Charlie Primero
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I doubt anything I can say will persuade you otherwise.
I would be persuaded the NHS is "at the breaking point" if you provided some evidence to support that assertion.
I doubt anything I can say will persuade you otherwise.
hi Mike... do you think masks have been shown to be efficacious outside of the lab. every peer-reviewed study of masks used in clinical settings I've seen suggest that they don't. the bottom line is that they work in the lab they don't work in clinical or real-world settings. has been shown over and over again.I’ve only just come across Skeptiko and was really enjoying some of the earlier episodes with people like Dean Radin, Rupert Sheldrake and ‘sceptics’ such as James Alcock and Stephen Novella. These interviews were really informative, insightful and constructive.
So I thought I’d listen to more recent episodes and came across the one on David Icke. Where did the emphasis on peer-reviewed science and critical thinking go?! That’s the strength of parapsychology. However, well-evidenced science certainly isn’t Icke’s strong point as he seems to grab onto whatever theory might support his global conspiracy schtick even if it’s only one or two lone doctors on YouTube. As I write, the health service in the UK is at breaking point because of COVID-19. I know people who’ve been seriously ill with COVID-19, and I have relatives who work in the NHS, and this first-hand knowledge (as well as an ability for critical thinking) makes me certain that this is not made up.
I’m not in favour of banning anyone, but you don’t have to give Icke and similar airtime, particularly with such a fawning attitude and lack of critical questioning. Many of his views are harmless (some I’d even support) but when we’re dealing with a global health crisis (and indeed global warming) they are downright dangerous.
What especially concerns me is people saying in this thread that they’re not wearing masks or practising social distancing because of theories such as these. You’re welcome to hold different views (hey and don’t take the vaccine if you don’t want to), but, out of compassion, kindness, respect for those who hold differing views, and the precautionary principle, if nothing else, please help to protect others’ health by following the guidelines. Thanks for listening! Love and peace.
Hi Alex,hi Mike... do you think masks have been shown to be efficacious outside of the lab. every peer-reviewed study of masks used in clinical settings I've seen suggest that they don't. the bottom line is that they work in the lab they don't work in clinical or real-world settings. has been shown over and over again.
by the way I still do an occasional interview in the parapsychology area... just did one with stephen braude
also and recently published one with mark pitstick... which by the way was probably a good segue into your "beef" with the show. if you the post in that thread I will respond.
Numerous doctors, nurses, and those in charge of hospitals have said so. Other treatments such as operations for cancer are being cancelled to cope with the surge in cases. I have relatives in the NHS who confirm what is being shown on the news. Ultimately, I believe these sources over David Icke and his few cherry-picked sources that do not bear scrutiny. And I do not consider following a few simple guidelines to be an attack on fundamental liberties when those actions save lives. Like someone else on this forum said, it's no different from being told to wear a seatbelt.I would be persuaded the NHS is "at the breaking point" if you provided some evidence to support that assertion.
Numerous doctors, nurses, and those in charge of hospitals have said so.
Classic high horse.Anecdotes you heard is not evidence.
Evidence of your assertion would be legitimate statistical and financial data showing that the NHS "is at the breaking point".
You haven't bothered to even glance at the year's-worth of in-depth examination people on this forum have already conducted on this subject.
If you are unwilling to provide evidence for your assertions, stop lecturing us like a self-righteous Schoolmarm.
Thank you for that. That's been pretty much my conclusion too.Classic high horse.
Mike, you'll have to understand Charlie's typical bluster when it comes to discussing, well, anything.
While he's quick to deride you for "anecdotes" and scold you for not looking at the "year's worth of in-depth" analysis here, you'll find the evidence he's referring to is significantly weaker than your "anecdote". To whit, much of the "evidence" are random video anecdotes from supposed "experts" who are sympathetic to the cause. Nothing has been established to any standard of rigor. Lots of good questions have been asked and concerns have been raised, but as is with most conspiracies they are light on facts and dismissive of any/all challenges.
Hi Alex,
Yes, I do believe that masks are helpful outside the lab. Sorry to name-drop again but I work with Cath Noakes at the University of Leeds. She's been advising the UK government on this and her view is that they help, but don't eliminate, transmission. And, given that the virus is transmitted in part in air droplets, this is kind of logical. Bottom line is that I know her and I trust her expert opinion.
Thanks for letting me know about the other shows. I'll check them out.
Mike
I would be persuaded the NHS is "at the breaking point" if you provided some evidence to support that assertion.
Numerous doctors, nurses, and those in charge of hospitals have said so. Other treatments such as operations for cancer are being cancelled to cope with the surge in cases.
Mike Daw said:I have relatives in the NHS who confirm what is being shown on the news. .
In the longer term, the chief medical officer says we all hope the vaccination programme will mean we don’t need restrictions in the future.
But he warns the virus "is not going to go away", saying we "shouldn’t kid ourselves that this just disappears with spring" - although the risks will go down.
“Hopefully we’ll have spring, summer, autumn, possibly winter as well, with almost nothing in place, once the full vaccination programme is through. But we just need to be aware of the fact this is not a problem that just disappears.”
here's a good vid on the mask thing:Hi Alex,
Yes, I do believe that masks are helpful outside the lab. Sorry to name-drop again but I work with Cath Noakes at the University of Leeds. She's been advising the UK government on this and her view is that they help, but don't eliminate, transmission. And, given that the virus is transmitted in part in air droplets, this is kind of logical. Bottom line is that I know her and I trust her expert opinion.
Thanks for letting me know about the other shows. I'll check them out.
Mike
I find what is interesting with David Ike is that he is being proven right. .
Yeah, if you bypass the part where he said, "It's not a real virus.." he's batting 1.000. Everything else he was right about was written into the Patriot Act 20 years ago. Or 40 years ago when I was a strategic planner at Los Alamos. and wrote it all up in a white paper to Congress. "Governments restricting freedoms and then bringing in technology to further control of the population(s)," is old news. Is the virus real? Is that still up for debate? Really? If this is site is about, "follow the data where is leads," Alex and his remaining listeners have fallen off the road following frauds like David Icke.
I think Alex was a bit soft on David compared to other guests he's had on,At least he owned up to his being a fan. I would have liked Alex to draw him further on the ET stuff. David didn't seem to want to be drawn on it all, and certainly didn't stray in to the Annunaki reptilian stuff which he's written about. I don't think it got to Level 3, alas, which was down to David's interview style.
Yeah, if you bypass the part where he said, "It's not a real virus.." he's batting 1.000. Everything else he was right about was written into the Patriot Act 20 years ago. Or 40 years ago when I was a strategic planner at Los Alamos. and wrote it all up in a white paper to Congress. "Governments restricting freedoms and then bringing in technology to further control of the population(s)," is old news. Is the virus real? Is that still up for debate? Really? If this is site is about, "follow the data where is leads," Alex and his remaining listeners have fallen off the road following frauds like David Icke.
I find what is interesting with David Ike is that he is being proven right. Like him or loathe him he is on record as stating a pandemic would galvanise governments to primarily restrict freedoms and then bring in technology that will lead to further control of the population(s).
You trust the experts, fair enough, but what of the many studies that have been done about the efficacy of masks, as Alex has pointed out? Why not consider them? You see, you cannot force people to follow guidance that is based on completely denying the other half of experts opinions on the matter, when people can see the censorship quite clearly.
agree on both counts
I think I had him back peddling on "there is no virus thing" shoulda gone further.
shoulda pursued the reptilian thing.