Mark Gober, Great Reset, Right Action |581|

[Nelson]

That's a completely subjective take Jim. You're welcome to it, but you can't substantiate it as fact.

Its just as easy to paint a picture of Trump as an egocentric figure seeking the highest office to placate himself. A marketer. Someone who's broken promises at scale in business in the past. Its all there.

I don't know how you'd know he was being authentic unless you knew the man's soul (which you don't).

Exactly!
So often I hear that Trump "tried his best", but that he faced opposition from within. This conveniently leaves out the fact that Trump appointed the neocons HIMSELF!!!

Trump didn't drain the swamp. He restocked it with swamp creatures.

Explanation that is most in alignment with observable reality:

1) Trump = narcissist who played the electorate for his own self-agrandisement

2) Trump = controlled opposition

3) both of the above

 

[Nelson]

The way I see it, it was the electorate that kept Trump somewhat in check, to follow up at least somewhat on his America First / disbanding of imperialism policies.

So it's thanks to grassroots American patriots that 2016-2020 were in some ways relatively good years in policy.

Even so, it didn't stop Trump / his string-pullers from attacking Syria, arming Ukraine and spreading hatred of Russia, maintaining NATO and U.S. military bases around the world... And then creating a medical tyranny, including the pushing of a dangerous injection for the population......

 

[David Bailey]

Contrast my personal anecdote with the disproportionate number of lower-class blacks in the US that could not be bribed or coerced into taking the clot shot. Not the adults, not the kids, not even for money. Can they make a coherant argument around why this is so obviously and deeply wise? No sir.

My impression is that 'working class' people (an English expression) have a sixth sense as to when they are being conned. Certainly when I chatted to people, a remark like "well we have both survived the pandemic so far" generated a laugh, but some more wealthy folk took the pandemic very seriously indeed.

 

[David Bailey]

Exactly!
So often I hear that Trump "tried his best", but that he faced opposition from within. This conveniently leaves out the fact that Trump appointed the neocons HIMSELF!!!

Trump didn't drain the swamp. He restocked it with swamp creatures.

Explanation that is most in alignment with observable reality:

1) Trump = narcissist who played the electorate for his own self-agrandisement

2) Trump = controlled opposition

3) both of the above

You need to remember the forces that were lined up against Trump including a corrupt justice system. For example TWICE he was faced with false flag gas attacks in Syria designed to force him into a major war. He sidestepped both of these. He did his best in very difficult circumstances.

Remember, that he didn't start a war - a major achievement for a US president!

David

 

[Alex]

1) Trump = narcissist who played the electorate for his own self-agrandisement

2) Trump = controlled opposition

3) both of the above

haha... I pick 3 but think 2 is the real story. Trump is the covid president. now that we know what we know about the plandemic we must assume that Trump was read-in from the get-go.

Also, Now that we know what we know about Epstein ( thanks to Whitney Webb) we must assume that he's been deeply compromised for a long time. moreover, it seems like he didn't care about being compromised because he enjoyed doing the things that led him to being compromised.

Don't forget Trump's famous, "where's my Roy Cohn?"

 

[Nelson]

He did his best in very difficult circumstances.

It amazes me that even such an intelligent, free-thinking individual as yourself would come to the conclusion that Trump was "trying his best"...

As Alex aptly said, Trump was the covid president.

I'd go even further than Alex though. Imo Trump is at least a narcissist and maybe even a full-blown psychopath

 

[First Last]

My impression is that 'working class' people (an English expression) have a sixth sense as to when they are being conned. Certainly when I chatted to people, a remark like "well we have both survived the pandemic so far" generated a laugh, but some more wealthy folk took the pandemic very seriously indeed.

For sure, and I don't think it's terribly mysterious - when you grow up around people trying to make ends meet you encounter the hustle. Government is the ultimate hustle so ... voila

 

[David Bailey]

It amazes me that even such an intelligent, free-thinking individual as yourself would come to the conclusion that Trump was "trying his best"...

As Alex aptly said, Trump was the covid president.

I'd go even further than Alex though. Imo Trump is at least a narcissist and maybe even a full-blown psychopath

Well let's face it, none of us would make a good politician, and I'm sure that Trump would be a pain to live with, but he promised no war while he was President, and he kept to that decision, even though he was sorely provoked to escalate the war in Syria.

He had to cope with a hell of a lot of distractions, such as the endless inquiry into Russiagate.

I'd give him my vote again now.

David

 

[Silence]

For sure, and I don't think it's terribly mysterious - when you grow up around people trying to make ends meet you encounter the hustle. Government is the ultimate hustle so ... voila

This doesn't square at all with reality though.

As PT Barnum famously quipped, "There's a sucker born every minute."

We have crytpo investing (FTX), people spending 100's a week on lottery tickets, etc. All forms of hustle and people willing fall for it again, and again, and again. 'Working class' as David put it are famous for it. Comical to indicate otherwise.... well unless it fits one's narrative I guess. ;)

Government's far from the ultimate side hustle. Its just part of the human condition.

 

[Alex]

I'd go even further than Alex though. Imo Trump is at least a narcissist and maybe even a full-blown psychopath

Those labels are tricky, but I know what you mean and agree.

I was never sure what to make of some of the stories about Trump and his exploits with Epstein, but looking back I have to conclude that they're most likely true. i.e. Trump and Epstein were competitors of a sort, egging each other on to do more absurdly wicked things with women.

 

[Silence]

The Trump psyop was masterful. That such an obviously marketer was able to fool so many who consider themselves intellectuals just proves it.

Sometimes, actually MOST of the time, things are what they actually seem and appear to be.

 

[Hurmanetar]

Imo Trump is at least a narcissist and maybe even a full-blown psychopath

Having recently studied narcissism, I disagree. Trump’s self-promotion is merely shallow marketing. Of course you can’t really know the real person from where we sit, but I don’t see the narcissistic rage protecting the fragile sense of self. I see a calculating business man with a big ego (definitely not a fragile sense of self) who values marketing over truth and on some level might be pro-American but is also deeply compromised. Maybe he made a few good plays for American business but did nothing to unseat the corruption of the deep state or “drain the swamp”.

I supported Trump in the first election because the CIA controlled media seemed to hate him so much and he appeared to be willing to expose some corruption and Hillary seemed like an expedited route to WWIII. But a few days into his presidency there was the fake Syrian gas attack and the 59 tomahawk cruise missiles he launched and it was obvious: new boss same as old boss. I completely checked out of politics after that. I didn’t even vote or pay much attention to the last election as it was so obviously rigged and I didn’t care for Trump anymore anyway.

Back on topic: 15 minute city protest in Oxford.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626933608039559171

 

[Nelson]

The Trump psyop was masterful. That such an obviously marketer was able to fool so many who consider themselves intellectuals just proves it.

Sometimes, actually MOST of the time, things are what they actually seem and appear to be.

Well said!

 

[Nelson]

Having recently studied narcissism, I disagree. Trump’s self-promotion is merely shallow marketing. Of course you can’t really know the real person from where we sit, but I don’t see the narcissistic rage protecting the fragile sense of self. I see a calculating business man with a big ego (definitely not a fragile sense of self) who values marketing over truth and on some level might be pro-American but is also deeply compromised. Maybe he made a few good plays for American business but did nothing to unseat the corruption of the deep state or “drain the swamp”.

I supported Trump in the first election because the CIA controlled media seemed to hate him so much and he appeared to be willing to expose some corruption and Hillary seemed like an expedited route to WWIII. But a few days into his presidency there was the fake Syrian gas attack and the 59 tomahawk cruise missiles he launched and it was obvious: new boss same as old boss. I completely checked out of politics after that. I didn’t even vote or pay much attention to the last election as it was so obviously rigged and I didn’t care for Trump anymore anyway.

Back on topic: 15 minute city protest in Oxford.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626933608039559171

Excellent points. I realised Trump was deeply compromised when he selected the neocon Mike Pence as his VP running mate. That was an enormous red flag.