Curt Jaimungal, Better Left Unsaid Analysis |486|

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(diversity seems to not be strength in the spirit world, if countless ADCs are taken seriously).
Indeed. Although there are more than one possible destinations. Some After Death Communications with passed on loved ones are of peace and love. On the other hand some subjects of a Near Death Experience return to our world quite horrified by their life changing experience. Nevertheless, it is usually all to the good as such people needed to make adjustments; their treatment of others, their priorities. I've been praying lately, probably along with millions of others that Our Father Spirit might, with legions of His Angels, in the face of countless abounding, influencing, tempting, corrupting demons somehow bring about a rescue for His Earthly Children of good will. that we may once again lead normal human lives here on His Earth. that reunification with Himself, God be our priority and ultimate destination.
 
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Well, the evidence points to the physical plane as being a unique experience because we have all manner of mindsets mixed together here. Whereas in the spirit based spheres, we have separation based on spiritual development, interests, emotions, etc. (diversity seems to not be strength in the spirit world, if countless ADCs are taken seriously). Think about that for a minute. Here heaven (within us) is mixed with hell (within us) and everything in between on this earth. It seems to me that politics is a natural extension of this state of being.
Y'know I never thought about this before. And on first impressions, it would seem that this is the case.

Going forward on this idea, it's pretty much inevitable that war and chaos and all the crap going on will eventually happen because the natural laws of the physical universe will favour the extreme material over the spiritual....


So, some thoughts to build on this idea perhaps. Recently I've been watching some newer Amazon Prime shows like The Expanse, and I started the first season, and kinda slogged through it, but eventually I just wasn't interested in watching further. Wanna know why?

It felt like my consciousness was being dragged down into the muck. I felt sickened actually by how coarse everything was. And the reason why I'm sharing this is because I never used to react so strongly to a piece of media. I usually just take it for what it is. But I have a very strong notion that I don't want to partake in whatever energies these ultra realistic type shows bring.

I'm wondering if there isn't some kind of wierd thing going on where people are entering into different 'realities' depending on their 'true being', or something, due to the current chaos in the world right now. I think this could be something worth exploring.

FWIW.
 
#43
Indeed. Although there are more than one possible destinations. Some After Death Communications with passed on loved ones are of peace and love. On the other hand some subjects of a Near Death Experience return to our world quite horrified by their life changing experience. Nevertheless, it is usually all to the good as such people needed to make adjustments; their treatment of others, their priorities. I've been praying lately, probably along with millions of others that Our Father Spirit might, with legions of His Angels, in the face of countless abounding, influencing, tempting, corrupting demons somehow bring about a rescue for His Earthly Children of good will. that we may once again lead normal human lives here on His Earth. that reunification with Himself, God be our priority and ultimate destination.
To be clear, I'm talking ADCs in which the spirits have a convo describing the conditions of the afterlife. Michael Tymn's "Dead Men Talking" is a good example.

IMO, praying is a good way to align one's soul with positive forces, spirits and God.
 
#44
I like this point, but what is an "ADC"? Is that an analog to digital convertor? If that is the case, I see that we are all being fast tracked from the book to the Kindle, from the record to the MP3, from the raw, organic, handshaking "Hi, hello, how are you?" - to the let me sniff your social media status ass. As far as politics goes, I kind of see it as a necessary, albeit often shitty, byproduct of human interaction. Is this strange fairy tale truly wagging the dog? When will face masks grow into gloves? Aren't clothes a kind of a "face masking" as well? That shit became normal a long time ago. Is any of this spiritual, or is it that these animals just can't stop fucking each other.....over?
Huh?

Dude, take a deep breath, a walk in the sun.
 
#45
Well, the evidence points to the physical plane as being a unique experience because we have all manner of mindsets mixed together here. Whereas in the spirit based spheres, we have separation based on spiritual development, interests, emotions, etc. (diversity seems to not be strength in the spirit world, if countless ADCs are taken seriously). Think about that for a minute. Here heaven (within us) is mixed with hell (within us) and everything in between on this earth. It seems to me that politics is a natural extension of this state of being.
I hear what you are saying but I guess to me, political fights really don't move us very far. It's like Religious wars...what's the point? I think we need to shift our awareness into our more spiritual side. Decide who we want to be and let that guide our movements on the physical plane.
 
#46
I hear what you are saying but I guess to me, political fights really don't move us very far. It's like Religious wars...what's the point? I think we need to shift our awareness into our more spiritual side. Decide who we want to be and let that guide our movements on the physical plane.
Well, weren't you on the Trump thread arguing away for what you believe to be truth, justice and the spiritual way (Orange Man Bad!)? As I have been, albeit Orange man good!

I think political fights and religious wars are not only inevitable on this plane due to the nature of this place, but also, given that inevitability, a good thing in the balance.

We can find such things stupid and wasteful philosophically. However, it seems to me, they must occur because of the lack of separation of mindsets and spiritual development.

Take extreme, yet common, examples, like oppressive aggressive dictators. They're killing their own people. They're attacking neighboring countries. You have to stand up to and fight them, lest the whole world fall under their boot heal.

How about a group of people that votes to take all of your hard earned money?

I mean, whatever the example, at bottom, there are some serious a-holes out there that don't care what you find to be philosophically objectionable and they can - and will - march on over and do bad things to you and your loved ones. On the other side, they're confined to hell, but here, they are only, at best, confined by the threat of destruction at the hands of other men.
 
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Well, weren't you on the Trump thread arguing away for what you believe to be truth, justice and the spiritual way (Orange Man Bad!)? As I have been, albeit Orange man good!

I think political fights and religious wars are not only inevitable on this plane due to the nature of this place, but also, given that inevitability, a good thing in the balance.

We can find such things stupid and wasteful philosophically. However, it seems to me, they must occur because of the lack of separation of mindsets and spiritual development.

Take extreme, yet common, examples, like oppressive aggressive dictators. They're killing their own people. They're attacking neighboring countries. You have to stand up to and fight them, lest the whole world fall under their boot heal.

How about a group of people that votes to take all of your hard earned money?

I mean, whatever the example, at bottom, there are some serious a-holes out there that don't care what you find to be philosophically objectionable and they can - and will - march on over and do bad things to you and your loved ones. On the other side, they're confined to hell, but here, they are only, at best, confined by the threat of destruction at the hands of other men.
Good point. Deep breath, a little rain, and some orange face paint. Let's do it, brother.
 
#49
I mean, whatever the example, at bottom, there are some serious a-holes out there that don't care what you find to be philosophically objectionable and they can - and will - march on over and do bad things to you and your loved ones. On the other side, they're confined to hell, but here, they are only, at best, confined by the threat of destruction at the hands of other men.
I think all of us, the good, the bad and the ugly need to become more aware of the Spiritual Truth, Eric. Reading a good near death experience story might get us underway. Here is a link to such a story that I hope all Skeptiko readers might have time for: https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1star_e_nde.html
This story touches on, although not specifically mentioned, the dangerous effect of apparent demonic possession.
 
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Well, weren't you on the Trump thread arguing away for what you believe to be truth, justice and the spiritual way (Orange Man Bad!)? As I have been, albeit Orange man good!

I think political fights and religious wars are not only inevitable on this plane due to the nature of this place, but also, given that inevitability, a good thing in the balance.

We can find such things stupid and wasteful philosophically. However, it seems to me, they must occur because of the lack of separation of mindsets and spiritual development.

Take extreme, yet common, examples, like oppressive aggressive dictators. They're killing their own people. They're attacking neighboring countries. You have to stand up to and fight them, lest the whole world fall under their boot heal.

How about a group of people that votes to take all of your hard earned money?

I mean, whatever the example, at bottom, there are some serious a-holes out there that don't care what you find to be philosophically objectionable and they can - and will - march on over and do bad things to you and your loved ones. On the other side, they're confined to hell, but here, they are only, at best, confined by the threat of destruction at the hands of other men.
I did but I realized that discussing things like that is a waste of time and so I left...standing up for injustice of course is worthwhile but fighting with each other on a forum is not exactly benefiting anyone, right?
 
#51
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I think all of us, the good, the bad and the ugly need to become more aware of the Spiritual Truth, Eric. Reading a good near death experience story might get us underway. Here is a link to such a story that I hope all Skeptiko readers might have time for: https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1star_e_nde.html
This story touches on, although not specifically mentioned, the dangerous effect of apparent demonic possession.
I need to see more "near life" stories and less "near death experiences." For me, any common people can live a normal life and suddenly have an epiphany because their typical circumstances came close to an end. Try living a life near death everyday, then you don't need a near death experience.
 
#52
I did but I realized that discussing things like that is a waste of time and so I left...standing up for injustice of course is worthwhile but fighting with each other on a forum is not exactly benefiting anyone, right?
It isn't fighting, Chris7, we are discovering. If you don't have the tenacity for it, then take your ball and go home. If you are a bold researcher, be accustomed to swords and shields. If you want to take your ball and go home, good for you!
 
#53
It isn't fighting, Chris7, we are discovering. If you don't have the tenacity for it, then take your ball and go home. If you are a bold researcher, be accustomed to swords and shields. If you want to take your ball and go home, good for you!
You have to go deeper than that. I can tell by your aggression that it's not benefitting you. Discussion is great but when people start name-calling and arguing over which system is worse, nobody wins and we don't evolve on our spiritual path.
 
#55
Try living a life near death everyday, then you don't need a near death experience.
I think many of us are indeed doing just that, Shane. Many people live dangerously. From the high rise iron worker to the medical proffessional, all work never knowing if today will be their last day. I spoke with a nurse once asking why she wasn't afraid of all the bugs in the air in hospitals. "God protects us." she answered. Faith. An application of the expression, "There are no atheists in foxholes."
 
#56
what do you mean?
Example; "thou shall not kill"
that's a strong moral imperative...
But if we were to find ourselves in a reality system were it was absolutely known consciousness can not be exterminated this moral imperative would have no meaning.
But this imparative is valid and real here. In other words , it's not a relativistic statement .
Im a value fulfillment guy...But what kinds values predominant outside our knowns is a good topic.. lots of smart people around to weigh in.
 
#57
Morality doesn't have any meaning in a meaningless universe. Likewise, Darwin doesn't have any meaning unless we consider reproduction as the reason for existence.
Gosh... Well, if we negate Darwin as having no meaning I guess by the same token we may negate Freud and his psychoanalysis theory as well. Thank God. I never really want to undergo a shrink's assessment lest I might be put under the care of a Nurse Ratchet and possible forced lobotomy. Revealing the presence of a personal Guardian Angel, though Christian, could be risky. Such is the state of our present world.
 
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Gosh... Well, if we negate Darwin as having no meaning I guess by the same token we may negate Freud and his psychoanalysis theory as well. Thank God. I never really want to undergo a shrink's assessment lest I might be put under the care of a Nurse Ratchet and possible forced lobotomy. Revealing the presence of a personal Guardian Angel, though Christian, could be risky. Such is the state of our present world.
Every time I think of Darwin, I picture this guy throwing a Galapagos iguana into the ocean, and watching it swim back toward him, as he writes his theory of evolution. Only if I could of told him that he could have done the same with with a dog and a swimming pool, then I could have saved him the expensive trip.
 
#59
You have to go deeper than that. I can tell by your aggression that it's not benefitting you. Discussion is great but when people start name-calling and arguing over which system is worse, nobody wins and we don't evolve on our spiritual path.
Certainly. I somewhat agree with you about the political hodgepodge. It kind of reminds me of a lot of different conspiracies. I think that politics are somewhat dependent upon soothsayers hoping for a real life correlation with actual tragedies. There is also this other phenomenon where people point out political contradictions like Jaimungal does. I haven't watched his film yet, so I won't comment on that, but per this interview, that seems to be the theme. Ironically, at the same time, he admits he was happy with lockdowns and masks because he is a germaphobe. Apparently, he cannot see the political contradictions involving matters beyond race hypocrisy in a left to right paradigm. That is ok, we all have our limitations it seems.
 

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Example; "thou shall not kill"
that's a strong moral imperative...
But if we were to find ourselves in a reality system were it was absolutely known consciousness can not be exterminated this moral imperative would have no meaning.
But this imparative is valid and real here. In other words , it's not a relativistic statement .
Im a value fulfillment guy...But what kinds values predominant outside our knowns is a good topic.. lots of smart people around to weigh in.
I'm not sure I totally get your point but I think I kind of do.

The way I always approach this is from a logical / philosophical angle. allow me to oversimplify... the guy on the cloud with the long white beard IE God establish moral imperatives. we can't really question them because they're outside of our Realm ( of understanding).

Morality/meaning as a social contract is a scam. it's logically inconsistent. "the only philosophical question is suicide" Albert Camus. if I really think life is meaningless then it is impossible for me to bring in a meaning to edicts like " Thou shalt not kill." nitwits like Sam Harris have convinced people that there's an evolutionary survival component to this... but again this is silliness... the logic fails. if the universe is meaningless why does Evolution choose to perpetuate meaninglessness. only God knows the answer :)
 
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