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great point! and no one ever brings this up... where's the storming of the capitol on this one?

one way to look at it is that you and I and all american citizens complicit in this evil because we allow it to persist.
The United States doesn't do that. Does not happen.

Israel? Sure. They are vicious paranoids without a moral compass when it comes to dealing with the Goyim.

China? More immoral calculating blood suckers.

The fucking muslims? They're raping and enslaving children themselves.

The only decent ally then would be the Russians.
 
finders cult:
John Brisson, Finders Cult or Another Epsteinesque ... - Skeptiko

one example. evidence suggests that it wasn't an isolated case
Urban myth propagated by shameless sensationalists like Oliver Stone.

BTW, it's one thing for government agencies to track the illicit behavior of citizens to make a better case, identify and charge the ring leaders of criminal organizations/networks. It's another thing entirely to say the government agencies established the criminal networks themselves for nefarious purposes. I think that people ignorant of that world often fail to make the distinction.

I'm no fan of the FBI. I think they are incompetent and often get too involved with criminals and criminal conspiracies in their zeal to make an even bigger case. They get played way too easily. Also, at this point, IMO, they are mere tools of the deep state/democrat/fascist movement. The agency should be eliminated. Let US Marshals take over much of what the FBI does and let the DIA take over other aspects.

I also have no doubt that many people in power are pedophiles, satan worshippers, etc. I think they indulge in whatever perversion tickles their fancy. All of them? No way. A significant minority? Sure.

All that said, IMO, "the finders" is just more urban myth/conspiracy theory bunk. Along with the belief that the mafia/CIA/Cuban exiles/space aliens killed Kennedy and attacked us on 9/11. But we've discussed that before. We'll just have to understand that we vehemently disagree with each other.

I have known plenty of blue collar types that indulge in all manner of perversions. Your typical incest case or child molestation is happening in regular neighborhoods across the country. It isn't some conspiracy limited to elites. I estimate that least 25% of people are filthy monkeys with 0 moral compass. They will do whatever they can get away with doing. There will always be some filthy profiteer to sell them the vices they crave. Always has been and always will be. No govt conspiracy needed. I think that spiritual seekers often fail to truly understand how depraved and base humanity really is. Sometimes I even entertain that being a spiritual seeker is an excuse for people that feel like they can't cut it slugging it out in a base depraved world; a cop out. They let other people do the dirty work on their behalf and then point self-righteous fingers when their protectors slip up, as all normal mortals must.
 
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Lets remind ourselves that Peter Hayman, ex head of mi6 was a convicted pedo.
Key word = "convicted".

What's the point? I had a landscaper that was convicted of a pedo offense. Pedos have been found in every walk of life. The odds are sooner or later one will turn up in MI6. It's almost as if conspiracy theorists don't understand statistics. Btw, he wasn't "head" of MI6. He was a deputy director of some MI6 department.
 
Your typical incest case or child molestation is happening in regular neighborhoods across the country. It isn't some conspiracy limited to elites.
This is another evil sick satanic ritual abuser and cult member (imo).
Lets remind ourselves that Peter Hayman, ex head of mi6 was a convicted pedo.
Pedos have been found in every walk of life.
I think I can sum up the point by separating child molestation into two groups:
(A) Degenerate
(B) Intentional

I'll use the subject of animal abuse to explain.

Dog owner type (A) is stuck in an abusive work environment where he is constantly harassed and emasculated by his coworkers. Every now and then the stars align and he returns home (cough, cough, Sheldrake Effect, cough) after a significantly shitty work day only to find his dog made a mess on brand new couch and has also eaten a Birthday gift which was to be given to his girlfriend that evening. Without considering that the dog is unable to understand the significance of any of this, the man attacks the dog physically while yelling about everything that's wrong about what the dog has done.

Dog owner type (B) has a guard dog in his back yard that gets teased, yelled at, and physically attacked on a daily basis prior to receiving dinner scraps. This treatment is not because it has misbehaved, nor because of the owners bad day, but for a purpose. The owner knows that the dog will love him because they are loyal to each other, the dogs needs are met, and the attention given is a type of nurturing. The purpose of this nurturing is to keep this dog always ready to attack anyone who might be a threat to the owner, and without regard.


Point being, many(probably most) conspiracy theorists believe there is a cult (better explained as a "weapon") that has roots in churches, governments, and organizations world wide, which practices Type (B) child abuse as a core value. This cult does not have anything to do with Type (A). The Type (A) problem is solved by good law enforcement and community structure. Type (B) is a disease that goes undetected by most, until it reaches a point where is clear that a significant % of the population is practicing it, so much so that it's openly promoted to children through the majority of media. So much so, that probably most of those practicing it, don't even know it comes from a cult (weapon).
 
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Key word = "convicted".

What's the point? I had a landscaper that was convicted of a pedo offense. Pedos have been found in every walk of life. The odds are sooner or later one will turn up in MI6. It's almost as if conspiracy theorists don't understand statistics. Btw, he wasn't "head" of MI6. He was a deputy director of some MI6 department.
Yes i have seen the internet searches on Peter Hayman some of which call him an operative, others head of a department and others saying he was deputy chief of the whole thing. Have heard Jon Wedger (ex Scotland Yard detective and copper for 25 years plus) state on numerous occassions that Peter Hayman was head of mi6. Wedger is not going to make a mistake like that. Maybe it's a different pedo Hayman (there are numerous pedos in the intelligence apparatus not to mention government)
My point is that do you think it is coincidence that a convicted pedofile is appointed head of mi6?
 
i shouldnt have to say it but obviously most people in the intelligence apparatus are not pedos and satanic ritual abusers. Some are though and they allow the rest of the child abusing plague in society to continue unabaited (imo for frikking legal reasons)
 
Yes i have seen the internet searches on Peter Hayman some of which call him an operative, others head of a department and others saying he was deputy chief of the whole thing. Have heard Jon Wedger (ex Scotland Yard detective and copper for 25 years plus) state on numerous occassions that Peter Hayman was head of mi6. Wedger is not going to make a mistake like that. Maybe it's a different pedo Hayman (there are numerous pedos in the intelligence apparatus not to mention government)
My point is that do you think it is coincidence that a convicted pedofile is appointed head of mi6?
He was whatever he was with Mi6. Then he was caught being a pedo. Then he was shit canned. He was NOT a known pedo first, then picked up by Mi6.
 
I think I can sum up the point by separating child molestation into two groups:
(A) Degenerate
(B) Intentional

I'll use the subject of animal abuse to explain.

Dog owner type (A) is stuck in an abusive work environment where he is constantly harassed and emasculated by his coworkers. Every now and then the stars align and he returns home (cough, cough, Sheldrake Effect, cough) after a significantly shitty work day only to find his dog made a mess on brand new couch and has also eaten a Birthday gift which was to be given to his girlfriend that evening. Without considering that the dog is unable to understand the significance of any of this, the man attacks the dog physically while yelling about everything that's wrong about what the dog has done.

Dog owner type (B) has a guard dog in his back yard that gets teased, yelled at, and physically attacked on a daily basis prior to receiving dinner scraps. This treatment is not because it has misbehaved, nor because of the owners bad day, but for a purpose. The owner knows that the dog will love him because they are loyal to each other, the dogs needs are met, and the attention given is a type of nurturing. The purpose of this nurturing is to keep this dog always ready to attack anyone who might be a threat to the owner, and without regard.


Point being, many(probably most) conspiracy theorists believe there is a cult (better explained as a "weapon") that has roots in churches, governments, and organizations world wide, which practices Type (B) child abuse as a core value. This cult does not have anything to do with Type (A). The Type (A) problem is solved by good law enforcement and community structure. Type (B) is a disease that goes undetected by most, until it reaches a point where is clear that a significant % of the population is practicing it, so much so that it's openly promoted to children through the majority of media. So much so, that probably most of those practicing it, don't even know it comes from a cult (weapon).
Robbedigital,
I think you make a good point and an important distinction in conspiracy theorist thinking. Yes, the CS mindset believes that a form of pedo activity is all about deliberately engineering some higher purpose for their global web of secret society masters that control our lives. They will go off and quote what they think they know about MKULTRA, etc. ,
where, in reality, MKULTRA was a seriously misguided attempt to solve a very real pragmatic challenge. There was NO "third level" (or whatever Alex calls it) aspect to it. It was simple mechanics. CS people are always slathering on all kinds of fantastic imagined motivations to the slightest evidence.

IMO, this is childish and paranoid thinking. It misses the point entirely and goes after some personal ego fulfilling "I see what you don't" dot connecting game that is the signature of the CS type. Ironically, it misses "level 3" because of the goofy self-created distractions.

ALL pedos are aware of what they're doing because all pedos are psychopaths, aka demon spawn, that relish damaging souls. That's the real game for any of this human refuse, whether they live in a trailer park, a middle class neighborhood or have mansions, private jets and private islands.

Dog owner A is not without agency. But owner A is the not the equivalent of a pedo. Being a pedo is serious step. It doesn't just sort of happen. Every pedo knows that a world of hurt awaits him or her if caught. It's very calculated.

Dog owner B is not a super genius, nor is fully developed as a human, albeit an evil one. The problem with conspiracy theories like the pedo mafia in charge of the world thing, is that it assumes so much that isn't realistic given human nature. For one, that our leadership class consists of master level chess players. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Another is that these master chess player actually cooperate with each other, long term, to inflict their united nefarious plots on us all. I laugh at this comic book view.

Dog owner A and dog owner B are the same slime ball. One is better dressed, better educated, better connected and better groomed than the other, but those are superficial distinctions.

I wish CS folks could know how naïve and silly they sound. In reality the leadership class consists of very ordinary people of very mundane talent and average morality. They just value power and control more than most people and they have been taught that their education and all that jazz makes them suitable to run society. These are the same kids who always were elected to your school's student council. Same archetype. Pin heads all grown-up. Some of these pin heads, like some of every profession or type, are true psychopaths that like to damage people to the soul, as all psychopaths do. Children make the juiciest targets. All the rest of the CS is comic book fantasy.

I digress. I think you did correctly depict CS thinking on this topic. Thx.

Another CS theory problem is conflating effect with cause. If the ultimate effect of an event is A, then the cabal orchestrated this to achieve A. Nothing happens by accident, after all, in CS land. Again, an unrealistic assumption that THEY are super human master chess players. A related CS thought is that if someone or someones had motive and something happened that they benefitted from, then the chess master THEY must be responsible for what happened. Last one is that if A knows B and B knows C then A must know C and if C does something, then A must be in on it too. The CSers really don't understand how small a group and how active the 1% of successful people are. Successful hyperactive networking is a big part of how they became 1% in the first place. Of course A knows B who knows C who knows D, etc, etc, etc, etc. But, in the real world they fight as much as they cooperate. Of course the Catholic church has pedos in it. Of course congress has pedos in it. Of course MI has pedos in it but of course the fast food joint, the gas station, the local roofing company has pedos in them too. Of course the top echelon of the power organizations know each other. Who else would they hang out with? Random pedos in the trailer park? The pedos in the trailer park hang out in their own pedo clubs. Some aspire to climb the social ladder. Those leverage their interest in pedophilia to interact socially with the next level. So on and so forth. Same with nature lovers, gun club guys, the free mason and Kiwanis, military officers, musicians, gardening clubs and quilters. People like others who share interests. I mean, how else are you going to get ahead than to meet people with common interests better off and in positions, get to know them...…..this happens in all aspects of life, but when pedos do it, the CSers say AH AH! the world is run by pedos………..enough. good night
 
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mi6 or any intelligence agency does not function as one faction. Evil elements, like those described in previous posts (imo) are obviously completely at odds with most people in these agencies. The sad thing is though that although the numbers may be drastic in the general public, an off hand estimate of about 1 in 300 are twisted sick and evil and raping kids and much less who are ritualy killing them, nevertheless far far too many who function almost with impunity. An off hand estimate would be that about 1 in 4 of the top brass in mi6 i would say are probably pedos and satanic ritual abusers. Most (not all) of the rest wouldn't be there unless somehow they were playing ball with sra cult (widespread in many key areas, mi6 aside) imo. Do you think if rational people were running shit child rape and sra would be running as rampant, unchecked and down played as it is? What about the frikking media? Satanic messages and practices as well as evil cover ups spread across all manner of programs, advertising, algorhythms etc including childrens programs, with the intent of deceiving and much worse. Would this be allowed to happen if normal people were running the show? Legislation designed to protect pedos and satanic ritual abusers whilst condemning victims mean anything? It bloody well should do. D notice maybe, etc? Public figures known within the general public to be pedos and satanic ritual abusers who are allowed to live out there natural life with impunity (with full knowledge of at least parts of the intelligence apparatus while they were alive, imo- for cunt fuck legal reasons) only to be revealed widely after their death the true horror they inflicted?
The list goes on.
All evidence aside (which there is mountains imo, most people would be surprised at how much, imo), think about it. In a scenario of deceit, deviousness and covering up evil who is going to hold a lot of the chips if not the frikkin spies?
 
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Does anyone seriously think that many evil
people wouldn't co-operate together (in their own sick way) to cover up the unimaginable, particularly of the same nature, crimes they are guilty of?
 
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Another question, in the case of Epstein, Robert and Ghislaine Maxwell who were operating in the US alone for decades. Do you think is logical to assume (assuming they weren't in on it, etc) that elements within the CIA weren't aware of them and everyone in Epstein's life and black book? Was much done (a few things have been managed) after CIA, FBI etc must (logically, any evidence aside) have found out about all (not everyone associated or pictured with said shite as obviously Epstein etc were playing power games) these child rapsists and murderers through Epstein and the rest of them?
Am quite sure there is almost nowhere on this planet where this child raping and sra cult dont operate. Is plain to see anyway (imo)
 
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Does anyone seriously think that many evil
people wouldn't co-operate together (in their own sick way) to cover up the unimaginable, particularly of the same nature, crimes they are guilty of?
The mafia (la cosa nostra in the US) has a code of silence about the organization's activities (omerta). The penalty for breaking omerta is death. It's very real. Every members knows someone who got killed for that offense; or even a perceived potential that they might "flip" or talk too much. Yet, omerta gets broken all the time.

Also, mafia members cooperate on one deal and then kill each other in a gang war a few months later. As I have said before, psychopaths are out for number 1. They don't play well with others long term. That is a fact and a defining characteristic of that personality disorder.

You have no idea of the ratio of psychopath child molesters in any organization. You're just making stuff up.
 
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here are 100s of pages of fbi docs... lots more out there.
https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders
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Sure, some psychos were involved in a pedophilic ring. I already said that happens. Any sick thing you can imagine has been done/is being done. If there is enough demand, then rings will form to meet it. Of course, there are always nutty cults formed to indulge in sick crap. I fail to understand how The Finders became so infamous in conspiracy theory circles.

That is quite different than the government establishing pedophilic rings for MK-ULTRA type purposes.
 
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Sure, some psychos were involved in a pedophilic ring. I already said that happens. Any sick thing you can imagine has been done/is being done. If there is enough demand, then rings will form to meet it. Of course, there are always nutty cults formed to indulge in sick crap. I fail to understand how The Finders became so infamous in conspiracy theory circles.

That is quite different than the government establishing pedophilic rings for MK-ULTRA type purposes.
You talk jibberish and make stupid and hasty statements in so many of your posts. I wouldnt say it to most people but considering you were in the CIA for years and working on serious ops, i am. Unless something has befallen you since then (my sincere condolences if that is the case) to cause this jibberish, if this is even the base standard of CIA, god fucking help us.
 
You talk jibberish and make stupid and hasty statements in so many of your posts. I wouldnt say it to most people but considering you were in the CIA for years and working on serious ops, i am. Unless something has befallen you since then (my sincere condolences if that is the case) to cause this jibberish, if this is even the base standard of CIA, god fucking help us.
Huh?
 
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