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Nelson said:
But maybe David Icke is correct about reptilian aliens, in which case maybe his regressions are correct. It's interesting that the anthropologist Ardy Sixkiller Clarke reports reptilian aliens among American Indians' experiences for instance...
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Good point. Thanks for reminding us.

I just completed another interview with Bruce Fenton... lots of great stuff... and while this topic didn't come up directly it reminded me that his wife Dani has had some shamanic experiences in Central America consistent with this.

reptilians... dragons... Egyptian half man half alligator... snake in the garden of Eve. at some point it starts looking like a pattern
 
Wormwood said:
I don’t recall where I encountered this info, but I think it was in listening to Grant Cameron. He referenced a study once regarding close encounter/abduction cases which found that the most common “alien” encountered during these experiences was simply what appeared to be a human being(s). The second most common was what we commonly refer to as “the greys.” The third most common is a reptilian creature of some sort. And I’m personally aware of at least a couple of well studied and credible cases of encounters with reptilians. Though I suspect that there are thousands of such cases/experiences. Of course none of this means that David Icke is right in what he says, but it is interesting to note and is a good data point.
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from
A Study on Reported Contact with Non-Human Intelligence Associated with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
DOI: 10.31275/2018.1282
An analysis of the CErs’ responses to the question, “How would you describe your experiences with these entities?” indicated that the type of NHI being most likely to facilitate a “positive” response was the “Human Looking” (N = 903, 60% positive and 5% negative) and “Hybrid” (N = 669, 43% positive and 6% negative). In contrast, the “Reptilian” was considered the least positive and most negative (N = 554, 16% positive and 23% negative) of all NHI beings experienced. This outcome may be related to the physical appearance of the being encountered.
 
Alex said:
from
A Study on Reported Contact with Non-Human Intelligence Associated with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
DOI: 10.31275/2018.1282
An analysis of the CErs’ responses to the question, “How would you describe your experiences with these entities?” indicated that the type of NHI being most likely to facilitate a “positive” response was the “Human Looking” (N = 903, 60% positive and 5% negative) and “Hybrid” (N = 669, 43% positive and 6% negative). In contrast, the “Reptilian” was considered the least positive and most negative (N = 554, 16% positive and 23% negative) of all NHI beings experienced. This outcome may be related to the physical appearance of the being encountered.
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Wow! Great find! Just based on my own reading up on individual cases, it seems overwhelmingly obvious that the most benevolent “alien” seems to be what is sometimes generically referred to as “the Nords.” Very tall, typically blonde, and described as off the charts attractive and SEEM strikingly loving and benevolent.

Here is one of the best attested cases of abduction that I’ve ever come across, maybe
THE best in terms of physical evidence and eye witness testimony. I suppose the beings which this man encountered could be classified as reptilian. There is some regression involved, but theres lots of other corroborating evidence. And these beings certainly were not benevolent.

 
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Alex said:
Good point. Thanks for reminding us.

I just completed another interview with Bruce Fenton... lots of great stuff... and while this topic didn't come up directly it reminded me that his wife Dani has had some shamanic experiences in Central America consistent with this.

reptilians... dragons... Egyptian half man half alligator... snake in the garden of Eve. at some point it starts looking like a pattern
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That'd be fascinating to hear Dani on her experiences. I think we have so much of value to work with across cultures and across time, re aliens, hybridisation, and NDEs.

With enough cross-cultural and-time studies, such as by Shushan with NDEs and Ardy Sixkiller Clarke with UFOs, we can minimise the noise created by untrustworthy people such as Atwater re NDEs and Luis Elizondo re UFOs. If we basically ignore those untrustworthy people and focus on the wealth of data we have from what seem like trustworthy sources, across time and cultures, I have a lot of hope in our endeavour for more knowledge
 
Nelson said:
Mainly out of curiosity, do you find snakes have compassion or feelings of loyalty and warmth?

I think a lot of the anti-snake bias comes from the Hebrew bible btw.

In other cultures snakes are more ambiguous, sometimes revered, sometimes seen as not so beneficial. That's more balanced I think
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To simplify your question, absolutely, snakes have feelings for their owners.
 
Wormwood said:
I will say, at least in his case, regarding John Mack, not all of his patients/clients retrieved their memories (or maybe fantasies) via hypnosis.
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I'm not questioning the validity or otherwise of abductions, I've actually interviewed a lady who reports continuous memories of encounters. I'm only questioning the usefulness of hypnosis as a tool to recover memories. It's possible that people could be both abducted by aliens and develop false memories of abductions through visualisations.
 
Nelson said:
But maybe David Icke is correct about reptilian aliens, in which case maybe his regressions are correct. It's interesting that the anthropologist Ardy Sixkiller Clarke reports reptilian aliens among American Indians' experiences for instance...
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David Icke's version of reptilian aliens includes multiple public figures shape shifting into them. I find it implausible that such a thing could be kept secret. This doesn't exclude the possibility that reptilians exist and shape shifting is possible in some manner.

Any regression could be correct, but I don't see that there's much evidence for this. We would expect to see regressions corroborated by physical evidence far more substantially than we do. That's why I suggest the absence of evidence amounts to evidence of absence.
 
Nelson said:
Why would you be sure David Jacobs is telling the truth. He has a sketchy vibe imo and he was extremely evasive when Alex asked him to do a filmed regression to test his work. It's a huge red flag.
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Perhaps I'm being too generous, it's just my impression that David Jacobs genuinely believes he is uncovering an alien invasion of Earth. I'm essentially steel manning the opposition case, by saying intelligent people, by accepting certain assumptions, can genuinely believe they are extracting valid information from regression sessions - they don't have to be dishonest.
 
SnakeTurbanHead said:
Brother, has anybody every postulated that David Ike, who was heavily involved in the media, is a fucking idiot? Fuck his reptilian shit! Everybody hates a snake, right? All bitches are terrified of lizards as well! It is hilarious how these rich, privileged assholes brainwash all of us with their so called truth serum! Furthermore, how David Ike is so injected into the so called "truth community"? How did that shit happen? This fucking clown never had to do shit in his life. Good thing that he has all his kids riding the free road with him!
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1) It's spelt 'Icke' not 'Ike'

2) He doesn't come from money, rather he was raised in relative poverty

3) Yes, unsurprisingly, lots of people have postulated he is a 'fucking idiot', in fact that would be the overwhelming consensus view
 
Wormwood said:
Here is one of the best attested cases of abduction that I’ve ever come across, maybe
THE best in terms of physical evidence and eye witness testimony. I suppose the beings which this man encountered could be classified as reptilian. There is some regression involved, but theres lots of other corroborating evidence. And these beings certainly were not benevolent.
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I thought the corroborating evidence in the Italian case strongly supports that some event occurred- but did not support the most outlandish parts of his story.
The corroborating evidence included lights in the sky, oversize footprints and other indentations could be achieved by contemporary tech - could be hoaxsters or even military.
-and for me it is a consistent problem in recovered memories of abductions documented by the Mary Rodwell/ Strieber and others - wheres is the gotcha piece of evidence -

they describe devices and creatures that would be astounding evidence of paranormal phenomena or advanced tech - but the devices are lost, taken back or otherwise unavailable, and despite 20 years of cell phone camera we don't have a credible collection of aliens caught on camera.

This suggests a largely a psychological rather than nuts and bolts phenomena - but nevertheless important. I find the mass sightings compelling - I still go back to the Ariel case - which has John Mack's involvement and then re-interviewing the school children as grown adults as was done in the recent documentaries the phenomenon and Ariel phenomenon
 
Chris.Smith said:
I thought the corroborating evidence in the Italian case strongly supports that some event occurred- but did not support the most outlandish parts of his story.
The corroborating evidence included lights in the sky, oversize footprints and other indentations could be achieved by contemporary tech - could be hoaxsters or even military.
-and for me it is a consistent problem in recovered memories of abductions documented by the Mary Rodwell/ Strieber and others - wheres is the gotcha piece of evidence -

they describe devices and creatures that would be astounding evidence of paranormal phenomena or advanced tech - but the devices are lost, taken back or otherwise unavailable, and despite 20 years of cell phone camera we don't have a credible collection of aliens caught on camera.

This suggests a largely a psychological rather than nuts and bolts phenomena - but nevertheless important. I find the mass sightings compelling - I still go back to the Ariel case - which has John Mack's involvement and then re-interviewing the school children as grown adults as was done in the recent documentaries the phenomenon and Ariel phenomenon
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There is the corroboration which you mentioned but those aren’t the most compelling bits. Namely, but not merely, the stuff reported by responding officers at the scenes of the various incidents is more convincing. There are several lines of evidence there. It’s been a while but I do believe that most of that stuff is outlined in the video which I posted.

Yea the Ariel school case is a compelling case as well. I think one of the issues that a lot of people have is that they hear about a few of these more mainstream cases and, maybe subconsciously conclude, that merely a handful of such cases exist. When in reality there are thousands. They just don’t typically reach the ears of the masses and go unknown until one takes the time to seek out and study them.

I do agree with you that many, much, or even all of these events could be psychological “implants” of some sort
 
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Richard Cox said:
I'm not questioning the validity or otherwise of abductions, I've actually interviewed a lady who reports continuous memories of encounters. I'm only questioning the usefulness of hypnosis as a tool to recover memories. It's possible that people could be both abducted by aliens and develop false memories of abductions through visualisations.
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No I know you weren’t questioning the reality of the abduction phenomenon.
 
Richard Cox said:
1) It's spelt 'Icke' not 'Ike'

2) He doesn't come from money, rather he was raised in relative poverty

3) Yes, unsurprisingly, lots of people have postulated he is a 'fucking idiot', in fact that would be the overwhelming consensus view
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Thanks for correcting my spelling, "icke" sounds a lot more appropriate than "ike." Nevertheless, the guy is a fucking idiot. He is a media whore and a liar. It is easy to say stupid bullshit like "reptilians are running the fucking earth," instead of looking at the fact that it isn't reptilians, but rather lazy human beings that use others like slaves. David Icke is fucking garbage. I would gladly debate him anywhere.
 
I should elaborate. These idiots, David Icke ( did I get it right Richard Cox, please correct me if I am wrong), and these countless other idiots that come up with ridiculous theories, are fools! They make money off of this shit! This is what I am opposed to. Not just that jack ass, but anybody that does this kind of fear mongering, manipulative bullshit. Not just that, but these stupid assholes that come up with "systems" of thought. These idiots that tell you that they have found the fucking way, and this is how you do it. All of them are fools and fake garbage! What I find as ultra entertaining is that this infiltrates the so called "truth community"! The so called "truth community" is more like a carnival of fucking liars who found another way to make a buck! Reptilians?!?! Anybody that believes this shit must be fully retarded! This idiot ripped the entire idea off of he TV series called "V"!
 
SnakeTurbanHead said:
Reptilians?!?! Anybody that believes this shit must be fully retarded!
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Also according to you:
' I think that it is more probable that we have a plane above us, and a plane below us. Furthermore, I think the limits of this structure are quite obvious. For one, why is it that the horizon always is flat? What is this shit? It should have some kind of curvature to it if we live on a ball, but it doesn't.'
 
SnakeTurbanHead said:
Brother, has anybody every postulated that David Ike, who was heavily involved in the media, is a fucking idiot? Fuck his reptilian shit! Everybody hates a snake, right? All bitches are terrified of lizards as well! It is hilarious how these rich, privileged assholes brainwash all of us with their so called truth serum! Furthermore, how David Ike is so injected into the so called "truth community"? How did that shit happen? This fucking clown never had to do shit in his life. Good thing that he has all his kids riding the free road with him!
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And this comment shows your ignorance about David Icke. He didn't grow up rich. And he was so disciplined that he became a professional footballer. That alone gets my respect.

Then he's a likable and talented communicator. He became a sports commentator. That too is a very difficult job and gets my respect.

Then he started talking against the system and about spirituality and was subjected to one of the most horrendous public ridicule campaigns. What sort of individual is so strong as to maintain oneself and keep saying things despite such enormous attacks against oneself personally. That also gets my respect.
 
As far as David Icke's claims about reptilian shape-shifters go, you seem to be triggered by that as you like reptiles. I also like reptiles. But it's ignorant to discount the reports across the millennia and in different continents of reptilian-human hybrids.
 
Richard Cox said:
Any regression could be correct, but I don't see that there's much evidence for this. We would expect to see regressions corroborated by physical evidence far more substantially than we do. That's why I suggest the absence of evidence amounts to evidence of absence.
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I'm wondering what you make of the Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, on shape-shifting humanoid reptilians. When one listens to his interviews with David Icke, it's remarkable how things Credo says about ancient times in Africa is in alignment with mythology around the world.
 
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