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I’d like to get Forum vibes on this guy Jason Breshears. I stumbled onto his work a couple days ago and he’s been blowing my mind one video after another. Jason has a unique explanation of Simulation hypothesis that is almost faulty to call such due to all other available sloppy attempts. Pretty much every subject I’ve heard him cover is either in line with or matches my own perception. In just two days I’ve had at least 5-6 omg moments with ideas like:
-Simulation-but also real
-Christ consciousness (while his take on Christianity is right in line with Alex’s, including the Josephus narrative)
-Pyramid geopolymer theory
-higher selves operating in these bodies as avatars.
-the “devil” being very similar to AI
-“pre-earth” life and this life being some kind of educational
And so on.

**Massive disclaimer** the guy rambles very similarly to David Icke, so not much of a guest suggestion, but more importantly I’d beg you to listen past it to the substance enough to get a real reading on whether it sound like truth to you.

Enjoy.


Hi Robbie, I watched the part of the video you especially recommended and some more of it, and a short video by Jason Breshears on timelines. My initial thoughts:

The cosmology he describes sounds compatible with gnosticism (with the demiurge being the equivalent of the AI simulation creator). It's also compatible with the idea in Hinduism and Buddhism of wanting to escape the cycle of birth, death and rebirth

But later on in the video, Jason Breshears' comes across as very certain about aspects of the great pyramid in Egypt. Over the years, I've looked into this topic from many different perspectives, and I came to the conclusion that the standard academic explanation for the purpose etc. of the great pyramid makes the most sense. The channel Ancient Architects has an excellent video on this

 
https://odysee.com/@BNN:6/David-Icke-Speaks-To-Heart-Nation---Full-Interview:8

Just been catching up with David Icke's latest research. This quote at the 1:01:40 timestamp is fascinating and (apart from whether it's a simulation) it's the point I was making with Alex in the interview:

"This level of the simulation is not the only level of the simulation. There are others. There are after-death levels of the simulation. And the manipulation is not just happening in this reality; it's happening in other realities. And I go into this in some detail" (in the book Icke is currently working on, 'The Trap')
 
This will take me some time to answer without defaulting to surface level stuff.
Excellent work. I’ll get back to you on this.
Thanks. At this point I suspect that because you're open minded and intellectually capable, you'll eventually arrive at the same conclusions. That's the breakthrough to the real "next level" — where possible explanations reside. This allows the searcher to shed the trappings of more popular, but ultimately faulty interpretations for the types of experiences we're discussing.
 
Thanks. At this point I suspect that because you're open minded and intellectually capable, you'll eventually arrive at the same conclusions. That's the breakthrough to the real "next level" — where possible explanations reside. This allows the searcher to shed the trappings of more popular, but ultimately faulty interpretations for the types of experiences we're discussing.
Seems ironically akin to the logic used by scientific materialists: eliminating explanations that aren't possible (using materialism as the prism in their case) a priori.
 
Thanks. At this point I suspect that because you're open minded and intellectually capable, you'll eventually arrive at the same conclusions. That's the breakthrough to the real "next level" — where possible explanations reside. This allows the searcher to shed the trappings of more popular, but ultimately faulty interpretations for the types of experiences we're discussing.
Humanity = a Multiplayer version of “Roy” game(see short vid), but in an educational/study setting as opposed to entertainment, and probably consciousness based sim instead of computer based sim.

This (but if multiplayer) is a perfect example of how the higher self and lower selves are both real selves, but the lower is also just a vehicle and no longer part of the whole self when detached.. So both-and.

You must recognize this as a possibility… I’m not arguing it’s the case, but rather that it’s possible, and obviously so. And again, no need to assume it’s computer based).

I need to know you can connect these dots before I step out toward what you’re calling the next level.

 
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Humanity = a Multiplayer version of “Roy” game(see short vid), but in an educational/study setting as opposed to entertainment, and probably consciousness based sim instead of computer based sim.

This (but if multiplayer) is a perfect example of how the higher self and lower selves are both real selves, but the lower is also just a vehicle and no longer part of the whole self when detached.. So both-and.

You must recognize this as a possibility… I’m not arguing it’s the case, but rather that it’s possible, and obviously so. And again, no need to assume it’s computer based).

I need to know you can connect these dots before I step out toward what you’re calling the next level.

Rick and Morty is awesome. Great clip.

Returning to the topic of higher and lower selves, where an arbitrary division is made between the two. While I'm confident that I get what you're saying, perhaps it would be better if we actually define where the demarcation point is in your mind between these two parts.

It should be noted here that the division made at the start of the discussion was in the context of afterlives where there is an assumed continuity of personhood following the death of the brain-body system, which implies that the two parts in question are 1. The brain-body system, and 2. Something else that defines us as persons that is separate from the brain-body system.

In these two divisions there seems to be the notion that the brain-body system is the "lower" which serves as a"vehicle" while that which defines us as persons is something "higher" — typically referred to as the "spirit" or the phenomenon of consciousness.

If there's a communication problem with respect to those issues, let's get them cleared-up now.
 
Returning to the topic of higher and lower selves, where an arbitrary division is made between the two. While I'm confident that I get what you're saying, perhaps it would be better if we actually define where the demarcation point is in your mind between these two parts.
I think the best path toward pinpointing where our perceptions diverge, is to start from the template of the above "ROY" simulation example, but with the 2 caveats:
1. Assume it's multiplayer and that all living humans are vehicles joined with higher selves who are learning about various aspects and lessons of mortal existence.
2. Assume it equally possible whether it be a simulation running on a computer, or an architecture running on consciousness.

(again, I mean this as a starting point, I'm not selling it as solid or conclusive by any means)

It should be noted here that the division made at the start of the discussion was in the context of afterlives where there is an assumed continuity of personhood following the death of the brain-body system, which implies that the two parts in question are 1. The brain-body system, and 2. Something else that defines us as persons that is separate from the brain-body system.
I don't agree with the word "continuity". I would instead say that the higher self retains the experience of being temporarily joined with the vehicle or brain-body system.
We could reduce the exercise to Pac-Man. If for example my higher-self joined with Pac-Man for 1 life. While living as Pac-Man my experience would probably not include much more thought beyond "left, right, front, back, chomp chomp chomp...". And 2 minutes later I die, and (poof) I'm back in my higher form and maybe I learned a little bit about what it's like to for a higher consciousness to hitch a ride on Pac-Man. But you would never ask about "continuity" of Pac-Man, because Pac-Man isn't going anywhere.

In these two divisions there seems to be the notion that the brain-body system is the "lower" which serves as a"vehicle" while that which defines us as persons is something "higher" — typically referred to as the "spirit" or the phenomenon of consciousness.
My belief is that without higher-selves all of humanity (vehicles) may very well be able to run with all the bells and whistles, except for the lack an "Experiencer" who walks away with the experience, and leaves the vehicle behind. And I can make a prediction - a thought experiment - which might connect any remaining dots(if needed) for you in regard to my perspective/view.
Prediction:
If all higher selves(spirits, etc) suddenly and permanently exited the human-realm/universe/temporal-existence, Humanity would continue to exist almost seemlessly(pun intended), and would hastily but steeply-gradually dispense with all introspect, and questioning of "who am I, why am I here, what is divinity?"
Now obviously, this isn't a prediction I can test in any way, rather I meant it as a thought experiment to attempt to seal the deal on the missing demarcation you pointed out.

To recap, this was me describing what I think is the simplest possible system of communication platforms between a higher and lower realm. I have not landed on this example in any permanent way, but I do have strong leanings toward it's direction. And to sump it all up, I'd say that regardless this example seeming like a higher-self fully immersed and precipitating into the human existence - I'm saying exactly the opposite: That the the Higher Self doesn't precipitate any direct effects whatsoever in our human realm, save it would simply be the things that would be lacking with the absence of higher-selves, such as introspect and divinity-seeking mentioned above.
 
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I think the best path toward pinpointing where our perceptions diverge, is to start from the template of the above "ROY" simulation example, but with the 2 caveats:
1. Assume it's multiplayer and that all living humans are vehicles joined with higher selves who are learning about various aspects and lessons of mortal existence.
2. Assume it equally possible whether it be a simulation running on a computer, or an architecture running on consciousness.

(again, I mean this as a starting point, I'm not selling it as solid or conclusive by any means)

I don't agree with the word "continuity". I would instead say that the higher self retains the experience of being temporarily joined with the vehicle or brain-body system.
We could reduce the exercise to Pac-Man. If for example my higher-self joined with Pac-Man for 1 life. While living as Pac-Man my experience would probably not include much more thought beyond "left, right, front, back, chomp chomp chomp...". And 2 minutes later I die, and (poof) I'm back in my higher form and maybe I learned a little bit about what it's like to for a higher consciousness to hitch a ride on Pac-Man. But you would never ask about "continuity" of Pac-Man, because Pac-Man isn't going anywhere.


My belief is that without higher-selves all of humanity (vehicles) may very well be able to run with all the bells and whistles, except for the lack an "Experiencer" who walks away with the experience, and leaves the vehicle behind. And I can make a prediction - a thought experiment - which might connect any remaining dots(if needed) for you in regard to my perspective/view.
Prediction:
If all higher selves(spirits, etc) suddenly and permanently exited the human-realm/universe/temporal-existence, Humanity would continue to exist almost seemlessly(pun intended), and would hastily but steeply-gradually dispense with all introspect, and questioning of "who am I, why am I here, what is divinity?"
Now obviously, this isn't a prediction I can test in any way, rather I meant it as a thought experiment to attempt to seal the deal on the missing demarcation you pointed out.

To recap, this was me describing what I think is the simplest possible system of communication platforms between a higher and lower realm. I have not landed on this example in any permanent way, but I do have strong leanings toward it's direction. And to sump it all up, I'd say that regardless this example seeming like a higher-self fully immersed and precipitating into the human existence - I'm saying exactly the opposite: That the the Higher Self doesn't precipitate any direct effects whatsoever in our human realm, save it would simply be the things that would be lacking with the absence of higher-selves, such as introspect and divinity-seeking mentioned above.

Sorry, but I can't begin by making those assumptions because they frontload the discussion with an acceptance of the concepts we're attempting to perform an analysis on. Instead, it makes more sense to begin by reducing the assumptions as much as possible by taking into account evidence that has already been shown to be true, then extrapolate how that might translate to these hypothetical situations — like the ROY simulation.

So from the ground up, it goes like this:
  1. We don't know that there is any "higher realm" — That is an assumption or claim based entirely on subjective experiences and beliefs.
  2. Similarly, we don't know if there is any "lower realm".
  3. All we know is that whatever realm we're in now, it consists of measurable phenomena and proven rules for how things work.
  4. At this juncture it doesn't matter one way or the other what realm we're in with respect to the question at hand — which is whether or not the rules that make things work in this realm can be migrated to some other hypothetical realm in a manner that counts as a continuity of personhood for someone making the transition from one realm to another.
  5. My position is that there are certain ways that this is possible, but only if a person can make the transition with everything intact, otherwise whatever part doesn't make transition must be filled-in by some replacement part.
  6. The ramifications of this situation on the notion of afterlives should now be obvious. How many parts can be discarded or replaced before the person who has appeared in the other realm is no longer the original — but just a copy?
In the ROY simulation, Morty never leaves his current realm — his brain is just fooled into thinking it has. This is a very different type of situation from Morty dying in his realm, and then being reconstituted by some third-party mechanism in another one.

You might like this article:

The Physics of Rick and Morty
The show gets multiverse theory totally wrong—but it’s still wonderful.
 
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Humanity = a Multiplayer version of “Roy” game(see short vid), but in an educational/study setting as opposed to entertainment, and probably consciousness based sim instead of computer based sim.

This (but if multiplayer) is a perfect example of how the higher self and lower selves are both real selves, but the lower is also just a vehicle and no longer part of the whole self when detached.. So both-and.

You must recognize this as a possibility… I’m not arguing it’s the case, but rather that it’s possible, and obviously so. And again, no need to assume it’s computer based).

I need to know you can connect these dots before I step out toward what you’re calling the next level.


Awesome analogy! I like where you're going with this
 
Rick and Morty is awesome. Great clip.

Returning to the topic of higher and lower selves, where an arbitrary division is made between the two. While I'm confident that I get what you're saying, perhaps it would be better if we actually define where the demarcation point is in your mind between these two parts.

It should be noted here that the division made at the start of the discussion was in the context of afterlives where there is an assumed continuity of personhood following the death of the brain-body system, which implies that the two parts in question are 1. The brain-body system, and 2. Something else that defines us as persons that is separate from the brain-body system.

In these two divisions there seems to be the notion that the brain-body system is the "lower" which serves as a"vehicle" while that which defines us as persons is something "higher" — typically referred to as the "spirit" or the phenomenon of consciousness.

If there's a communication problem with respect to those issues, let's get them cleared-up now.

I appreciate how systematically you approach this
 
Sorry, but I can't begin by making those assumptions because they frontload the discussion with an acceptance of the concepts we're attempting to perform an analysis on. Instead, it makes more sense to begin by reducing the assumptions as much as possible by taking into account evidence that has already been shown to be true, then extrapolate how that might translate to these hypothetical situations — like the ROY simulation.

In principle I agree with you that we need to be critical of the assumptions.

We don't know that there is any "higher realm" — That is an assumption or claim based entirely on subjective experiences and beliefs.

However, based on the evidence we have at our disposal, there is a large amount of evidence from NDEs, telepathy experiments, remote viewing etc. that there is far more to our consciousness than it being merely a cerebral phenomenon

All we know is that whatever realm we're in now, it consists of measurable phenomena and proven rules for how things work

Wondering what your take on quantum physics is / doesn't for instance the double slit experiment show that consciousness is fundamental?

The ramifications of this situation on the notion of afterlives should now be obvious. How many parts can be discarded or replaced before the person who has appeared in the other realm is no longer the original — but just a copy?

I get where you're going with this. It's essentially the same question Aristotle asked. But how can we even define anything in this way? E.g. remove a leg of a chair; is it still a chair? Remove another leg; is it still a chair? Etc. ...

In the ROY simulation, Morty never leaves his current realm — his brain is just fooled into thinking it has. This is a very different type of situation from Morty dying in his realm, and then being reconstituted by some third-party mechanism in another one.

But maybe the incarnations we have now really are just a simulation of sorts. In that case the ROY simulation analogy wouldn't be too far off the mark would it?
 
[*]My position is that there are certain ways that this is possible, but only if a person can make the transition with everything intact, otherwise whatever part doesn't make transition must be filled-in by some replacement part.
[*]The ramifications of this situation on the notion of afterlives should now be obvious. How many parts can be discarded or replaced before the person who has appeared in the other realm is no longer the original — but just a copy?
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In the ROY simulation, Morty never leaves his current realm — his brain is just fooled into thinking it has. This is a very different type of situation from Morty dying in his realm, and then being reconstituted by some third-party mechanism in another one.L]
Perfect retort! Thanks for not indulging when you didn’t agree with the premis. 100% understood and I think that thought experiment served its purpose and located the demarcation.
Our difference in speculation on what happens to our Selves when we die is this:
1 I don’t believe we “continue”.
2 I don’t believe we “transition”.
Instead I believe we just lose/subtract the human portion of our experience. You believe that portion of experience is all there is. I doubt that and choose to believe otherwise. Your position works with science in regard to substance.

As a side note. I don’t believe in multi worlds. I think that’s just our confusion in encountering anomalies related to a higher realm involved and interacting non-physically with ours. I think we just read it like it must be multiples of our existence. But again that’s not a substance that can be measured.

Thank you
 
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How are the Bledsoes so important in Ufology
It seemed pretty important to me. who's more important right now?


Grant Cameron is another "Gaia" guy

what does this mean? he's been around for a long time... longer than Gaia I think.


Tom Delong who can be witnessed as a liar on the Joe Rogan Experience.

what are you referring to?

funny how Grant Cameron is allowed on the Joe Rogan Experience

you mean Tom DeLonge? I don't think Grant has been on Rogan.

anyway, yr entitled to yr opinion, but I sure wish you dig up some real stuff that could move the conversation forward... e.g. links, quotes, researchers who I could have on the show, etc.
 
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https://odysee.com/@BNN:6/David-Icke-Speaks-To-Heart-Nation---Full-Interview:8

Just been catching up with David Icke's latest research. This quote at the 1:01:40 timestamp is fascinating and (apart from whether it's a simulation) it's the point I was making with Alex in the interview:

"This level of the simulation is not the only level of the simulation. There are others. There are after-death levels of the simulation. And the manipulation is not just happening in this reality; it's happening in other realities. And I go into this in some detail" (in the book Icke is currently working on, 'The Trap')
classic Icke... I mean, I think you would really have to fully explain this and be willing to respond to the kind of back and forth that we had in our interview. for example, how would he process the gregory shushan stuff. Shushan has after death experiences across dozens of cultures and hundreds/thousands of years. and he documents how these experiences changed the lives of millions of people within those cultures.

and to this Icke just says " simulation." seems like an inadequate response.

The point that comes right after this (like around 1:02) it's kind of interesting, " how good is your psychic if she he didn't pick up on the covid hoax?"
 
However, based on the evidence we have at our disposal, there is a large amount of evidence from NDEs, telepathy experiments, remote viewing etc. that there is far more to our consciousness than it being merely a cerebral phenomenon.
Not really — not when you look at it it completely objectively. For example the AWARE study that used target images in in hospital operating rooms over an extended period of time had zero ( none - nada ) positive identifications. Also, all of the evidence you cite comes from people with functioning brains.

There is no ( zero - none ) real time relaying of the alleged experiences, meaning that they come entirely from a living patient's memory center, and memory does not equal disembodied consciousness. It can be completely fabricated by the brain just like dream imagery.

That is often countered by the claim that the brain could not have been working at the time, however the inescapable logic is that the brain must have been working well enough to create and record the memory on its neurons — or the memory of the experience would not be there. Therefore the claim that the brain wasn't functioning must be false. If the brain wasn't functioning, then the only other explanation is that the memory was planted there after the fact, otherwise, again, it wouldn't be there at all — Think !
 
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That is often countered by the claim that the brain could not have been working at the time, however the inescapable logic is that the brain must have been working well enough to create and record the memory on its neurons — or the memory of the experience would not be there. Therefore the claim that the brain wasn't functioning must be false. If the brain wasn't functioning, then the only other explanation is that the memory was planted there after the fact, otherwise, again, it wouldn't be there at all — Think !

Randall, these are just some rambling ‘thoughts‘ or maybe intuitions I have that were brought to the surface by your post.

I think that thinking alone will not provide anything like the answers you believe it will.
I think that we really have little clue as to how many things really work.
I think your bolding of the word Think lacks humility, and that humility is somehow something important - it seems to oppose ‘certainty’.

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”
William Shakespeare.
 
Not really — not when you look at it it completely objectively. For example the AWARE study that used target images in in hospital operating rooms over an extended period of time had zero ( none - nada ) positive identifications. Also, all of the evidence you cite comes from people with functioning brains.

There is no ( zero - none ) real time relaying of the alleged experiences, meaning that they come entirely from a living patient's memory center, and memory does not equal disembodied consciousness. It can be completely fabricated by the brain just like dream imagery.

That is often countered by the claim that the brain could not have been working at the time, however the inescapable logic is that the brain must have been working well enough to create and record the memory on its neurons — or the memory of the experience would not be there. Therefore the claim that the brain wasn't functioning must be false. If the brain wasn't functioning, then the only other explanation is that the memory was planted there after the fact, otherwise, again, it wouldn't be there at all — Think !

Again you bring valuable points to the table in a systematic way Randall. But I also have the same impression as Steve, that you're overly certain of what's 'possible'.

Not really — not when you look at it it completely objectively. For example the AWARE study that used target images in in hospital operating rooms over an extended period of time had zero ( none - nada ) positive identifications. Also, all of the evidence you cite comes from people with functioning brains.

That is indeed frustrating that this study hasn't (yet) brought the empirical results. It's a weak point in the argument that NDE reports show there's an extended consciousness realm.
There is however a lot of anecdotal evidence of the patients reporting accurately what was going on in the emergency room. My guess is they were too overwhelmed by the scene than to notice what was written on the sign. That seems to be in keeping with the NDEs too, that they tend to be people/relationship focused, rather than focusing on inanimate things or worldly accomplishments
 
If you want to know why Ryan Bledsoe is a fucking rat, go watch the last Union of the Unwanted. Not only can this asshole not get off his fucking soap box, but he is also doxing several people from D.W. Pasulka's book, American Cosmic

I've been catching up on ufology. In this brothers of the serpent show from December last year, they're talking about the real identity of 'James' from Pasalka's American Cosmic. I don't know who doxed him originally or if he revealed himself, but nevertheless the following excerpt is fascinating, from the timestamp 1:56:10

http://www.brothersoftheserpent.com/2021/12/episode-224-ufos-part-7-dee_0811275968.html?m=1
 
PS note that Marty Garza on the above podcast says that he finds Ryan Bledsoe a very credible source
 
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