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This comment seems like the perfect entry point for me into this forum as a long time listener to the show and to answer Alex's request for more forum engagement from listeners.
On many occasions I've heard this assertion about unreliable information from spirit/ET during Skeptiko and other podcast interviews. A fine observation, but to use Alex's level 1, level 2 framing, I keep waiting for the level 3 discourse on this issue on Skeptiko.
I have a small point, but I think it is worthy of consideration. If we are living through a test of some kind in this existence, or at the very least a series of challenges that are something akin to an alchemical process (i.e. refinement of the soul,) it seems to me that misinformation or deception from beyond the veil may be, to use an Alan Watts-ism, the wrong thing working in the right way.
I'd like to see more discussion around the interplay between the macro and micro considerations on this issue. To put it succinctly, what may be disorder at one level, may be order at another. The process of fire is destructive, but it is also regenerative.
The nub of my point is that a negative can seed a positive event, and vice versa, in perpetuity. It seems instructive, to me at least, to look at issues of information from the other side through this lens.
Moreover, the implications for the messages an individual receives, may have implications for that individual (eg. Whitley Streiber,) and society in general, in all configurations (++, +-, -+, --).
I'm personally more comfortable with a Taoist approach to considering the benefits or otherwise of misinformation from spirt/ETs, than being stuck in the variables of despair over whether the information is good/evil, true/false.
Decartes' vision that "through number and measure, nature can be conquered," may be looked at in an amoral fashion, as both an advancement and a regression, depending on your worldview.
So, the level 3 jumping off point for me is, are these messages designed to shape the individual or society or both? Are we in a game of bumper bowling where the messages help course correct individuals/society towards some end? Perhaps, course correction is all there is, with no fixed destination in mind?
I'd like to hear some of the minds greater than my own here bat this around. I'm at an impasse in my own thinking on the subject.
I get your point. I can't imagine what it's like to talk to dead Spirits all the time And then be asked to judge the veracity of their answers about the big picture questions. One thing seems certain - There's a lot of contrary conclusions from Spirit/s.
This comment seems like the perfect entry point for me into this forum as a long time listener to the show and to answer Alex's request for more forum engagement from listeners.
On many occasions I've heard this assertion about unreliable information from spirit/ET during Skeptiko and other podcast interviews. A fine observation, but to use Alex's level 1, level 2 framing, I keep waiting for the level 3 discourse on this issue on Skeptiko.
I have a small point, but I think it is worthy of consideration. If we are living through a test of some kind in this existence, or at the very least a series of challenges that are something akin to an alchemical process (i.e. refinement of the soul,) it seems to me that misinformation or deception from beyond the veil may be, to use an Alan Watts-ism, the wrong thing working in the right way.
I'd like to see more discussion around the interplay between the macro and micro considerations on this issue. To put it succinctly, what may be disorder at one level, may be order at another. The process of fire is destructive, but it is also regenerative.
The nub of my point is that a negative can seed a positive event, and vice versa, in perpetuity. It seems instructive, to me at least, to look at issues of information from the other side through this lens.
Moreover, the implications for the messages an individual receives, may have implications for that individual (eg. Whitley Streiber,) and society in general, in all configurations (++, +-, -+, --).
I'm personally more comfortable with a Taoist approach to considering the benefits or otherwise of misinformation from spirt/ETs, than being stuck in the variables of despair over whether the information is good/evil, true/false.
Decartes' vision that "through number and measure, nature can be conquered," may be looked at in an amoral fashion, as both an advancement and a regression, depending on your worldview.
So, the level 3 jumping off point for me is, are these messages designed to shape the individual or society or both? Are we in a game of bumper bowling where the messages help course correct individuals/society towards some end? Perhaps, course correction is all there is, with no fixed destination in mind?
I'd like to hear some of the minds greater than my own here bat this around. I'm at an impasse in my own thinking on the subject.
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