Typoz, I don't know whether you have noticed two things, if not, I need to explain to you:
First, have you noticed that what I said is not towards you, I didn't talk those words to you and I didn't mention you. I'm sorry that I didn't keep in mind those posts might be seen by you and you might consider those be "insult" when I used the word "lie", I'm terribly sorry on that and I apologize to you, to everyone who may feel that's "insult". Yeah, I admit that those posts were raised by my conversation with Raimo, but I didn't even mean to speak those sentences specifically to Raimo or any specific person. I just consider there might be someone, some indefinite one who would read those posts later in the future and make some intelligent comments on them.
Second, hey, listen, dear Typoz, I want you to notice one thing if you haven't, please, this is very very important. You see, you were talking about people's feeling, for example, what I said might let you or some people feel "insult", and you also consider I may feel "hurt" or "harm" by your words, so you explain you didn't mean them to me, you are very kind, you are kind to me, you consider for many people who may read posts on this forum or any posts in this world, you concern for them and you vindicate for them. None of them should be insulted by a person like me. I repeat, you are very kind, to me, to many people, you are a kind man. I'm very grateful that you deign to "help" me realize my impoliteness and at same time you also try to heed not harming my feelings.
Dear Typoz, listen, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S FEELING, WHAT WORDS MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL INSULTED, WHAT WORDS MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL HURTED, HARMED, WHAT WORDS MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD, and Raimo were making jokes, and escaping from further discussing on the truth. But I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRUTH, I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL OR JOKES OR THAT I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID OR I DISLIKE WHAT YOU SAID, INSTEAD, I WERE TALKING ABOUT TRUTH.
And when I'm talking about truth, I don't mean to or notice I'm "insulting" anyone, and anyone may hurt me, harm me, insult me, damn me, curse me, abuse me, Raimo said I was trolling, do I have a tiniest mind on that? No, I didn't, I just feel funny, confusing, and don't understand, where the focus people are putting attention on? Focusing on what people may feel? What they themselves may feel? What they like to hear, they dislike to hear? Hey, it is the truth which is important, not the concerns for anyone may feel bad or good. Don't waste time on those things, they are not important at all. Let us focus on talking about the truth.
Dear Typoz, how could you harm me by your words? You don't need to concern for me on that, although I feel grateful and I feel myself is mean and inferior if you do so. But I do not put too much concerns on this matter. Also I want no approval like that you thought I might pursue. You know why? When we are talking about truth, nothing compares with the importance of truth, there is no time to waste on those irrelevant to trying to find the truth. WE SHOULD FOCUS ON TRUTH, NOT PEOPLE'S FEELING OR MEANINGLESS JOKES. Please feel free to say anything to me but I will only pay attention on sentences relevant to trying to find the truth, not people's feeling or meaningless jokes.
In many occasions I do mind the art of talking, the etiquette and politeness when getting along with people, heed what the words I choose may cause what feeling on the audience, avoid harming or offending people, including in some indirect or subtle ways, say some fancy, sweet words, placebo, be nice and polite, and what what what what, but only when I do not focus on talking about the truth. When I'm talking about the truth, my mind does't have space for those trivial concerns.
You might say it is part of the truth that people may feel uncomfortable on what I said, yeah, it is true, but what is more important is the truth behind all the paranormal phenomena people claimed around the world, let's focus on this OK? Please don't swerve the discussion topic towards people's feeling, what they like or not like to hear, and the meaningless jokes.
The next is that somebody might say: "What truth this damn tarantulanebula is talking about? How could he think he has the right to comment on something he knows nothing of? He is not talking about any truth, instead, he is trolling which is much much more meaningless than the jokes."
I will speak again what the "truth" I'm talking about, and, again, dear Typoz, not towards you or Raimo or any other specific person, just if there will be someone later in the future will see what I mean and make some intelligent comments on them.
Here is the "truth" I'm talking about:
All the asserters of paranormal phenomenon experiences, they are insane on a common trait: they seem to have lost the ability of, or the interest on, further asking questions and further investigating the things(places and persons) they claimed they have encountered.
When a sane person visits that kind of otherworldly place, meets "some persons" under that situation, the first reactions should include:
1, vigilant.
2, curious.
3, extremely highly concerns for the nature of that place and the identity genuineness of those persons(or angels whatever) and their conditions.
4, to have questions in mind and to ask those questions to anyone who may receive and understand those questions.
5, further observing, investigating, with vigilance, curiosity all along the experience.
The above is too verbose, let us make a short summary:
They should ask questions, ask questions, ask questions, ask questions.
But they didn't. When they had those experiences, they seemed to have lost the ability of, or the interest on, further asking questions. They seemed to trust everything they superficially saw, make quick and big assertions, feel good for no reason, and, by quoting their original words: "understand everything". But they tell almost zero amount of information, they provide nothing then assert everything, isn't it strange?
Some experiencers said, they encountered someone in their experience, they immediately recognized that is Jesus. Whenever I saw this kind of narration, I know this narrator is going to say some nonsense. You didn't ask him to confirm that he is Jesus, right? Why you didn't ask him anything? If you just asked him something, that would not be difficult and would offend no one, why you just couldn't ask him one or few questions? Why not ask him whether the stories in the Bible are all true? Why not ask him whether the modern churches serve God's purpose in the correct way? Why not ask him what he is doing on the other side? Why not ask him many many things about his life, about the experiencer's life, about the physical world, about the spiritual world? Why not? It would not be a difficult thing and would offend no one if the experiencers did ask one or few questions. But they didn't ask much questions, why?
If a sane person encountered deceased beloved ones, he/she should express the following concerns and behaviors:
1, doubt the identity of who he "feel might be someone", so the experiencer would try everything to confirm its identity, the attempts definitely include asking questions, asking questions, asking questions, asking questions.
2, even if the experiencer were quite sure about the identity of who he encountered, the experiencer would keep asking tons of questions, some will be in a frantic way, some will be relatively calmer. Imagine if your daughter went to a foreign country, especially one of those unfamiliar and mysterious to you, to spend 4 years college educations there. And you went to that country to meet your daughter first time since you departed for 3 years, what you would do in the first face to face contact with your daughter? Would you two just be watching each other with smiling? Wouldn't you feel that would be weird and silly? You wouldn't talk to each other? You were not going to ask whether she were OK there? You wouldn't concern whether your daughter had been accustomed to the food, weather, social traditions, social welfare, social security, people relationships, clothes, ....(here goes a queue of infinite aspects for which I do not have vocabulary) there? YOU WOULDN'T ASK SOME QUESTIONS TO EACH OTHER, INSTEAD, JUST KEEP WATCHING EACH OTHER AND SMILING AND NONE OF YOU FEEL IT WOULD BE WEIRD AND SILLY?
3, talk about future, what each of you will encounter and face and need to do in the future.
You see what those experiencers did when they encountered deceased beloved ones: they did no much interactions and virtually asked no questions to each other. Huh? Is it a normal reaction sane people would do under that situation?
When a sane person visits an unknown and mysterious place, the first reaction shouldn't be trusting everything, understanding everything, feeling good, instead, the first reaction should be being extremely vigilant, curious, and asking questions. Imagine what a trained soldier would react if he/she enters an unknown region? Only if the experiencers would have collected astronomically large amount of information, he/she would be released and "trusting, understanding, feeling good", the astronomically large amount of information should include:
1, have visited many places in the other world, investigated the spacial temporal basis there.
2, have encountered and communicated with many persons(or conscious existences using words precisely) in the other world, knowing they are living(or being existent) well there and they are benevolent.
3, have asked large amount of questions and got large amount of answers.
In a word, only if the experiencers would have collected astronomically large amount of information, should he/she be able to say "he/she have known something in that world and indeed encountered someone there".
You see what information those experiencers have collected? They didn't even have the interest or ability to ask a few questions, yet they assert and insist they encountered who and who and who and who and the other world or heaven is real.
Asking a few question is not a difficult thing to do and would hurt no one if those experiencers did encounter anyone they insisted they have encountered during their experiences. But they seem to refrain from, or, I'm not sure, dread about asking any questions, yet, they still insist on asserting hollow, irresponsible, indifferent big assertions, like, they encountered Jesus, God, deceased beloved ones, they understand everything, time doesn't exist, and so on, and so on.
I will take another example, keep it short, in one story, the experiencer narrated when she was a child once she followed her siblings to a play field, and on her way she felt there were three conscious existences stopped her by using an invisible wall, then shortly after a dog bit her sister. Later she thought about the experience and she sensed those three otherworldly conscious existences were deliberately saving herself from being bit by that dog to death, because they knew if it were going to be her sister to be bitten, her sister would only receive a small not lethal injury. The experiencer then knew those power saved her for a purpose and she had a mission to live on earth although she didn't exactly know what it is. The first time I read her story, I felt it was written very sane, sober, detailed, genuine, real, touching, moving. I had not much doubt that she really had that paranormal experience and she told what she really experienced in the most sincere and honest way a person can achieve. But, some days later when I rethought about that story, I found one thing very very strange:
If those three invisible figures(otherworldly conscious existences) meant to save this experiencer's life from that fierce dog's bite, why didn't they put an invisible wall around that dog to prevent it from running to her sister? Why let her sister to be bitten, though not lethal? Wouldn't it be better if they just put that invisible wall around that dog and no one would have been hurt?
And, listen, everyone who would deign to read my poor written post, seeking for truth as I said what my purpose has always been, without any other concerns(like for my choice of word would make someone feel "insult" or bad and then retaliate back to me to abuse me or "help" me, please don't swerve the topic which is much much more important than those trivial little feelings people might feel for when I'm talking about the bloody true questions for seeking truth), wake up and listen, buddy!!!!:
And, even if those three invisible figures did have an extremely good reason to arrange that event to have happened, they deliberately stopped the experiencer, who was an eight years old girl from being bitten by that mad dog, because they are so powerful and higher existent they knew the experiencer would be dead, instead they had an extremely good reason to let her sister to be bitten, and they also knew her sister would be fine, even if so, even if so, even if so, even if so, there is still one weird question:
WHY FOR SEVERAL DECADES, WHEN THE EXPERIENCER RECALLED THAT EVENT, SHE HAD NEVER FELT STRANGE ABOUT WHY THOSE THREE CONSCIOUS EXISTENCES DIDN'T JUST PUT THAT INVISIBLE WALL AROUND THAT DOG AND THEN NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN HURT, AND THE EXPERIENCER NEVER ASKED THIS QUESTION, NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS QUESTION, NEVER HOLD THIS QUESTION IN HER OWN MIND?
This is only one example of many many. Why those paranormal experiencers seem to be unable or indifferent on further rethinking, investigating, asking questions about, the unexplained and abnormal part of the so called experiences they "believed" they really have experienced? If it is not lying to themselves, a trick played by some mental anomaly, then what it is?
You ask questions, it would not be a difficult thing to do and would not hurt anyone, you ask questions and:
1, you collect 20% amount of information, then you make 20% certainty on what you feel you had an experience of another world and met whoever you deem it is there, and no one will doubt you.
2, you collect 40% amount of information, then you make 40% certainty on what you feel you had an experience of another world and met whoever you deem it is there, and no one will doubt you.
3, you collect 60% amount of information, then you make 60% certainty on what you feel you had an experience of another world and met whoever you deem it is there, and no one will doubt you.
But you have collected only zero amount of information and then you assert with 100% certainty everything about this world like God, Jesus, someone, time doesn't exist, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Why do not ask any questions if you encounter God, Jesus, whoever? Why? Why do not try to find some amount of information for confirm the truth? Is the truth not important to you? Instead, is it more important what people might feel when they read the words which is offending or sweet they like to hear or dislike to hear or the meaningless jokes, much much more important than the truth?
Wake up people, please, wake up, in many place, many occasions, we talk about things just trying to make each other feel good, or partially for it. But when we talking about the truth behind the reason of the insanity why people who assert they had paranormal experiences but they never asked some decent amount of questions, there is no time or room for other concerns, let us face this weird insanity, at least sometimes, it must have an explanation, let us not escape and face the truth behind the mental anomaly why those experiencers never ask questions or have questions in their mind as if seeking for truth is a burden and bother so better off trying to keep being deluded and ignorant.