Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, Debating the Nature of Reality |574|

Perhaps. His position on climate, evolution, covid(?), Ukraine(?), etc. also led me to think that.

Who said or believes what aside, these issues are of concern.

Beyond the potential for personality change with transhumanism, there is death and maiming as evidenced by the genocidal gene-altering jabs. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com/blog/category/covid-19; https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/covid-vaccine-scientific-proof-lethal

There is also, arguably, potential slavery inasmuch as consent to being altered by patented products could make one the property of the patent holder. Given the corrupt nature of governments, if slavery can be argued it will be.

As previously mentioned, if genetically altering people's free will was possible, it would remove the very reason we are here on earth.

Transhumanism is spawned by and premised upon the false religions of evolutionism and abiogenesisism. Bad religions always lead to bad results. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com/solving-the-big-questions-third-edition/category/origins; https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/the-machine-model-of-biology-denial
 
I recently watched the movie Noah with Russell Crowe and had a few thoughts...

The idea that humans are a malicious malignant cancer/virus on this planet and deserve to be wiped out (or nearly) has been used for millennia to control (improve?) people's behavior and the Noah story might be one of the earliest versions of the noble lie of "climate science". Yes I believe the myth is partly an amalgamation of the many natural disasters that humans have lived through that did nearly wipe us out, and yes there is some deeper truth to it, but as I watched Noah again with a post-Christian mindset I found some contrarian thoughts coming up. For one: then just as now people and their "wicked deeds" are being blamed as the cause of natural disasters which are in reality entirely beyond our control. The elites are at this moment propagating the narrative that we were bad and therefore deserve the imminent culling.

The idea that we were once good and innocent and we lost that is half truth. Good and Evil always grow together as a pair. God's Garden --> God's GAN --> Generative ADVERSARIAL Network. The adversary is always a requirement in an evolutionary system.

Capacity to do good or evil requires: forethought, communication with symbolic representation, birth/offspring/death cycle, ability to feel pleasure/pain, ability to create and destroy structure. Some animals have this capacity to a lesser degree, but humans have greater capacity for forethought, communication, creation/destruction, and the most delicate energy/empathy intensive requirements from our young so we have advanced capacity for good/evil.

But the need to take life, to kill and destroy has been there all along. Humans did not spoil the earth by becoming killers. We were always killers. We just got better at it than the other killers on this planet. We shape our environment creating and destroying like other animals; we just got better at it.

We progressed and in doing so we solved some problems which created new problems.

Any organism can be thought of as a solution to a problem: how to perpetuate the replication of itself in a particular environmental niche that both supports it and is hostile to it (to kill off that which fails at solving the problem).

Humans have solved the problem. We beat the game. We can perpetuate ourselves in almost any environment.

With one catch... we require elaborate systems of technology and energy to survive an almost any environment and the means to support these technological artificial environments requires that we not only perpetuate the organism without it degenerating but also that we perpetuate structures of civilization that support the specialization and industry that support the technology that keep us alive in places we wouldn't naturally survive.

This scenario has set up a multi-generational wave function that has been reduced to the meme: Hard times create strong men > Strong men create good times > Good times create weak men > Weak men create hard times.

So in addition to the natural problem of how to perpetuate the organism in a hostile environment we also have the problem of how do we pass on knowledge and stable societal structures when the fundamental structure that these other structures depend on is the body/mind/spirit of the individual which tends to devolve without the constant challenge of the environmental problems and threats that we have mostly solved.

So how can we solve this ultimate problem of problems?

  1. Noah scenario - wipe the petri dish clean periodically and start a new culture. Take away the stacked set of technological solutions we've found thus far and force us to once again confront the old problems of eating and being eaten.
  2. Eternal life / eternal memory - No ability to forget lessons learned and wisdom lost: this of course leads to other problems - lack of meaning purpose, boredom to name a few.
  3. Simulation / Initiation - Have the youth explore the experiences and consequences in a simulated initiatory harsh environment on a rapid timescale relative to the "real" environment with the goal of returning to the "real" environment wiser and better able to perpetuate the societal and knowledge structures that keep things stable. And perhaps that is what Earth actually is - the simulated training arena for ET's or "The Gods'" offspring? War on Earth to prepare for and deter war in heaven?
 
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I recently watched the movie Noah with Russell Crowe and had a few thoughts...

The idea that humans are a malicious malignant cancer/virus on this planet and deserve to be wiped out (or nearly) has been used for millennia to control (improve?) people's behavior and the Noah story might be one of the earliest versions of the noble lie of "climate science". Yes I believe the myth is partly an amalgamation of the many natural disasters that humans have lived through that did nearly wipe us out, and yes there is some deeper truth to it, but as I watched Noah again with a post-Christian mindset I found some contrarian thoughts coming up. For one: then just as now people and their "wicked deeds" are being blamed as the cause of natural disasters which are in reality entirely beyond our control. The elites are at this moment propagating the narrative that we were bad and therefore deserve the imminent culling.

The idea that we were once good and innocent and we lost that is half truth. Good and Evil always grow together as a pair. God's Garden --> God's GAN --> Generative ADVERSARIAL Network. The adversary is always a requirement in an evolutionary system.

Capacity to do good or evil requires: forethought, communication with symbolic representation, birth/offspring/death cycle, ability to feel pleasure/pain, ability to create and destroy structure. Some animals have this capacity to a lesser degree, but humans have greater capacity for forethought, communication, creation/destruction, and the most delicate energy/empathy intensive requirements from our young so we have advanced capacity for good/evil.

But the need to take life, to kill and destroy has been there all along. Humans did not spoil the earth by becoming killers. We were always killers. We just got better at it than the other killers on this planet. We shape our environment creating and destroying like other animals; we just got better at it.

We progressed and in doing so we solved some problems which created new problems.

Any organism can be thought of as a solution to a problem: how to perpetuate the replication of itself in a particular environmental niche that both supports it and is hostile to it (to kill off that which fails at solving the problem).

Humans have solved the problem. We beat the game. We can perpetuate ourselves in almost any environment.

With one catch... we require elaborate systems of technology and energy to survive an almost any environment and the means to support these technological artificial environments requires that we not only perpetuate the organism without it degenerating but also that we perpetuate structures of civilization that support the specialization and industry that support the technology that keep us alive in places we wouldn't naturally survive.

This scenario has set up a multi-generational wave function that has been reduced to the meme: Hard times create strong men > Strong men create good times > Good times create weak men > Weak men create hard times.

So in addition to the natural problem of how to perpetuate the organism in a hostile environment we also have the problem of how do we pass on knowledge and stable societal structures when the fundamental structure that these other structures depend on is the body/mind/spirit of the individual which tends to devolve without the constant challenge of the environmental problems and threats that we have mostly solved.

So how can we solve this ultimate problem of problems?

  1. Noah scenario - wipe the petri dish clean periodically and start a new culture. Take away the stacked set of technological solutions we've found thus far and force us to once again confront the old problems of eating and being eaten.
  2. Eternal life / eternal memory - No ability to forget lessons learned and wisdom lost: this of course leads to other problems - lack of meaning purpose, boredom to name a few.
  3. Simulation / Initiation - Have the youth explore the experiences and consequences in a simulated initiatory harsh environment on a rapid timescale relative to the "real" environment with the goal of returning to the "real" environment wiser and better able to perpetuate the societal and knowledge structures that keep things stable. And perhaps that is what Earth actually is - the simulated training arena for ET's or "The Gods'" offspring? War on Earth to prepare for and deter war in heaven?

"...one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." Peter 3:8
"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." Psalm 90:4

This AI trained for 10 years (10 days in *real* time):
 
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One of the things that continues to confound me in listening to many nde stories is the presence of angels that are dressed up like medieval warriors with armour and swords. Recently I even heard an experiencer explain that her guardian angel had a wound on his wing that was not properly healed. So why would an angel be involved in a medieval style conflict? Why would he have wings? Is there air in heaven? Are there really heavenly battles and if so who is the enemy? Or is this just a visual image to impress the nde visitor? Some sort of heavenly medieval theme park?
 
War on Earth to prepare for and deter war in heaven?
One of the things that continues to confound me in listening to many nde stories is the presence of angels that are dressed up like medieval warriors with armour and swords. Recently I even heard an experiencer explain that her guardian angel had a wound on his wing that was not properly healed. So why would an angel be involved in a medieval style conflict? Why would he have wings? Is there air in heaven? Are there really heavenly battles and if so who is the enemy? Or is this just a visual image to impress the nde visitor? Some sort of heavenly medieval theme park?

The existence of any being does not makes sense without an environment that presents challenges/problems for that being to solve and if that being came to be in its present form through some sort of evolutionary process (constant change plus adversarial discrimination eliminating that which fails to succeed in achieving the goal) then that environment must present mortal challenges to that being's existence. And if there are other beings of similar capacity and origin then war between them seems inevitable.

As the ability to concentrate and use energy increases so does the capacity to create/destroy and so does the need for a stable societal structure to avoid conflicts getting out of hand and blowing up the whole system and therefore surrogate conflict (game sport finance) is needed or conflict must be played out in a simulated environment where consequences and scenarios may be explored and hard lessons may be learned without affect on the *real* world. "The gods" seem to possess Tree of Life technology that concentrates and makes available for use energy beyond anything we have currently and since they haven't blown up the universe yet we can assume there is some stability in their society which means they have solved the problem of no problems by creating lesser problems in compartmentalized realities (which we might call simulations) that don't threaten the society at large.
 
...we can assume there is some stability in their society...

And a stable society will include some hierarchical organization and will be viewed by its component beings as either beneficial and protective or oppressive and restrictive which means there will always be some who rebel against the system and try to destabilize or destroy it and some who are tricksters existing on the margins of that society that travel freely up and down the hierarchies and there will be ascension and corruption.

So just because the parent society of "the gods" that spawned our world is stable on a relatively long timespan to ours doesn't mean it cannot devolve into turmoil as ours does and it is highly likely that the tricksters and rebels who ignore or oppose the rules of that society might break the rules that compartmentalize and partition off our world. Or if our world serves as both a source of knowledge and entertainment for them and they tend to it like a garden then they might on occasion cross the threshold of compartmentalization to intervene in various ways - everything from minor miracles to orchestration of entire belief systems to emphasize certain qualities or attributes in our society and genetic code.
 
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"The gods" seem to possess Tree of Life technology that concentrates and makes available for use energy beyond anything we have currently and since they haven't blown up the universe yet we can assume there is some stability in their society which means they have solved the problem of no problems by creating lesser problems in compartmentalized realities (which we might call simulations) that don't threaten the society at large.

The problem facing "the gods" in their *near*-perfect environment is a macrocosmic version of the problem of no problems. Urban vs rural is the microcosmic version.

How to solve the problem of no problems?

How to perpetuate stable societal and organic systems through time and generations when the systems are designed to solve the very problems which are required to shape the component parts into functional members of the system ... this results in the multi-generational wave function: Hard times create hard men > Hard men create good times > good times create weak men > weak men create hard times.

This multigenerational wave function can be smoothed out and extended in time by compartmentalizing two separate environments: one harsh and one soft. The societal structures and tech that support the soft environment will become corrupt and deteriorate without continual renewal from individuals shaped and developed by the harsh hostile environment.

So the greatness of cities and long term stability of civilization in general is dependent upon constant replenishment of hard men from the hard rural areas... not unlike the recent popular novels/movies Hunger Games.

Likewise the society in the realm of "the gods" may become unstable and devolve into war and chaos without constant replenishment from those having learned the hard lessons of good/evil on Earth.
 
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The problem facing "the gods" in their *near*-perfect environment is a macrocosmic version of the problem of no problems. Urban vs rural is the microcosmic version.

How to solve the problem of no problems?

How to perpetuate stable societal and organic systems through time and generations when the systems are designed to solve the very problems which are required to shape the component parts into functional members of the system ... this results in the multi-generational wave function: Hard times create hard men > Hard men create good times > good times create weak men > weak men create hard times.

This multigenerational wave function can be smoothed out and extended in time by compartmentalizing two separate environments: one harsh and one soft. The societal structures and tech that support the soft environment will become corrupt and deteriorate without continual renewal from individuals shaped and developed by the harsh hostile environment.

So the greatness of cities and long term stability of civilization in general is dependent upon constant replenishment of hard men from the hard rural areas... not unlike the recent popular novels/movies Hunger Games.

Likewise the society in the realm of "the gods" may become unstable and devolve into war and chaos without constant replenishment from those having learned the hard lessons of good/evil on Earth.

Thanks Hurmanetar, you present a really well though out response. So the lessons being learnt in Ukraine may have enduring merit.
 
Thanks Hurmanetar, you present a really well though out response. So the lessons being learnt in Ukraine may have enduring merit.

Yes lessons learned in Ukraine have enduring merit, and I would add that every lesson learned by every individual is significant. Size is relative. Forget the notion we live on an insignificant piece of space dust. Distance is just one of the filters in place to compartmentalize our reality. If we were insignificant we wouldn’t be guarded with such filters. Many speculate that a highly advanced alien species would consider us with the same significance as we do ants.

Significance has nothing to do with time space or intelligence. Significance is a measure of relationship to a goal. If we are a means to achieving a goal then we are significant to the being(s) in their efforts to achieve that goal.
 
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