Dr. John Alexander, Warrior Monk — Reality Denied |373|

#42
Are you saying it is not allowed to show people that Adolf Hitler was a great man who sacrificed himself attempting to defend his people from attack by evil forces?
I’m sure/hope you are being sarcastic. In case you weren’t - Sure So long as you include the part about him wanting the whole country to go down in flames at the end with the various orders given to multitudes of high ranking individuals that, since the war was lost, the German people should not survive, especially since HE wasn’t going to survive, and so therefore it was of paramount importance to destroy any remaining sources of food, electricity, or running water for his own people. The documentation for this unmistakable, documented most thoroughly in Albert Speers (Inside The Third Reich, Memoirs).

Then, we could talk about the thousands of Germans he had murdered for the sake of his own rise to power.

Then we can debate the morality of his actions which include mass extermination and mass experimentation on people, including children which involved experimental surgery with no anesthesia (well documented in a couple of books of people close to the situation, one being Dr Mengles assistant) and the application of chemical weapons and other agents on other prisoners of war, sometimes Jewish civilians or other political prisoners and some children (because of course for the sake of completeness we have to know how this stuff works on everybody)

But alas, I’m pretty sure you were being sarcastic. But I get charged up because I’ve debated holocuast deniers before. It’s Really frustrating, tedious, and maddening to be immersed in such mind numbing idiocy with a total disregard for logic and evidence.
 
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#44
What is your thesis on what UFO's are?
With the depth and realism and consistency of these abdunction reports, and of the sightings, I think there has to be an extra-terrestrial component. That’s far from the whole story though. I think these beings are either of our Universe, perhaps another universe, or maybe even another reality system. Along with their vastly superior technology, the are far more plugged in or tuned in spiritually. This is evidenced by a lot of these events being characterized as spiritually transformative, with some people even feeling intense love (such as during NDE), though those cases are the exception. Great trepidation and fear is commonly reported. This is not the only cross reference between NDE phenomena, OBE phenomena, and abduction phenomena, but it’s a couple of the largest. Another common thread is that people almost uniformity report that communication in the spirit realm is fine so via telepathy, and the reports of aliens with the ability to communicate via telepathy seem to be more the rule than the exception.

This part here will sound more “out there”, and I have no idea if it’s true or not, just speculation. But as I see it, there are gaps in the theory of evolution, it has some explanatory power but I don’t think it covers the whole story, not by a long shot. I think it’s possible that ET guided biological evolution (in some way) in order to help ensure the evolution of proper vehicles for us spiritual beings to use as avatars. A few reasons for believing this 1) The aforementioned lack of complete explanatory power of the theory of evolution. 2) A VERY commonly reported phenomenon is that during abdcutions, people have sperm and or eggs extracted. 3) Aliens are spiritually in tuned, as mentioned before, and for other evidence based reasons (Pre-birth memories of people claiming to have selected their Apropriate person to incarnate into, re-incarnation data), it seems clear to me that there is a spiritual realm where spirits, us and perhaps other ET, use biological systems as avatars to incarnate into. This would give ET a reason to “care” about what goes on here. Maybe our spiritual development affects the greater consciousness system (it does) which they are a part of. So they would have a vested interest in our development. It also explains why they seem to have an interest in our military capability. They aren’t interested in our military capability because they are scared of us, I can assure you that. They don’t want us to wipe ourselves out. It’s also clear they don’t wish to take us over and plunder us in typical human conquerer fashion. As they would’ve done so already, and quite easily. They have a vested interest here. And I think that interest is spiritual.
 
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#46
I think these beings are either of our Universe, perhaps another universe,
Good summary. Thank you WW.

The fact that so much "spirituality" seems to be involved in "alien" encounters is the very thing that dissuades me from thinking they are biological creatures from some other planet riding around in the nuts-n-bolts craft.

Aurthur C. Clark's Third Law tells me these things might as well be Angels and Demons. For me, that means we should treat them as such.

Lately I've been listening to this Annunaki series from this author Gerald Clark.

Basically his thesis is that the captured planet Niburu is the Planet X we detect via anomalies in the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter. Nibiru is on a 3,600 year highly elliptical orbit.

Enlil is Yahweh of the Bible. Enki is Lucifer. They came here from Nibiru. They both have spirit/dimensions powers and made humans to be gold miners ala Sitchin's tale.

The difference here is that Gerald Clark is good at telling this tale. He elaborates with great detail based upon his reading of the Emerald Tables (which I'm pretty sure are fake).

None-the-less, he spins a great tale and tells it well. I think this is the best introductory video on his narrative:


If partly true, it would not surprise me if UFO's are those guys.
 
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#48
"In contrast to pacifism, the non-aggression principle does not forbid forceful defense. "

Was WWII a "forceful defense" by Germany?
If you listen to Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler it was. Its hilarious, I know, but its what they preached openly and their propaganda was rich with their actions being "defensive."
 
#49
Was WWII a "forceful defense" by Germany?
WW2 was really just a continuation of World War 1.

WW1 was started by Bankers Baron von Hirsch, Sir Ernest Cassell and the Rothschild and Sassoon families to whom King Edward VII was in debt.

Bankers view the world like a Cattle Rancher with 1,000 acres. If they can get their workers to seize 200 acres from the 1,000 acre ranch next door owned by some other Rancher, they now get to squeeze profits from 1,200 acres instead of just 1,000. All Wars Are Bankers' Wars.

Socialist historian Dr. Tarpley Webster has a good run-down of it here...

http://tarpley.net/online-books/aga...miurge-of-the-triple-entente-and-world-war-1/
 
#52
So considering Julius Caesar became a war hero because he was so deeply in debt the only way he could pay it off was to go to war-
how does that sit with this grand concept that all wars are bankers' wars? Recently i'd say our wars have been over oil and drugs...
but then again I'm a jew so that means many of the people in here already see me as sub-human.
Either way, to make greed synonymous with bankers is to be expected because we all know which "race" of people become bankers don't we.
It always strikes me as funny when folks who buy into alt-right psychology take this tack because part of their whole spiel is that our culture
is built on the shoulders of "white european culture" while omitting that this culture would never have evolved if not for the rise of banks, finance and corporations allowing nations to finance continental war as well as colonial conquest.
America itself wouldn't exist if it weren't for the financing of all those bankers on the continent- but please feel free to rewrite history to your own specifications
 
#53
Good summary. Thank you WW.

The fact that so much "spirituality" seems to be involved in "alien" encounters is the very thing that dissuades me from thinking they are biological creatures from some other planet riding around in the nuts-n-bolts craft.

Aurthur C. Clark's Third Law tells me these things might as well be Angels and Demons. For me, that means we should treat them as such.

Lately I've been listening to this Annunaki series from this author Gerald Clark.

Basically his thesis is that the captured planet Niburu is the Planet X we detect via anomalies in the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter. Nibiru is on a 3,600 year highly elliptical orbit.

Enlil is Yahweh of the Bible. Enki is Lucifer. They came here from Nibiru. They both have spirit/dimensions powers and made humans to be gold miners ala Sitchin's tale.

The difference here is that Gerald Clark is good at telling this tale. He elaborates with great detail based upon his reading of the Emerald Tables (which I'm pretty sure are fake).

None-the-less, he spins a great tale and tells it well. I think this is the best introductory video on his narrative:


If partly true, it would not surprise me if UFO's are those guys.
Good summary. Thank you WW.

The fact that so much "spirituality" seems to be involved in "alien" encounters is the very thing that dissuades me from thinking they are biological creatures from some other planet riding around in the nuts-n-bolts craft.

Aurthur C. Clark's Third Law tells me these things might as well be Angels and Demons. For me, that means we should treat them as such.

Lately I've been listening to this Annunaki series from this author Gerald Clark.

Basically his thesis is that the captured planet Niburu is the Planet X we detect via anomalies in the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter. Nibiru is on a 3,600 year highly elliptical orbit.

Enlil is Yahweh of the Bible. Enki is Lucifer. They came here from Nibiru. They both have spirit/dimensions powers and made humans to be gold miners ala Sitchin's tale.

The difference here is that Gerald Clark is good at telling this tale. He elaborates with great detail based upon his reading of the Emerald Tables (which I'm pretty sure are fake).

None-the-less, he spins a great tale and tells it well. I think this is the best introductory video on his narrative:


If partly true, it would not surprise me if UFO's are those guys.
I know the subject of demonology pretty well for an amateur (at least from a Western perspective). I know much less about UFOology. With regards to “demons” I know these “negative spirits” can do some incredible things, like manifest drops of water in midair, which go from the air up to the ceiling. Ouija boards which are burned suddenly are back on the shelf after waking up etc.

But I can’t grasp that they are manifesting solid steel ships, taking people on them, and doing experiments on them. To what end? Or landing steel ships, like the Rendelshem case, letting a few military officers touch it, and then taking off. Isn’t the better, more sensible explanation that these are ET? This all seems like behavior far more consistent with what we would expect from ET rather than demons.

There are human beings with some of these powers these aliens posses, and I think in several centuries, the way quantum physics is going, and with forums like this, Facebook groups etc, people are sharing information on their NDEs, OBEs etc. I think this will lead us, at some point to a marriage of spirituality and science. I would expect the same out of a more advanced culture. So they have greater technology and are more spiritually advanced. Just as we see.
 
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#54
So considering Julius Caesar became a war hero because he was so deeply in debt the only way he could pay it off was to go to war-
how does that sit with this grand concept that all wars are bankers' wars? Recently i'd say our wars have been over oil and drugs...
but then again I'm a jew so that means many of the people in here already see me as sub-human.
Either way, to make greed synonymous with bankers is to be expected because we all know which "race" of people become bankers don't we.
It always strikes me as funny when folks who buy into alt-right psychology take this tack because part of their whole spiel is that our culture
is built on the shoulders of "white european culture" while omitting that this culture would never have evolved if not for the rise of banks, finance and corporations allowing nations to finance continental war as well as colonial conquest.
America itself wouldn't exist if it weren't for the financing of all those bankers on the continent- but please feel free to rewrite history to your own specifications
I think the argument is that we get into wars so that our countries become laden with debt, then we lease out construction companies to these devastated nations so that they can also accrue debt. This forces these countries to play into the international monetary fund or face either invasion or the collapse of their economies and significant sanctions. It's a kind of soft Imperialism. This is speculated to be the primary cause of war in order to create vassal states rather than the stealing of resources like oil and drugs which while still important are considered secondary.

This source talks more about it. http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-econ...ime-theyre-coming-for-your-democracy-20160318
 
#55
There are bankers who are Christian and atheists, but you never hear about the Christian bankers or the atheist bankers. Why is religion brought into the subject at all? I think it is racism - attributing the actions of some members of the group to every member of the group because the racists don't recognize members of the group are distinct human beings with individual differences. They can only conceive of one racist stereotype. It was wrong to suspect that all Americans of Japanese ancestry were security risks during WWII, but somehow it is okay to use Jewish and Israeli as synonyms. This is also racism, attributing the actions of some members of a group to the entire group.
 
#56
There are bankers who are Christian and atheists, but you never hear about the Christian bankers or the atheist bankers. Why is religion brought into the subject at all? I think it is racism - attributing the actions of some members of the group to every member of the group because the racists don't recognize members of the group are distinct human beings with individual differences. They can only conceive of one racist stereotype. It was wrong to suspect that all Americans of Japanese ancestry were security risks during WWII, but somehow it is okay to use Jewish and Israeli as synonyms. This is also racism, attributing the actions of some members of a group to the entire group.
That's how racism works Jim. It's dumb as fuck. I had an exchange with a racist who claims that all the people in Africa and all the blacks living in poverty were evidence of white supremecy. He was a middle class guy. I asked him if the black upper class people were evidence of their individual superiority over him. He never responded. Racism relies on cherry picking, hyper-generalizations and emotional thinking. And in a striking leap of logic and incredible inability to think critically sees an entire race as one indivisible entity. It doesn't get any more intellectually bankrupt than that.
 
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#57
I'm curious to know: was Hitler a counter-Semite?
I don't know. Probably so. Hitler had Jewish Generals, a Jewish Driver, and he allowed thousands of Jewish soldiers to serve in his military, so probably so.

He wouldn't have helped found Israel with the Havarah Agreement if he disliked Jews for no reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

They made commemorative coins about it, so it seems like he didn't dislike Jewish people that much.

 
#59
But I can’t grasp that they are manifesting solid steel ships, taking people on them, and doing experiments on them.
A lot of researchers say the "metal space ships" didn't manifest as UFO's until after people came up with the idea. It didn't really exist before the late 1800's when such things began being written about in SciFi novels.

Demons could be pretending to be what people want them to be. If they showed with pitchforks and puking everywhere like in The Exorcist, people would avoid them.
 
#60
I had an exchange with a racist who claims that all the people in Africa and all the blacks living in poverty were evidence of white supremecy. He was a middle class guy. I asked him if the black upper class people were evidence of their individual superiority over him. He never responded.
I wonder how he rationalizes this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income
...
By ancestry

Indian American : $101,390[2]
Jewish American : $97,500[3]
Taiwanese American : $85,566[4]
Filipino American : $82,389[4]
Australian American : $81,452[2]
Israeli American : $79,736[2]
European American : $77,440[2]​
 
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