Courtney Brown, The Future of Scientific Remote Viewing |421|

This idea that all of our problems are washed away and we become problemless saints after death is religious mythology.
I'm not sure that it is religious, it is more like folk-mythology. One often hears of the deceased, especially children, referred to as 'angels'. But this doesn't seem to be part of any religion, it is more a current social or cultural language, not one rooted in serious tradition.
 
I'm not sure that it is religious, it is more like folk-mythology. One often hears of the deceased, especially children, referred to as 'angels'. But this doesn't seem to be part of any religion, it is more a current social or cultural language, not one rooted in serious tradition.
Well, actually you hear a lot of it in the new age community. “When you die you go to the light and become love.” But a lot of Christians believe this, to be sure. They think you’re transmitted into heavenly paradise where there is no sin.

I was referring to “angels” in the sense of being,
Character, and behavior. Not necessarily a literal winged being.
 
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Well, actually you hear a lot of it in the new age community. “When you die you go to the light and become love.” But a lot of Christians believe this, to be sure. They think you’re transmitted into heavenly paradise where there is no sin.
You often hear the same thing said in NDEs, the loving light being God. I think that bit is true, that God loves all of us equally no matter what we’ve done. The bit they’re assuming is that we will become part, or equal to, the same entity for eternity after this life. Personally, I think there’s a long journey to travel before we get to that point.
 
You often hear the same thing said in NDEs, the loving light being God. I think that bit is true, that God loves all of us equally no matter what we’ve done. The bit they’re assuming is that we will become part, or equal to, the same entity for eternity after this life. Personally, I think there’s a long journey to travel before we get to that point.
There May be some truth to it, sure. I agree that if this happens, it doesn’t simply happen after we die here. I’m not sure what to make of the light. But I’m not convinced that it’s direct evidence of a western style God. People who live in the western world tend to have this experience, while this idea of the light seems to be generally missing in Eastern accounts. This is the same thing we see with Jesus in NDEs. It’s pretty much a Western thing, at least as far as I can’t tell. The study of Eastern NDEs is severely lacking, but there is SOME data.

I do tend to think that we are part of an eternal consciousness, that we are all linked and are one. And that love is our natural state. That tends to be my view of “God.” But, who knows. But in this sense, I feel that we already are this same entity.

But to drive home my previous point, astral travelers and OBE practitioners like Will Buhlman, Jurgen Ziewe, Cyrus Kirkpatrick, and (in my opinion) the best objective afterlife researchers like Victor Zammit, Craig Hogan, Sonia Rinaldi etc, along with the reincarnation research, and the best channeled information like the Seth Material, all generally tell us that we carry most of our hardships and struggles with us after we die. The work continues.

Some people who experience NDEs make the mistake of thinking that, since they died, they automatically have become privy to what our afterlife state will be. I don’t think this is necessarily true. I think an NDE is a rather dramatic and forced STE through an experience of an extended consciousness realm, perhaps like that experienced through ingesting DMT. I don’t believe it be necessarily gives a glimpse to the afterlife. I like studying the works of the OBE gurus I just mentioned in addition to guys like Yogananda and Swedenborg etc, because these experiences are repeated throughout their lifetime and, in many ways, in many instances seem to mirror or seem similar to NDE experiences. NDE experiencers are thrusted into this bizarre experience once and then struggle to put it into context. NDEs are incredible and are super important experiences, and I do not wish to demean them. But we need to be very cautious in interpreting their meaning

Whatever data Courtney has dug up regarding this idea of continued hardship after death would be perfectly in line with the views already held by what I personally consider to be the best afterlife researchers
 
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There May be some truth to it, sure. I agree that if this happens, it doesn’t simply happen after we die here. I’m not sure what to make of the light. But I’m not convinced that it’s direct evidence of a western style God. People who live in the western world tend to have this experience, while this idea of the light seems to be generally missing in Eastern accounts. This is the same thing we see with Jesus in NDEs. It’s pretty much a Western thing, at least as far as I can’t tell. The study of Eastern NDEs is severely lacking, but there is SOME data.
As far as I'm aware, there are very, very few NDEs where Jesus is found. It is extremely rare, maybe even non-existent. On the other hand, what is fairly common is for the experiencer to encounter some being, some overwhelming being. The person may choose to attach the name 'Jesus' to the phenomenon, but that is purely incidental, much as a person seeing a moving dot of light in the sky might name it a UFO or even an alien craft. Attaching labels is what people do, but it doesn't reach into the heart of a phenomenon and accurately describe its nature.
 
NDEs are incredible and are super important experiences, and I do not wish to demean them.
I think we’re around the same area. I tend to agree with you that we‘re nowhere near done after one life here on earth, I have listened to and read a lot of Jurgen’s stuff. I do think he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about NDErs though. He has no need to imo.
 
I think we’re around the same area. I tend to agree with you that we‘re nowhere near done after one life here on earth, I have listened to and read a lot of Jurgen’s stuff. I do think he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about NDErs though. He has no need to imo.
You’re right, he does seem to. He actually made a post about this on an NDE page on Facebook that I’m part of a few months ago. He was expressing disappointment that his posts weren’t being approved regarding his experiences. I get where he’s coming from, but, it is an NDE page lol. And people like to stray way off topic, so it’s understandable that moderators would want it to stay on topic.
 
There May be some truth to it, sure. I agree that if this happens, it doesn’t simply happen after we die here. I’m not sure what to make of the light. But I’m not convinced that it’s direct evidence of a western style God. People who live in the western world tend to have this experience, while this idea of the light seems to be generally missing in Eastern accounts. This is the same thing we see with Jesus in NDEs. It’s pretty much a Western thing, at least as far as I can’t tell. The study of Eastern NDEs is severely lacking, but there is SOME data.

I do tend to think that we are part of an eternal consciousness, that we are all linked and are one. And that love is our natural state. That tends to be my view of “God.” But, who knows. But in this sense, I feel that we already are this same entity.

But to drive home my previous point, astral travelers and OBE practitioners like Will Buhlman, Jurgen Ziewe, Cyrus Kirkpatrick, and (in my opinion) the best objective afterlife researchers like Victor Zammit, Craig Hogan, Sonia Rinaldi etc, along with the reincarnation research, and the best channeled information like the Seth Material, all generally tell us that we carry most of our hardships and struggles with us after we die. The work continues.

Some people who experience NDEs make the mistake of thinking that, since they died, they automatically have become privy to what our afterlife state will be. I don’t think this is necessarily true. I think an NDE is a rather dramatic and forced STE through an experience of an extended consciousness realm, perhaps like that experienced through ingesting DMT. I don’t believe it be necessarily gives a glimpse to the afterlife. I like studying the works of the OBE gurus I just mentioned in addition to guys like Yogananda and Swedenborg etc, because these experiences are repeated throughout their lifetime and, in many ways, in many instances seem to mirror or seem similar to NDE experiences. NDE experiencers are thrusted into this bizarre experience once and then struggle to put it into context. NDEs are incredible and are super important experiences, and I do not wish to demean them. But we need to be very cautious in interpreting their meaning

Whatever data Courtney has dug up regarding this idea of continued hardship after death would be perfectly in line with the views already held by what I personally consider to be the best afterlife researchers
What does that mean? There is still all the negative emotions and even greater challenges and hardships?

Birth becomes very odd, at this point, if true...

Perhaps the light in the eastern tradition is missing, not sure, but an english google search found nothing remarkable. Probably a good idea to try the native languages, if you have done that, then nevermind.
 
You’re right, he does seem to. He actually made a post about this on an NDE page on Facebook that I’m part of a few months ago. He was expressing disappointment that his posts weren’t being approved regarding his experiences. I get where he’s coming from, but, it is an NDE page lol. And people like to stray way off topic, so it’s understandable that moderators would want it to stay on topic.
Recently another person who has a lot of experience in out of body states of mind states something similar. He said his entire facebook page was taken down. He believes its a particular member causing the problem, at least from what I remember from this video:


Courtney's most recent farsight video explains his worldview versus 'whatever you call heaven'. Basically, a big part of his philosophy is libertarian but heaven is authoritarian. I bring this up again because it directly relates to a major theme of this very website.

Why are we here? A technical answer might be that specialized intelligences are superior to general intelligence. And that is what we find in the world -- a ton of specialized minds. And in the afterlife?

A unity of sorts or a shared hive mind.

Courtney describes having memories painfully ripped out, losing all our stuff, and having to start over. I think, after having seen this view corroborated by a different independent source, now there is a reason to consider this view. Basically, one never heres about what happens if you don't get along in "heaven".

Swedenborge delineates the process of acquiring what in transhumanist terms would be called in exocortex. I highlight in bold these terms because its a double-entendre. Swedenborge loves cross-correspondences. I am sure I am butchering the idea to make it fit, but that is because my perspective is mostly physicalist.

Basically, I am highlithing the idea that one can easily interpret the afterlife as us being an intelligence in a box, a la Yudkowsky, post singularity. The enforcer is simply whomever created the technology. We spirits are simply working through a system created by an outside force we can never comprehend by design to ensure its safety.

Friendly AI 101: never let it out of the box!

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/AI_boxing

Anyway, see:


And:


To summarize: To fit into heaven, you've got to get with the authoritarian program. God says its better, so it is. Could it be true that some souls are forced here as a kind of rehab? WE have no idea how any of this works.

It would seem resistance to change might be very strong with independently thinking minds, like ourselves. This is something I think is worth considering.
 
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I'm new here and just skimmed the 13 pages of posts. OMG. Eric and Michael keep it on topic FGS.

Here is Courtney's latest summary of the collective willed reality. Its a doozy.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SubDvu95VJk7/

You can put your head in the sand and say "there is no place like home" and press your will to get rid of the bad witch in your bubbleuniverse but FFS you cant dismiss Courtney so quickly. Categorize it as data... rather exceptional data if you ask me based on state of the art RV procedures.

It is looking like it is as above so below. Kids in cages underground below and souls in cages above. If we are immortal beings [m,b,z]illions of years old then where the F is my memory. Occam's razor says if I am missing something someone willed it missing. Was it me and this is a "contract life" cosmic escape room then so be it. But when I will a exit door to appear or my memories returned.... they dont.

Courtney mentions the "old empire" bad guys and "the domain" good guys; you can get more context about them here:
http://thenewearth.org/AI_FREE_READERS-EDITION.pdf
Yes that is an alien interview. Get over it.

PS Hale-bopp suicides. Maybe they got out? Heresy? Why would Courtney have any responsibility for them? As emotionally repugnant as suicide is, if they want to take the chance and their soul lives forever.... One thing Courtney will not do is RV their current whereabouts. Fallout would be immense either way.
 

Alex

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I'm new here and just skimmed the 13 pages of posts. OMG. Eric and Michael keep it on topic FGS.

Here is Courtney's latest summary of the collective willed reality. Its a doozy.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SubDvu95VJk7/

You can put your head in the sand and say "there is no place like home" and press your will to get rid of the bad witch in your bubbleuniverse but FFS you cant dismiss Courtney so quickly. Categorize it as data... rather exceptional data if you ask me based on state of the art RV procedures.

It is looking like it is as above so below. Kids in cages underground below and souls in cages above. If we are immortal beings [m,b,z]illions of years old then where the F is my memory. Occam's razor says if I am missing something someone willed it missing. Was it me and this is a "contract life" cosmic escape room then so be it. But when I will a exit door to appear or my memories returned.... they dont.

Courtney mentions the "old empire" bad guys and "the domain" good guys; you can get more context about them here:
http://thenewearth.org/AI_FREE_READERS-EDITION.pdf
Yes that is an alien interview. Get over it.

PS Hale-bopp suicides. Maybe they got out? Heresy? Why would Courtney have any responsibility for them? As emotionally repugnant as suicide is, if they want to take the chance and their soul lives forever.... One thing Courtney will not do is RV their current whereabouts. Fallout would be immense either way.
did you happen to listen to my interview with courtney from a couple yrs ago:
Courtney Brown, The Future of Scientific Remote ... - Skeptiko

I mean, I think he's fantastic and I think a lot of the stuff he's saying is true, but he doesn't seem willing to really consider the possibility that he doesn't have the full picture. for example if you really push him on the near-death experience death his only frame of reference is his remote viewing... nothing else seems to matter. for example I've spoken with mediums who claim to have direct contact with ET. some of this contact with seem to conflict with of what courtney is saying. how would we figure out who's right and who's wrong.

I just don't get the sense that courtney is willing to answer tough questions beyond his very narrow remote viewing window to the world.

I mean the other real possibility in all this is the courtney is being punked by spirits that like to f*** with people. this has been demonstrated over and over again. they give people information that's 90% true and then f*** with them on the other 10%.

from my interview with courtney:

Dr. Courtney Brown: Well, my personal view on that after doing all the studies that we’ve done and marching forward into the future with new studies, is that there is no such thing as a spiritual anything. There’s just life. And there’s physics for why we can’t see certain life and why we can see other life, but since the remote viewing phenomenon works and you can perceive across time and space and with apparently no time or limitations in distance, obviously our consciousness extends beyond the physical body.

-- I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that he is being f***** with by spirits :)
 
I'm new here and just skimmed the 13 pages of posts. OMG. Eric and Michael keep it on topic FGS.
After beating the silly propaganda guy (Brown) and his deluded sycophants to death with their own material, I guess it was more fun to goad liberals into actually defending brutal mass human sacrifice - because all primitive brown people are better than rayciss colonial whites, or some such modern woke dorkery. Sorry, it did go a bit off topic.

Ingo had a dif perspective because Ingo was for real, looking forward to Nick Cook.
 
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Alex, how did you go from: "he's a respected academic with an impressive publications in his field. he's open about his protocols... and those protocols sound very well thought-out for my perspective." to "I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that he is being f***** with by spirits"?
 

Alex

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Alex, how did you go from: "he's a respected academic with an impressive publications in his field. he's open about his protocols... and those protocols sound very well thought-out for my perspective." to "I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that he is being f***** with by spirits"?
good point... very level 3 :) but I don't see any inconsistency here. I mean, I think it's great that he's established protocols and is rigorously applying the scientific method to his remote viewing experiments. the problem is... and it's the same problem with everything in the extended consciousness realm... is that we can't assume "they" are compelled to play by the same rules.

have you ever looked into the hungry ghost stuff?
 
You mean do I think malevolent ghosts can influence us. Yes. But so can gas station cashiers.

You mentioned before many times how murky extended consciousness realm is. RV with multiple viewers under double blind is the gold standard. AM I WRONG? We cant swallow it hook line and sinker but it is the gold standard. We could make it stronger with more viewers maybe and not just 3 like Farsight uses. Maybe viewers need to be in faraday cages, under protection sigils, at only certain astrological times, with verified theta wave expression, with certified prior mental healthfulness, after a 3 day fast, with the blessing of Native Elders, ..... Did I miss any? Oh wait this is silly.
 
good point... very level 3 :) but I don't see any inconsistency here. I mean, I think it's great that he's established protocols and is rigorously applying the scientific method to his remote viewing experiments. the problem is... and it's the same problem with everything in the extended consciousness realm... is that we can't assume "they" are compelled to play by the same rules.

have you ever looked into the hungry ghost stuff?
Brown is clearly unhinged and spewing utter nonsense. It is shocking to me that that isn't obvious to anyone who is even paying a little attention.

Whether the madness comes from deceptive spirits or some something more ordinary (con artist?, mental illness?) seems generally irrelevant to me. Unless specifically looking for a case study in BS.
 
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