Mary Rodwell, Extended Consciousness Hierarchy |587|

[Nelson]

We are abducted everyday that we go to work. We don't need Aliens for this shit.

Occam's razor is often misused. You're ignoring UFO reports with a throwaway comment

 

[Nelson]

And assuming Mary Rodwell is an honest reporter (which I think she is), then it takes courage to report when a child claims their previous incarnation was on a water planet. But you, SnakeTurbanHead, who finds the flat earth theory plausible(!), say Rodwell lacks credibility...

In contrast, there's a lot of evidence from across time and cultures that reincarnation is real and that it takes place between planets too. Even in the Bhagavad-Gita, the most famous poem in India, reincarnations between planets is mentioned explicitly.

 

[Richard Cox]

I'm wondering what you make of the Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, on shape-shifting humanoid reptilians. When one listens to his interviews with David Icke, it's remarkable how things Credo says about ancient times in Africa is in alignment with mythology around the world.

I listened to David Icke's interview with him when I about nineteen years old, and again last month when I produce the episode on reptilians. He's certainly an integral part of how David came to believe in shapeshifters. I think he's clearly in the realm of mythology with his accounts of human origins. He may have some interesting insights, I just would accuse King Charles of being lizard on the basis of them

 

[Nelson]

I listened to David Icke's interview with him when I about nineteen years old, and again last month when I produce the episode on reptilians. He's certainly an integral part of how David came to believe in shapeshifters. I think he's clearly in the realm of mythology with his accounts of human origins. He may have some interesting insights, I just would accuse King Charles of being lizard on the basis of them

I think you're strawmanning here though. As far as I remember, Mutwa didn't say Charles is a reptilian shapeshifter. Others did claim this though. Mutwa did say the Zulu have an oral history that tells of a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class though.

And when you say 'realm of mythology', I think you're underestimating that traditional peoples consider mythology to be their history. Take that as you will, bearing in mind poetic licence. But this is/was the case for traditional peoples themselves, whether ancient Greeks, American Indians, Zulu, or Australian Aborigines, on their own mythology/history. And remarkably, the mythologies/histories have been shown time and again to have great similarities with each other on global occurrences, such as global cataclysms, and these have been corroborated by geologists, etc. So to talk of a 'realm of mythology' as if it disqualifies it as evidence isn't helpful imo

 

[Alex]

I think you're strawmanning here though. As far as I remember, Mutwa didn't say Charles is a reptilian shapeshifter. Others did claim this though. Mutwa did say the Zulu have an oral history that tells of a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class though.

And when you say 'realm of mythology', I think you're underestimating that traditional peoples consider mythology to be their history. Take that as you will, bearing in mind poetic licence. But this is/was the case for traditional peoples themselves, whether ancient Greeks, American Indians, Zulu, or Australian Aborigines, on their own mythology/history. And remarkably, the mythologies/histories have been shown time and again to have great similarities with each other on global occurrences, such as global cataclysms, and these have been corroborated by geologists, etc. So to talk of a 'realm of mythology' as if it disqualifies it as evidence isn't helpful imo

Shapeshifting is widely reported in the alien abduction literature... often in very credible accounts. I have an interview coming up with a woman who experienced this but not with reptilians with a different species.

Moreover, there seem to be a convergence of Technologies that are on the horizon ( a colloquialism for have probably already been developed in Black budget projects) for doing this

 

[Richard Cox]

I think you're strawmanning here though. As far as I remember, Mutwa didn't say Charles is a reptilian shapeshifter. Others did claim this though. Mutwa did say the Zulu have an oral history that tells of a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class though

David Icke concluded Charles was a shapeshifter based on what Mutwa and others had told him. I also think Mutwa does more than just report a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class as being a part of Zulu oral history, it’s a position he actively endorses.

And when you say 'realm of mythology', I think you're underestimating that traditional peoples consider mythology to be their history. Take that as you will, bearing in mind poetic licence. But this is/was the case for traditional peoples themselves, whether ancient Greeks, American Indians, Zulu, or Australian Aborigines, on their own mythology/history. And remarkably, the mythologies/histories have been shown time and again to have great similarities with each other on global occurrences, such as global cataclysms, and these have been corroborated by geologists, etc. So to talk of a 'realm of mythology' as if it disqualifies it as evidence isn't helpful imo

I’m not suggesting that information from mythology should be entirely disqualified as evidence, but I do think the fact that they are mythological is worth bearing in mind. Perhaps they do tell us something important about our alien origins, but like I said, there’s a long way to go between that and accusing people of being reptiles in the modern world.

 

[Nelson]

David Icke concluded Charles was a shapeshifter based on what Mutwa and others had told him. I also think Mutwa does more than just report a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class as being a part of Zulu oral history, it’s a position he actively endorses.

I’m not suggesting that information from mythology should be entirely disqualified as evidence, but I do think the fact that they are mythological is worth bearing in mind. Perhaps they do tell us something important about our alien origins, but like I said, there’s a long way to go between that and accusing people of being reptiles in the modern world.

You're creating this dichotomy between 'mythological' and 'modern world'. Many tribes around the world still maintain their histories orally through so-called "mythology". Don't you find it odd that peoples on every habitable continent and throughout time have stories of shape-shifting beings so pervasively in their accounts? - again, one can look to the Zulu, the ancient Greeks, American Indians, Australian Aborigines.

The accounts of sexual abduction by shape-shifting beings and hybridisation is also, for example, so common in the ancient Greek reports. It's probably the most pervasive theme.

Then compare modern ufo reports, of sexual abduction by shape-shifting beings and hybridisation. The similarities are staggering.

 

[Nelson]

The Church said mythology was superstitious stories but the sexual abduction reports continued and were then considered demonology. Then with the so-called 'Enlightenment' the whole lot was discounted as superstition. It's been the assumption for centuries in the West that mythology & demonology is merely superstition.

But a more objective observer would notice the similarities of reports from around the world and over the millennia and question whether they actually contain kernels of historical truth.

 

[Nelson]

I also think Mutwa does more than just report a reptilian shape-shifting ruling class as being a part of Zulu oral history, it’s a position he actively endorses.

Considering Credo Mutwa's background and personal experiences, it isn't surprising he'd actively endorse the accounts/history/mythology that'd been handed down to him. If I remember correctly, he even said in the interview that the Christian colonisers had been trying to exterminate the bearers of the Zulu oral history. And there was / is the condescending propaganda campaign by the churches and the atheists to belittle Zulu traditions.

 

[Nelson]

On the balance of things, what stands out is how effective the narratives by Christians and atheists have been to keep wide-reaching patterns of "mythology"/"demonology"/"folklore" under the rug. When one steps back and looks at the reports from around the world and throughout history, the similarities are breathtaking.

And even in the last decades, in universities it's become almost taboo to even study cultures comparatively. There are few who even dare to do cross-cultural studies. A shining exception is Gregory Shushan in the field of NDEs.

 

[Chris.Smith]

Good point. Thanks for reminding us.

I just completed another interview with Bruce Fenton... lots of great stuff... and while this topic didn't come up directly it reminded me that his wife Dani has had some shamanic experiences in Central America consistent with this.

reptilians... dragons... Egyptian half man half alligator... snake in the garden of Eve. at some point it starts looking like a pattern

Looking forward to hearing your interview with Bruce Fenton- not sure what to make of him in previous interviews - might need a deep dive into the various areas of science that he draws from.

 

[nurulu]

Nice!



IDK... but it seems to me not being an experiencer has advantages.

some folks become so overwhelmed by their experience that they lose all objectivity/ discernment.

look no further than the born again Christian... fundamentalist Muslim... fill in the blank cult member. it's not that their experience isn't real, they just lost the ability to find any distance from it. thoughts?

Seems to me it's the same folks who see ghosts, converse with the dead and have multiple UFO sightings throughout their life. A million years ago I might've (probably did) yearn for those types of experiences. Now? NO WAY! I can certainly wait till this body dies to experience the 'other worlds' under loving guidance. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, given the collective WQ [wisdom quotient] of humanity, it's a GOOD THING that the default setting is that most of us are just not very psychic. All the acid 50 years ago, the aya later on, meditation etc, I never ONCE experienced 'unseen presences'. And you know what? That's fine with me! Peace out.