seeming next step of which is probably landing men Mars.

If we are going to have any dignity, we certainly need to question all paradigms at this moment in time. If an asshole government, whoever they are, can get us to randomly shut down all our businesses based on a hypothetical sickness, worldwide, then we should question everything. If that same government tells you that you have no right to leave your house.......get ready to question. To me, that is dignity. What is dignity to you.

And don't forget, I love you brother!
100% agree. Love and all.
In fact, I think it’s simultaneously more hopeful and scarier that the powerful people of the world are so compartmentalized. “Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing.”
I think the only way out is to wake them up with love, somehow. Not necessarily by “loving them”, but rather by “loving, regardless the way they are.”
 
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Great interview, Alex.

I've been immersed in exploring the origins of the psyops of brain=mind, materialism, biological robots in 17th century England. I teach a class called Science, Myth, Magic & Mystery which consists of a group of 18 professionals in a variety of fields, e.g. judges, executive coaches, ayahuasca servers, psychiatrists, therapists, educators, artists, etc. We do deep-dives into the darkness of trauma and perpetration that remain active and corrosive in our hearts reaching through to the fields of consciousness beyond them.

I want to respond to what you said about the Romans and war:

"There’s only one way to rule the world. It’s the Roman way. It’s Total War. It’s total domination. It’s, you can’t change anything unless you’re in power. So make sure you win." London was the seat of the Roman Empire in Britain and the merchants of London inherited their mantle when Rome collapse. The British Empire adopted the same preoccupation with war and conquest. In the 1600s, they introduced two innovations that remain dominant to this day: First was the global shareholder corporation: The British East India Company at one point in the 1700s controlled 50% of world trade. They followed the Roman way. Second was the formulation of scientific materialism which came from the Oxford Philosophers Club, which later became the Royal Society. I have written extensively about the details.

What I want to bring up here, is the antidote to the Roman Way is precisely what you are been focused in Skeptiko. It is to shatter the prison walls of materialism and reintroduce consciousness as a fundamental property. Those of us trapped inside those walls will not rise up to overthrow the overlords of Empire, but consciousness is breaking through from the other side. The work that you have been promoting these many years is gaining momentum, not with the agreement of the TBIM, but in spite of them.
 

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but the evidence for countless planets with life forms is just as stupid, if not more, than a flat earth.
ouch... one has a ton of solid science behind it; the other has a lot of well-meaning, truth-seeking warriors who have temporarily lost the discipline of rigorous scientific thinking.

What really pisses me off about the flat earth thing is that in a lot of ways it's giving into fake science. it's saying " look 90% of the stuff you guys are throwing at me is totally fake... so I'm rebooting everything." I understand the appeal, but this actually empowers them to spin more bullshit.
 
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"There’s only one way to rule the world. It’s the Roman way. It’s Total War. It’s total domination..

The Birth of Modern Science and the Death of Embodied Wisdom

In 1600, at the end of Queen Elizabeth I’s long reign, a group of merchants and bankers in London came up with a brilliant concept of how to organize international trade, religion and military force into a global empire. Over the next three and a half centuries, they largely succeeded capturing Australia, New Zealand, North America, India, the Gibraltar cliffs, the greater Middle East, a large swath of Africa and the trade centers of China.
They created the global shareholder corporation, in which managers were salaried, short-term and disposable, and ownership was heritable in perpetuity. With that innovation, the London bankers invented an institution that doesn’t subvert its founding values to survive. The corporation’s only raison d’etre is profitability. Unlike governments, religions and universities, which purport to benefit the communities they serve, corporations exist to enrich their shareholder owners.
The global corporation is the iron fist in the velvet glove. The hand within that glove extends five fingers that define the modern era:
  1. Witch hunts and repression of female sexuality
  2. The clearing of indigenous people off their ancestral lands
  3. The suppression of the body’s consciousness centers: spiritual, ancestral and sexual
  4. Enslavement of laborers and modern racism
  5. Mercenary armies
In this epic cultural upheaval, the magicians converted to scientists and the witches were burned, persecuted and driven insane. Fairies, tree spirits, angels and ancestors were obliterated. All the stressors of your pandemic life emerged: your depression, anxiety, corporate dependence, racism, loneliness and alienation were born.
Within 20 years of the formation of the British East India Company:
  • The first African slaves were exported to Virginia.
  • The Mayflower landed in New England; 90% of the indigenous coastal people died of viral and bacterial disease.
  • European witch hunts reached their heights.
  • The Scientific Revolution was born with the mapping of the modern solar system.
  • The 30 Years War, the deadliest religious slaughter in history began.
Between them, global corporations and the Scientific Revolution bequeathed a dead universe to humanity. In it, individual human consciousness does not co-create with spirit, but is terrifyingly alone, trapped in a chemical brain, located on a speck of dust in an infinite void.


The photograph is the statue of Queen Boudica in central London hidden in plain site. She raised an army that burned Roman London to the ground and killed all its inhabitants. The Emperor Nero sent his legions and wiped out her and her followers. Thousands of people walk by her statue daily, but all they see are lurid headlines and cheap souvenirs.
 
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ouch... one has a ton of solid science behind it; the other has a lot of well-meaning, truth-seeking warriors who have temporarily lost the discipline of rigorous scientific thinking.

What really pisses me off about the flat earth thing is that in a lot of ways it's giving into fake science. it's saying " look 90% of the stuff you guys are throwing at me is totally fake... so I'm rebooting everything." I understand the appeal, but this actually empowers them to spin more bullshit.
Let me paint this picture with broad strokes, because it is mind fuck. Certainly, we have been force fed "space junk" for nearly what, 80 years now? Probably closer to 100 years. I would be happy to believe that satellites exist and so forth. Also, I want to believe that we landed on the moon, I really do. This is America, and this is ingenuity! This is the land of the free, and I will certainly die fighting for it. Am I brave? I don't know, but I believe in freedom of thought and the right to experiment.

Let us get back to our point, however, regarding the earth being flat or otherwise. Why would we take the time to build the rocket that went to the moon, if it was only a prop? I wrestled with this thought forever. Certainly, we need to ask as well, how is it that we went to the moon 50 years ago, but cannot do it again, despite all our so called "technological" progress?

Nevertheless, what "covid-19" government shutdowns, mandated masks, compulsory vaccines, etc., showed me, is that any amount of expense is possible for these people to tell you whatever they want you to believe. We are dealing with a litany of bullshit that is many levels deep!

Love you, brother! Keep up the good work!
 
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