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by Alex Tsakiris | Dec 3 | Consciousness Research, Parapsychology
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Lance Mungia’s Third Eye Spies is a terrific movie, but what’s really behind this new openness about secret remote viewing programs.
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I have an interview coming up in a minute with Lance Mungia. He’s the creator of the movie, it’s been out for a little while now, it’s called Third Eye Spies. If you like the stuff we talk about here and I guess that’s why you’re here, then this is a really important movie because it talks about the whole history of the secret psychic spying program, Stargate that we all know and love.
So I just wanted to give you a quick heads-up. Lance is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, the movie is important, but there is this underlying tension in this interview because I don’t exactly see things the same way that Lance does, but hey, who cares? That’s level three, right? We don’t have to agree on everything. Here’s a guy who’s done a terrific movie, here are some clips from the show.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:55] The storyline that the movie follows is that Russell Targ, who is of course one of the original principal investigators in this Stargate remote viewing program and he’s going to reconnect with all of these people that have been a part of this amazing program and then the threat of the story is, “Okay guys, we can now tell the story that we wanted to tell for so long.”
Lance Mungia: [00:01:23] Frankly, he literally showed up at my door with a big box full of documents that were marked classified, that had been released, and he starts laying out all of these documents on a table and I started to actually question it, because it was so incredible. I remember going to bed after meeting him the first night and thinking, “Is this guy like for real?” I mean, this is something that is so incredible that I’m only going to really be able to do something like this if I can get everybody, because it was one of those things where, if it’s just one person saying it, it sounds too outlandish.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:57] The conspiratorial guy that I am, one of the first questions I had from the beginning is, why do you think they released all of these documents? I have a hard time believing it’s just for the vanity or the interest of this sweet old man, Professor Russell Targ, who says, “I’d like to do this final tour,” and the CIA says, “Oh great, well, here’s 60 thousand documents that we never released before.”
Lance Mungia: [00:02:27] Oh, I have all kinds of thoughts on that. We think of government as a monolithic thing, the government is coming up with this or the government is hiding this. Government intentionally is very dysfunctional. The presidents and elected officials are always the last to know.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:50] Would you say the CIA director often falls in that category too, because I would?
Lance Mungia: [00:02:55] Yeah, I mean possibly. I would say the CIA director probably knows more than the president does, but Russell and how the two scientists that started this program in the 70s were both already vetted people working within established intelligence circles and they were respected within the intelligence community that had an official oversight.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:19] Let me just clarify, you’re saying, as opposed , as we do understand it now, some programs that are just black.
Lance Mungia: [00:03:26] Yeah, these were not black programs, these were secret programs but they had oversight, and if you think about something like remote viewing, how easy is it to do remote viewing? Basically you close your eyes, you imagine where your target is hiding and then you write down what comes to your mind, the first unexpected images that you get, and that’s it. So it doesn’t take billions of dollars, it doesn’t take fighter jets, but the government is uniquely placed to be able to find out if you’re right or wrong. So you can infiltrate the regular intelligence agencies by giving them information and not telling them where it comes from.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:06] So these guys are playing this disinformation, misinformation and spread of information at a 3D chess level that we don’t totally even get.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:16] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:17] If take what you’re saying and extend it to that, knows what’s going on.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:23] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:24] What do you think those guys are doing with the UFO disclosure thing?
Lance Mungia: [00:04:28] Well, that’s right where I was going to go. My take on both them, with remote viewing, and them with the UFO thing, and I am talking specifically about people that I interviewed that were still sort of involved in these kinds of projects, even by their own admission, is that these are people who are on the inside but they’re not really on the inside.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:51] Let me just throw this out because I’m just dying to get someone’s opinion on this who’s truly thought about it and studied it, as you have. It seems to me that there’s this straight-up political thing that’s going on, that too few people talk about. There’s a left, right, republican, democrat, if you will, kind of flavor to some of this, and the UFO disclosure thing is clearly coming from the left, and I don’t say that to prejudice it in anyway, it just clearly, clearly is. It’s Podesta and Clinton were originally the ones that wanted to bring it out and they weren’t elected, so Tom DeLonge, who was hooked into that, went ahead and brought it out anyway. And Peter Levenda, who was part of that whole thing. I’m just saying, in broad strokes that seems to be one of the overlays on this and I’d love to hear anything you think about that?
Lance Mungia: [00:05:44] Well number one, Trump will be the last person they ever tell, he’ll be the last one on the boat I think.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:05:51] But he has his own people who are telling him.
Lance Mungia: [00:05:54] Well, he’s starting Space Force and we don’t know why, and all of this kind of stuff, yes. I don’t know that it’s left versus right, as much as it is sort of logic versus superstition.
by Alex Tsakiris | Dec 3 | Consciousness Research, Parapsychology
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Lance Mungia’s Third Eye Spies is a terrific movie, but what’s really behind this new openness about secret remote viewing programs.
I have an interview coming up in a minute with Lance Mungia. He’s the creator of the movie, it’s been out for a little while now, it’s called Third Eye Spies. If you like the stuff we talk about here and I guess that’s why you’re here, then this is a really important movie because it talks about the whole history of the secret psychic spying program, Stargate that we all know and love.
So I just wanted to give you a quick heads-up. Lance is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, the movie is important, but there is this underlying tension in this interview because I don’t exactly see things the same way that Lance does, but hey, who cares? That’s level three, right? We don’t have to agree on everything. Here’s a guy who’s done a terrific movie, here are some clips from the show.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:55] The storyline that the movie follows is that Russell Targ, who is of course one of the original principal investigators in this Stargate remote viewing program and he’s going to reconnect with all of these people that have been a part of this amazing program and then the threat of the story is, “Okay guys, we can now tell the story that we wanted to tell for so long.”
Lance Mungia: [00:01:23] Frankly, he literally showed up at my door with a big box full of documents that were marked classified, that had been released, and he starts laying out all of these documents on a table and I started to actually question it, because it was so incredible. I remember going to bed after meeting him the first night and thinking, “Is this guy like for real?” I mean, this is something that is so incredible that I’m only going to really be able to do something like this if I can get everybody, because it was one of those things where, if it’s just one person saying it, it sounds too outlandish.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:57] The conspiratorial guy that I am, one of the first questions I had from the beginning is, why do you think they released all of these documents? I have a hard time believing it’s just for the vanity or the interest of this sweet old man, Professor Russell Targ, who says, “I’d like to do this final tour,” and the CIA says, “Oh great, well, here’s 60 thousand documents that we never released before.”
Lance Mungia: [00:02:27] Oh, I have all kinds of thoughts on that. We think of government as a monolithic thing, the government is coming up with this or the government is hiding this. Government intentionally is very dysfunctional. The presidents and elected officials are always the last to know.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:50] Would you say the CIA director often falls in that category too, because I would?
Lance Mungia: [00:02:55] Yeah, I mean possibly. I would say the CIA director probably knows more than the president does, but Russell and how the two scientists that started this program in the 70s were both already vetted people working within established intelligence circles and they were respected within the intelligence community that had an official oversight.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:19] Let me just clarify, you’re saying, as opposed , as we do understand it now, some programs that are just black.
Lance Mungia: [00:03:26] Yeah, these were not black programs, these were secret programs but they had oversight, and if you think about something like remote viewing, how easy is it to do remote viewing? Basically you close your eyes, you imagine where your target is hiding and then you write down what comes to your mind, the first unexpected images that you get, and that’s it. So it doesn’t take billions of dollars, it doesn’t take fighter jets, but the government is uniquely placed to be able to find out if you’re right or wrong. So you can infiltrate the regular intelligence agencies by giving them information and not telling them where it comes from.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:06] So these guys are playing this disinformation, misinformation and spread of information at a 3D chess level that we don’t totally even get.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:16] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:17] If take what you’re saying and extend it to that, knows what’s going on.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:23] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:24] What do you think those guys are doing with the UFO disclosure thing?
Lance Mungia: [00:04:28] Well, that’s right where I was going to go. My take on both them, with remote viewing, and them with the UFO thing, and I am talking specifically about people that I interviewed that were still sort of involved in these kinds of projects, even by their own admission, is that these are people who are on the inside but they’re not really on the inside.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:51] Let me just throw this out because I’m just dying to get someone’s opinion on this who’s truly thought about it and studied it, as you have. It seems to me that there’s this straight-up political thing that’s going on, that too few people talk about. There’s a left, right, republican, democrat, if you will, kind of flavor to some of this, and the UFO disclosure thing is clearly coming from the left, and I don’t say that to prejudice it in anyway, it just clearly, clearly is. It’s Podesta and Clinton were originally the ones that wanted to bring it out and they weren’t elected, so Tom DeLonge, who was hooked into that, went ahead and brought it out anyway. And Peter Levenda, who was part of that whole thing. I’m just saying, in broad strokes that seems to be one of the overlays on this and I’d love to hear anything you think about that?
Lance Mungia: [00:05:44] Well number one, Trump will be the last person they ever tell, he’ll be the last one on the boat I think.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:05:51] But he has his own people who are telling him.
Lance Mungia: [00:05:54] Well, he’s starting Space Force and we don’t know why, and all of this kind of stuff, yes. I don’t know that it’s left versus right, as much as it is sort of logic versus superstition.