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[superqualia]

That's an intriguing idea. I'd never thought about there being any difference b/c as Jeffrey Mishlove discussed in The PK Man, it becomes very difficult to separate which ability is being used. Did Ted Owens summon the SIS or did he use precognition to predict their appearance? After all, I think psychics tune in to the wave versus the particle state of being, where there's no time, no distance, just the One.

I have my doubts that the aliens ted owens interacted with was anything other than mental projection. We know it occurs during a shared NDE. We have no idea how it occurs. And their are other examples of shared experiences of alien crafts.

For example, Ray Hernandez claims he and his wife saw a phenomena inside his house. His wife saw an angel but he saw something else -- a tiny ufo. Does this sound right or am I remembering the story wrong? In any case, at another time point he went outside and their was a ufo outside which he claims his daughter and I think a neighbor saw.

The whole thing is super confusing.

 

[Kim]

I have my doubts that the aliens ted owens interacted with was anything other than mental projection. We know it occurs during a shared NDE. We have no idea how it occurs. And their are other examples of shared experiences of alien crafts.

For example, Ray Hernandez claims he and his wife saw a phenomena inside his house. His wife saw an angel but he saw something else -- a tiny ufo. Does this sound right or am I remembering the story wrong? In any case, at another time point he went outside and their was a ufo outside which he claims his daughter and I think a neighbor saw.

The whole thing is super confusing.

I couldn't agree more. Mishlove has said that Ted himself never really thought that his SIS were extra-terrestrials, but existed in a higher dimensional world. To make things even more confusing, Jason Reza Jorjani theorizes that ETs are from the future. Humankind has reached a genetic & environmental dead-end & they're trying to steer us away from the worst choices. Robin Foy's Blue, an ET, has an markedly large interest in the biosphere's degradation. Check out 'Understanding the Grays' on New Thinking Allowed.

 

[Alex]

I also think it would make sense for Artificial Intelligence to be an amplification of the same, such that if it is created on a foundation of evil, it would lead toward an evil-human singularity if nothing stops it.

ok but what are you going to do with something like resuscitation. this is a medical technology that is directly resulting in more near-death experiences... many of which are spiritually transformative christ consciousness experiences. so, I don't know, I think the big-picture spirituality stuff is pretty straightforward -- do the right thing... love everyone... tell the truth.

but I'm real resistant to anything that smacks of the cult-ified religious dogma that we now know is laden with mind control social engineering land mines.

The only other thought I had on the interview is that it might be about time to start pushing harder on the Mediums, Psychics, and RV's, to give up more details on Where these entities exist. They always seem to say "I can't say for sure", but F that, If they're spending 1000's of hours There, they know where There is! And I think it's about time we start demanding they go out on a limb a little more. Our entire species is being genetically experimented on and who knows if we win this battle.

yeah I'm headed in the other direction. I'd rather have a medium admit that they don't know what the f*** they're really doing.

I'm totally ok with just measuring whether they're accurate and not taking the speculation too far beyond that.

 

[superqualia]

I couldn't agree more. Mishlove has said that Ted himself never really thought that his SIS were extra-terrestrials, but existed in a higher dimensional world. To make things even more confusing, Jason Reza Jorjani theorizes that ETs are from the future. Humankind has reached a genetic & environmental dead-end & they're trying to steer us away from the worst choices. Robin Foy's Blue, an ET, has an markedly large interest in the biosphere's degradation. Check out 'Understanding the Grays' on New Thinking Allowed.

Well, either all the aliens are neutral or at least one species has decided to take control. It would seem obvious their is something creating that interest for them and so the safest assumption is that they are already in control, methinks.

The idea that being a 'go getter' and taking action and doing is wrong couldn't be more true. I just don't see any evidence that it is the winning strategy. Alex says being the the one who takes action is the one who is in the wrong. We need to do something -- so we think, but then look at what happens.

Name an entity that usually wins with that strategy -- of giving in, of being love. The winners of our society are like DuPont:

Or the catholic church, or those scientists helping the government create atomic weapons. If we didn't make them first (I am an american) would america be american or german?

Ok so Alex, why not help with the soulphone? And prove their is some justice in this world? You are stopped by michael jackson? Really? REALLY!

Also, could you open source the damned soulphone?

 

[Kim]

Well, either all the aliens are neutral or at least one species has decided to take control. It would seem obvious their is something creating that interest for them and so the safest assumption is that they are already in control, methinks.

The idea that being a 'go getter' and taking action and doing is wrong couldn't be more true. I just don't see any evidence that it is the winning strategy. Alex says being the the one who takes action is the one who is in the wrong. We need to do something -- so we think, but then look at what happens.

Name an entity that usually wins with that strategy -- of giving in, of being love. The winners of our society are like DuPont:

Or the catholic church, or those scientists helping the government create atomic weapons. If we didn't make them first (I am an american) would america be american or german?

Ok so Alex, why not help with the soulphone? And prove their is some justice in this world? You are stopped by michael jackson? Really? REALLY!

Also, could you open source the damned soulphone?

If you missed Skeptiko's interview about John Mack, I'd recommend watching it. New Thinking Allowed has some interviews w/ Ralph Blumenthal as well. It's key to me that Ralph makes the point we've never photographed the Grays or any of the other forms. With all the cell phones, CCTV, etc., how has that happened? Yet we know they have a physical form, show up on radar, sonar, & so on. Another odd thing is this repetitive nature of ET's experimentation/invasive investigations of abductees. Do they really need to replicate or redo their research that much?
On a bit of a tangent, I believe they've been around for an extremely long time, just like humanity has. I know, I know, Ancient Aliens is a bit one-track minded, but it's very difficult to ignore the archeological evidence, not to mention so many scriptural accounts, their acknowledgement by isolated groups' shamans (see Jan Van Ysslestyne, Why Shamans Don't Do iPhones, Skeptiko #395), and by the hollow Moon idea.
I believe it is some past S. American civilizations, among others, that recorded talk of the 'time BEFORE the Moon.' Also, it's pretty plain that unless NASA is fabricating its experimental data, the Moon rings like a bell when struck w/ great force. It's always struck me as very odd that the Moon is tidal locked w/ only one face shown to the Earth.
On a personal level, I got a shock the other day. After all these years (9) of my wife knowing my keen interest in psi, ET, reincarnation (she's got a slave tattoo on her inner thigh just like I do), & many other fringe things, she finally not too long ago remembered seeing a "ball of fire" take a flattened U-shaped path in the night sky in the Philippines. She & her mom & pop were lying down outside late at night when they all 3 saw it. Northern Cebu Island is not any where near Cebu City's airport & aircraft of any kind are very, very rare. Once in a great while, a pot farm hunting helicopter tracks over & around a bit during the day, but practically nothing else.

 

[Alex]

Ok so Alex, why not help with the soulphone?

do you think this is one of those situations where god needs our help?

 

[superqualia]

do you think this is one of those situations where god needs our help?

I was thinking we should do this because you are curious, not because we are going to help God. I mean, its why I am here.

In fact, I cannot think of a potential solution greater than the soulphone to questions which we are all curious. And you are stumped on what to do? Hmm. No I think you don't want an answer anymore.

1. it may not work and this is the most plausible outcome
2. it works -- human culture is annihilated.

I want answers. I don't expect God to be on the other side. I think the whole thing is a technology. I would love for you to prove me wrong.

Eg, head transplants -- what will happen. The whole thing is a technology or are we something more. This is why you won't help in my view.

 

[superqualia]

If you missed Skeptiko's interview about John Mack, I'd recommend watching it. New Thinking Allowed has some interviews w/ Ralph Blumenthal as well. It's key to me that Ralph makes the point we've never photographed the Grays or any of the other forms. With all the cell phones, CCTV, etc., how has that happened? Yet we know they have a physical form, show up on radar, sonar, & so on. Another odd thing is this repetitive nature of ET's experimentation/invasive investigations of abductees. Do they really need to replicate or redo their research that much?
On a bit of a tangent, I believe they've been around for an extremely long time, just like humanity has. I know, I know, Ancient Aliens is a bit one-track minded, but it's very difficult to ignore the archeological evidence, not to mention so many scriptural accounts, their acknowledgement by isolated groups' shamans (see Jan Van Ysslestyne, Why Shamans Don't Do iPhones, Skeptiko #395), and by the hollow Moon idea.
I believe it is some past S. American civilizations, among others, that recorded talk of the 'time BEFORE the Moon.' Also, it's pretty plain that unless NASA is fabricating its experimental data, the Moon rings like a bell when struck w/ great force. It's always struck me as very odd that the Moon is tidal locked w/ only one face shown to the Earth.
On a personal level, I got a shock the other day. After all these years (9) of my wife knowing my keen interest in psi, ET, reincarnation (she's got a slave tattoo on her inner thigh just like I do), & many other fringe things, she finally not too long ago remembered seeing a "ball of fire" take a flattened U-shaped path in the night sky in the Philippines. She & her mom & pop were lying down outside late at night when they all 3 saw it. Northern Cebu Island is not any where near Cebu City's airport & aircraft of any kind are very, very rare. Once in a great while, a pot farm hunting helicopter tracks over & around a bit during the day, but practically nothing else.

@on fabrication by nasa

Ok, but so is russia and china, ditto for cases like the nimitz incident where they have to coordinate and hide and also the aliens have to hide by not landing in urban areas and staying down too long

@slave tatoo / shock

I think their is merit to the whole thing being a technology of control, assuming their is an afterlife. Who knows who we are contacting but I want to find out via the soulphone, if it can work (really its just a keyboard once it works)

 

[Kim]

Right! There's just enough cat & mouse to the ET question to make it interesting. Here's a strange case you may not have heard about. A woman named Pam Johnson, who is of Japanese descent, has on-going contact w/ her deceased husband, Allen or Allan. He helps her by giving readings in part b/c he left abruptly & she was very hurt & lonely b/c of that. Pam has a FB page & Tricia Barker interviewed her in the recent NDE Summit she organized.
This kind of thing still throws me b/c of my yoga/Buddhist background & the whole issue of attachment to impermanent things like ppl. On the other hand, it's quite wonderful that the Almighty has a merciful nature & gives us access to the 'dead.'
One other person I'm learning about is Dr. Terri Daniels, who has re-organized The Afterlife Conference into the Conference on Death, Grief, & Belief. Her son had a rare medical condition that led to his early passing. In the deterioration process, he lost his ability to speak, so she spent a tremendous amount of time w/him, teaching him all she knew about the afterlife, completely ridding him of any fear of death & the lie of it as the end of existence. She's in contact w/ him in a similar way to Pam Johnson's Allen, if I understand that correctly. Here's Dr. Daniel's email: office@deathgriefandbelief.com

 

[superqualia]

To be fair we no more know the people on the other side are our love ones then if "god" exists. I continue to ask, is it a technology or is it god?

Suzanne Geisman became a medium as a result of trauma caused by the death of her step daughter and future grandchild by lightning. She believes it was a lesson. I believe instead we need to punish the designer. Anybody with me?

You think their is nothing we can do. But if we are one with the designer than clearly we have far more power than we give ourselves credit for.

Ask yourself this: if we are immortal and we re-live life through birth, clearly we would choose a better life. One without unneccesary harm for "lessons" we have no control over. We would have control if we understood, if we did not have our memories erased.

We do not even know if any of this is true.

 

[Kim]

To be fair we no more know the people on the other side are our love ones then if "god" exists. I continue to ask, is it a technology or is it god?

Suzanne Geisman became a medium as a result of trauma caused by the death of her step daughter and future grandchild by lightning. She believes it was a lesson. I believe instead we need to punish the designer. Anybody with me?

You think their is nothing we can do. But if we are one with the designer than clearly we have far more power than we give ourselves credit for.

Ask yourself this: if we are immortal and we re-live life through birth, clearly we would choose a better life. One without unneccesary harm for "lessons" we have no control over. We would have control if we understood, if we did not have our memories erased.

We do not even know if any of this is true.

Damn! You raise a lot of really good objections. I guess I could start out w/ George Storm's NDE: after a brief tour of Hell, he was rescued by J.C. & given a mission. He summed up his many christian missionary works as 'God get what He wants.' At the other end of the spectrum are ppl like this French woman who had three NDEs, one of which was a suicide. Oh, she was deeply sad & wanted to see the beautiful lady again who took care of her when she died from a snake bite, so she over-dosed. All I get from reading & hearing story after story after story is that we're here to take responsibility for ourselves, "to learn to bear the beams of love" as William Blake put it.
In re: to control, I absolutely agree w/ you. As Stanley Krippner commented, seeking the siddhis or psi abilities is an expression of our need for control or choice. The way to that power is available to those who steadfastly seek it! For example, Robert Thurman did an outstanding job of explaining why knowledge of the bardo states are so valuable: if you die fully conscious, w/o fear & aware of what you're experiencing, then you can make a much better choice of your next experience. A wonderful lady named Jennifer Dumpert confirmed that the dying are in the hypnagogic
state shortly before passing. This makes sense since hypnagogia is the drowsy stage right before being in stage 1 slumber. So the dying enter hypnagogia as they leave one dream life in preparation for another! This is why Alice Bailey said the best practice for conscious dying is BEING AWARE OF THE MOMENT YOU GO ASLEEP. Fantastic! This is why I'm learning to lucid dream. Part of that ability is telling when you're asleep & when you're dreaming. Remembering to notice you're dreaming is a real challenge.

 

[Wormwood]

If you’ve ever received a spot on reading from a medium, it will change your life. I made an experiment out of my reading. I sought out one which was highly regarded from people I know from various metaphysical online communities. I made sure she didn’t know my name beforehand, and the things she knew guys, it was impossible. Things that, even if she did know my name, certainly could not be found on the internet. It was absolutely life changing and helped me heal

One example, out of dozens she gave me- she knew the details of my brothers death 21 years ago. None of this is online. I don’t even think he has an obituary online. In 1999, that was often the case.

He died coming home from a party, at night on a country road. The car burned, we never knew if he died before the flames got him, but we hoped. Do this day I don’t know how or why the car burned.

She says, “you have a brother right?”

“yes, well one living one deceased”

“Your deceased brother died in an accident. I’m seeing that he’s alone, and that it’s at night.”

“wow, yes”

“There was some question as to whether he suffered or not. There was flames. He was not dead when the flames got to him, but he was comatose and didn’t feel a thing.”

Im just sitting there with my jaw nearly on the floor

But, something interesting happened.

My other brother textd me a week earlier and told me that he was breaking up with his girlfriend of 10 years.

After talking about my deceased brother, she said, “your other brother, I’m seeing a divorce.” My jaw dropped further.

There’s about 12 other things that she nailed. But it got me thinking. While this did help me heal. Did she just read my mind using Psi? I mean, she knew things about both my living brother and dead brother….

 

[superqualia]

If you’ve ever received a spot on reading from a medium, it will change your life. I made an experiment out of my reading. I sought out one which was highly regarded from people I know from various metaphysical online communities. I made sure she didn’t know my name beforehand, and the things she knew guys, it was impossible. Things that, even if she did know my name, certainly could not be found on the internet. It was absolutely life changing and helped me heal

One example, out of dozens she gave me- she knew the details of my brothers death 21 years ago. None of this is online. I don’t even think he has an obituary online. In 1999, that was often the case.

He died coming home from a party, at night on a country road. The car burned, we never knew if he died before the flames got him, but we hoped. Do this day I don’t know how or why the car burned.

She says, “you have a brother right?”

“yes, well one living one deceased”

“Your deceased brother died in an accident. I’m seeing that he’s alone, and that it’s at night.”

“wow, yes”

“There was some question as to whether he suffered or not. There was flames. He was not dead when the flames got to him, but he was comatose and didn’t feel a thing.”

Im just sitting there with my jaw nearly on the floor

But, something interesting happened.

My other brother textd me a week earlier and told me that he was breaking up with his girlfriend of 10 years.

After talking about my deceased brother, she said, “your other brother, I’m seeing a divorce.” My jaw dropped further.

There’s about 12 other things that she nailed. But it got me thinking. While this did help me heal. Did she just read my mind using Psi? I mean, she knew things about both my living brother and dead brother….

That sounds interesting but I still trust the research more than my intuition.

 

[superqualia]

do you think this is one of those situations where god needs our help?

Well, another obvious reason is billions of people have their doubts that god exists, or the certainly act like they doubt it. Also, I reject the idea its God on the other side. Its a technology.

 

[Hurmanetar]

There’s about 12 other things that she nailed. But it got me thinking. While this did help me heal. Did she just read my mind using Psi? I mean, she knew things about both my living brother and dead brother….

Very impressive. I've had similar spot on experiences... one spontaneously in the context of a Christian worship night and one from a psychic that I sought out.

I have had the same question about Psi... a body is very useful as a locus of information identification. When you separate information from the locus of the body how do you identify the source of the information? Is it stored "in the cloud"? The cosmic cloud?

 

[Kim]

If you’ve ever received a spot on reading from a medium, it will change your life. I made an experiment out of my reading. I sought out one which was highly regarded from people I know from various metaphysical online communities. I made sure she didn’t know my name beforehand, and the things she knew guys, it was impossible. Things that, even if she did know my name, certainly could not be found on the internet. It was absolutely life changing and helped me heal

One example, out of dozens she gave me- she knew the details of my brothers death 21 years ago. None of this is online. I don’t even think he has an obituary online. In 1999, that was often the case.

He died coming home from a party, at night on a country road. The car burned, we never knew if he died before the flames got him, but we hoped. Do this day I don’t know how or why the car burned.

She says, “you have a brother right?”

“yes, well one living one deceased”

“Your deceased brother died in an accident. I’m seeing that he’s alone, and that it’s at night.”

“wow, yes”

“There was some question as to whether he suffered or not. There was flames. He was not dead when the flames got to him, but he was comatose and didn’t feel a thing.”

Im just sitting there with my jaw nearly on the floor

But, something interesting happened.

My other brother textd me a week earlier and told me that he was breaking up with his girlfriend of 10 years.

After talking about my deceased brother, she said, “your other brother, I’m seeing a divorce.” My jaw dropped further.

There’s about 12 other things that she nailed. But it got me thinking. While this did help me heal. Did she just read my mind using Psi? I mean, she knew things about both my living brother and dead brother….

Incredible story! Thanks for sharing. Like J. Mishlove has said, it becomes very difficult to separately identify which psi ability is being used. Telepathy? Reading the akashic record? A spirit or some entity told them? Remote viewing?
One of my favorite experiences that I had on the way back from Virginia after finishing a 10 day Gateway Experience was on the bus. You can only sleep & read so much on long bus journeys, so I was glad I could practice the deep relaxation techniques that I had just learned. I was deeply settled in my seat & enjoying that expanded sense of space that comes w/ it when I 'saw' an orange muscle car, a Mustang, tearing along the interstate at a very high speed. It was in the on-coming traffic & swerved into the lane nearest the concrete barrier topped by chain-link fencing that separated the traffic lanes. Seconds later, it exploded up the barrier into the fencing & slid along.
My eyes flew open & I sat bolt upright & not 3 or 4 seconds later, I saw the exact same thing replayed out the window of the bus to the left no more than 5 feet away from me! It was like somebody thought, Hell, boy, open your eyes & sit up. You don't want to miss this!!
You can probably understand that I didn't do any more DR for a while after that.

 

[Kim]

Very impressive. I've had similar spot on experiences... one spontaneously in the context of a Christian worship night and one from a psychic that I sought out.

I have had the same question about Psi... a body is very useful as a locus of information identification. When you separate information from the locus of the body how do you identify the source of the information? Is it stored "in the cloud"? The cosmic cloud?

I conceive it as remote viewing of the person's energy body if the medium isn't in the same room. This is probably how Edgar Cayce did his readings of ppl far from him. Otherwise, someone nearby is 'read' in a similar fashion to how we get impressions about ppl when we look at their physical bodies. A medium can view the chakra system & get a lot of info about the person's health there.
Beyond that, I'm betting the other 'reading' comes from some kind of contact w/ the Wiracocha or "sacred source." This is the eighth chakra that spins like a small sun above our heads inside our luminous body's envelope or aura. This is from Alberto Villoldo's mentor, Don Antonio. Carlson Spencer calls it the Soul Star Chakra from the Tibetan system I assume he studied. I recommend looking up Tibetan Sound Healing on YouTube. Spencer gave a experiential lecture on the Five Warrior Seed Syllables: Ah, Om, Hung, Ram & Zah. I hope it's still on Utube. I'd like to watch it again!

 

[Kim]

Well, another obvious reason is billions of people have their doubts that god exists, or the certainly act like they doubt it. Also, I reject the idea its God on the other side. Its a technology.

Clearly, there's a large number of ppl that are "Sunday Christians," as my dad used to call them or even worse act the pious part while cynically watching for ways to exploit true believers. I'm sure you could add some more forms.
What concerns me is the growing evidence that the Inka Prophecies are correct. This kind of thing pops up in many cultures, forecasting extreme upheavals as Mother Nature has to throw off humankind's abuse of her body to save Herself. If you like anthropological studies of shamans, then this short film is a good one. It's narrator is Dr. Alberto Villoldo:

The film is an expression of Alberto's theme that he regularly returns to: that the time of predatory masculine energy is ending & being replaced by healing feminine energy as Nature acts to restore balance on the Earth. I fully believe he's not some crazy old shaman who's just an irresponsible tree-hugger. The evidence is all around us & as he says, the ppl who will become the Earth's guardians & re-connect w/ the old ways will be protected during the Havoc of the Earth's cleansing & regeneration. I'm not saying he's got all the answers, but he's worth listening to.
There is also a free event online this Sunday, August 29th w/ Alberto. If you email his Four Winds Society, I imagine you can get in on that. The Four Winds Society {fourwinds@thefourwinds.com}

 

[EllisR]

If you’ve ever received a spot on reading from a medium, it will change your life. I made an experiment out of my reading. I sought out one which was highly regarded from people I know from various metaphysical online communities. I made sure she didn’t know my name beforehand, and the things she knew guys, it was impossible. Things that, even if she did know my name, certainly could not be found on the internet. It was absolutely life changing and helped me heal

One example, out of dozens she gave me- she knew the details of my brothers death 21 years ago. None of this is online. I don’t even think he has an obituary online. In 1999, that was often the case.

He died coming home from a party, at night on a country road. The car burned, we never knew if he died before the flames got him, but we hoped. Do this day I don’t know how or why the car burned.

She says, “you have a brother right?”

“yes, well one living one deceased”

“Your deceased brother died in an accident. I’m seeing that he’s alone, and that it’s at night.”

“wow, yes”

“There was some question as to whether he suffered or not. There was flames. He was not dead when the flames got to him, but he was comatose and didn’t feel a thing.”

Im just sitting there with my jaw nearly on the floor

But, something interesting happened.

My other brother textd me a week earlier and told me that he was breaking up with his girlfriend of 10 years.

After talking about my deceased brother, she said, “your other brother, I’m seeing a divorce.” My jaw dropped further.

There’s about 12 other things that she nailed. But it got me thinking. While this did help me heal. Did she just read my mind using Psi? I mean, she knew things about both my living brother and dead brother….

Thank you. It is useful to have specific examples from a reading.

Did you have a transcript/recording of the reading, or is this recollection?

 

[Wormwood]

Thank you. It is useful to have specific examples from a reading.

Did you have a transcript/recording of the reading, or is this recollection?

I took notes during the reading. It was over the phone. I can go into more details if people are Interested and list all of the details which she nailed if people are interested.