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There's some thoughts on that in the show that the link opens. In the meantime, let's not forget that your premise was ...

I suggest that "outshining" isn't the same as "militarily assimilating". I think Anarcho-Pacifism already "outshines" Marxism, along with pretty much everything else. That's not the same as claiming it's either dominant or more capable of enforcing its precepts on others. In fact, the whole idea of forcing its precepts on others is counter to its fundamental philosophy. Outshing, IMO, is an allusion to its potential to bring goodness ( light ) into the world.
Listening to the show now. Great information, and we're on the same page. Where I pull away is that by "outshine" I meant to imply a system sufficient to deter enough people from Marxism to render Marxism ineffective at the implementation of it's death-cult ideation.

So I'm insinuating that because Marxism poses a sort of default threat, societies must always be capable of defending themselves against it.

You know the adage that a tree grows it's strong roots by withstanding the pushing of winds against it. Maybe instead of "outshine Marxism" premise I could better say "withstand Marxism", in the same way a tree withstands and benefits from being tested by winds.

..Continuing to listen to that show.
 
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Where I pull away is that by "outshine" I meant to imply a system sufficient to deter enough people from Marxism to render Marxism ineffective at the implementation of it's death-cult ideation.
Under your interpretation of "outshine", you certainly have a valid point.

I would suggest that one means by which anarcho-pacifism could "render Marxism ineffective" is by a voluntary conversion to anarcho-pacifism through natural cultural evolution — an organic transformation of society that involves the "awakening" of citizens to their inherent value as individuals — yes go ahead and call me a dreamer. I thought that by now I'd be all cynical. Apparently I'm not, but I can't tell if that's a tragedy or a blessing.
 
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Such an American perspective to demonize socialism or Marxism.
I'm not a proponent of either, but it's always fascinating to me when I talk to people outside of the United States about the Red Scare and how it has imprinted itself on the souls of the people in the US.
If anything looks like clear social conditioning to the people outside of the US, it's the American reactions against socialism.
J
Isn't Marxist ideation responsible for some 60 million killed or starved in the 20th century? I'm no history major, but that's what I heard many times.

And aren't you pretty much our expert on Failed Capitalism here?
I perceive Marxism as just an enslavement tool of the bankers which is actually intended to never succeed at reaching the purported "equality" goal?

Conceptually communism is Utopia of course. But it's always bankers attempting to implement it, which couldn't be a more obvious non-starter in regard to equality movements. no?

'utopia' from the Greek ou-topos meaning 'no place' or 'nowhere'.
 
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Isn't Marxist ideation responsible for some 60 million killed or starved in the 20th century? I'm no history major, but that's what I heard many times.

And aren't you pretty much our expert on Failed Capitalism here?
I perceive Marxism as just an enslavement tool of the bankers which is actually intended to never succeed at reaching the purported "equality" goal?

Conceptually communism is Utopia of course. But it's always bankers attempting to implement it, which couldn't be a more obvious non-starter in regard to equality movements. no?

'utopia' from the Greek ou-topos meaning 'no place' or 'nowhere'.

I wouldn't say Marxism was EVER realized as Karl Marx had envisioned. But that's the problem with most idealistic Utopian philosophies- Libertarianism included. Just like one could argue that Capitalism has killed as many more more... just from Nazi Germany erasing the Jews.
I've never argued however that capitalism is a failed system. I certainly hope not. However, I argue that SOME versions of capitalism are failures. As I've noted many times the tendency to binary understandings of capitalism and socialism is alarming. Any time people settle for binary understandings of the world, we're in trouble.
https://helpfulprofessor.com/types-...six types of,the private ownership of capital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism
 
I wouldn't say Marxism was EVER realized as Karl Marx had envisioned. But that's the problem with most idealistic Utopian philosophies- Libertarianism included. Just like one could argue that Capitalism has killed as many more more... just from Nazi Germany erasing the Jews.
I've never argued however that capitalism is a failed system. I certainly hope not. However, I argue that SOME versions of capitalism are failures. As I've noted many times the tendency to binary understandings of capitalism and socialism is alarming. Any time people settle for binary understandings of the world, we're in trouble.
https://helpfulprofessor.com/types-of-capitalism/#:~:text=There are six types of,the private ownership of capital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism
Have you ever considered the possibility that Marxism was never truly intended to "work"? But perhaps it's just a formula for endless strife toward an unaccomplishable goal, and intended only as a sociopolitical weapon?
Again, a hammer is a weapon when it's used as a weapon.
I'm genuinely interested as to whether you've given consideration to this?
 
Have you ever considered the possibility that Marxism was never truly intended to "work"? But perhaps it's just a formula for endless strife toward an unaccomplishable goal, and intended only as a sociopolitical weapon?
Again, a hammer is a weapon when it's used as a weapon.
I'm genuinely interested as to whether you've given consideration to this?

Sounds like a very strange concept. You're suggesting that Karl Marx would create an entire system just to use as a weapon?
Especially considering his conclusion is capitalism in the end. A social capitalism, but not communism at all.
J
 
Sounds like a very strange concept. You're suggesting that Karl Marx would create an entire system just to use as a weapon?
Especially considering his conclusion is capitalism in the end. A social capitalism, but not communism at all.
J
I'm not suggesting that he did so. I'm asking if you've considered the possibility that he (wittingly or not) did so?

As an ancillary proposition, Would you not consider something like Eugenics a weapon?
Just the first comparable system that popped into my head (rhetorically only, I'm not presuming you agree them comparative).
 
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Sounds like a very strange concept. You're suggesting that Karl Marx would create an entire system just to use as a weapon?
Especially considering his conclusion is capitalism in the end. A social capitalism, but not communism at all.
J
Isn’t The grande fairy tale of Capitalism wherein the poor can all become rich if they just put their shoulder to the wheel and believe in themselves - just the polar opposite and the same as - The grande fairy tale of Marxism wherein if all hierarchical inequities are removed the system of capitalism and all capitalists will no longer exist and all that remains will be Marxism, Marxists, and a previously undefinable utopia?

A win-win for any bankers interested in funding both sides of that war.
 
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Sounds like a very strange concept. You're suggesting that Karl Marx would create an entire system just to use as a weapon?
Especially considering his conclusion is capitalism in the end. A social capitalism, but not communism at all.
J

Jack. When you have a moment please take a look/listen at this video. Skip anywhere in it and listen for 5 minutes. It’s James Lindsay who in my opinion dismantles Marxism seemingly effortlessly, especially in comparison to anything I’ve heard from anyone on the opposing Marxist side. I think the best I’ve heard was maybe Slavoj Zizek when he put up a good debate with JB Peterson, but then when I checked out the rest of Zizek it left me wanting at best.
Can you recommend any Marxists proponents who don’t sound like their target audience is Grade K thru 6?

 
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