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I can do the same thing with the Toronto Star and the CBC. Attacking the character of the source of information is a logical fallacy and in no way disputes the data they are presenting.

The government of Canada had to delete historical data on climate to make it fit their views. Doesn't that concern you?

And questioning the emergency isn't a partisan issue.

Wait a minute. So you're saying that the SOURCE doesn't matter?
So if I point to articles in The Onion, they are supposed to have as much validity as the Toronto Star and the CBC?
Are you really making that claim now?
Follow the money is very much a real thing.
So, let's look at the claim.
It's literally IMPOSSIBLE for the Liberal government to pay for articles to the CBC. Being a public company such transfers of money are transparent.
The claim is false on the face of it, and politically motivated.
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I’m not a capitalist or a socialist. I just believe the US constitution is the best attempt at mass scale freedom yet. So, I’m pretty much in agreement with everything you said except the dichotomy.
What dichotomy?
And isn't that more propaganda? Certainly there are good things in the US Constitution.
There are good things in any constitution.
There's also bad things. Like slavery.
Why do things have to be taken for or against by wholesale?
J
 
What dichotomy?
And isn't that more propaganda? Certainly there are good things in the US Constitution.
There are good things in any constitution.
There's also bad things. Like slavery.
Why do things have to be taken for or against by wholesale?
J
It seemed like you were posing the argument as if it’s capitalism vs socialism. That dichotomy.
In reality, totalitarians have found ways corrupt both of those and all other attempts at mass scale freedom. Currently, their most effective tools for usurping control are Climate change, BLM, Vaccines and (coming soon) Social Credit.
Up until 9/11 they were able to use right wing capitalism and the military industry . But now that the right wingers are pro gay, anti war, and free speech, and anti segregation, they (totalitarians) had to switch from the military right wing to the compulsory left wing.
 
It seemed like you were posing the argument as if it’s capitalism vs socialism. That dichotomy.
In reality, totalitarians have found ways corrupt both of those and all other attempts at mass scale freedom. Currently, their most effective tools for usurping control are Climate change, BLM, Vaccines and (coming soon) Social Credit.
Up until 9/11 they were able to use right wing capitalism and the military industry . But now that the right wingers are pro gay, anti war, and free speech, and anti segregation, they (totalitarians) had to switch from the military right wing to the compulsory left wing.
I'm not. I never believe in dichotomies. I think they are false choices.
What I believe in is blended economies.
America has always been more of a socialist state than Canada, or other European countries in that you spend FAR more of your money
on corporate socialism than any other nation.
I deny these black and white, coin flip tosses. There are times where social democracies are much more effective than pure market capitalism, and times when the reverse is true.
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That's an outright falsehood. The CBC is not beholden to any political party.
I've listened to the CBC for decades. Since I was a kid. They are not allowed BY LAW to approve of one party over another.
This is what I've been telling you. Your "True North" news source is unmitigated bullshit.
J


If the data was presented by the onion was true, then it would still be true. The government has given huge payouts to media, which is why the media downplays anything the government does wrong. They want the cash to keep flowing.

And what about the issue with the government deleting climate data to fit their narrative? Environment Canada has admitting to substituting "modeled" numbers for actual data.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...-scrapped-100-years-of-data-on-climate-change

EDIT: You are aware that the CBC is funded by the federal government, aren't you? Hence the various calls to "Defund the CBC".

https://www.change.org/p/prime-mini...ell-the-cbc-canadian-broadcasting-corporation

https://www.facebook.com/Defund-The-CBC-187314728341798/

https://www.newstbt.com/post/defund-the-cbc-clothing-coffee-is-a-hit-for-many-canadians

Even Wiki knows where the CBC gets it's funding from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation





Yes, that's right, the CBC is beholden to the Liberal Party of Canada. And you wonder why you can't trust the MSM in Canada?
 
Sorry you're going to have to do better than that.
1. The fact that the CBC tried to sue a political party DOESN'T MEAN that they therefore are beholden to another one. That's faulty
logic. They could have- and should- sue ANY political party that tries to infringe on their symbols.
2. the CRTC has different rules and regulations than the FDA. Suggesting that CNN and CBC are the same organizations is another bad faith logical argument as there are different bodies, different rules, and different expectations for each.
J
 
I don't judge people as reliable or not. I try to identify their claims and evidence as reliable.
This is the biggest problem in the world. We put our faith in PEOPLE and not EVIDENCE.
I've noticed NOBODY helped me when I asked.
Makes me wonder why we're still arguing about Climate Change when Canada is at the forefront of seeing this.
For example, how do you deny Climate Change when we're seeing the permafrost slumps all across the north?
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...-these-scientists-are-trying-to-fight-it.html

Does this mean people aren't making money on Climate Change? OF COURSE. People have made money on every calamity since the beginning of humanity. It doesn't mean it's not true.
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Keep in mind that the media in Canada gets extra money from the government to produce climate emergency stories. That tends to skew the media.

https://tnc.news/2020/02/11/liberals-paid-news-outlets-millions-for-climate-change-content/

Which is why you probably have never heard the other side of these issues.

https://tnc.news/2020/08/14/climate-alarmism-and-co2-with-dr-patrick-moore/

Countless governments vilify — and tax — carbon dioxide emissions in the fight against climate change, but according to former Greenpeace president Patrick Moore, this flies in the face of science. Moore sat down with True North’s Andrew Lawton to discuss why CO2 is a positive, not a negative, for the environment, and how to push back against hysteria from climate alarmists.
No wonder poor brain-washed Canadian kids are so terrified these days. Nothing like fear to control the masses.

https://tnc.news/2020/08/17/canadia...of-climate-change-than-drugs-or-gun-violence/

There is a lot of hypocrisy involved in the whole climate alarmism movement. The Trudeau government actually deleted data from climate records in order to push their climate emergency agenda.

I never heard of "True North Media". A little investigation shows why.
It's a wealthy shill company that produces Right wing nonsense.
Always follow the money.
https://www.straight.com/tech/right...lowers-and-leo-knight-down-by-300-after-trump
https://cultmtl.com/2019/10/fake-news-media-literacy/

Check out their origins,.
https://canucklaw.ca/media-5-the-origins-of-true-north-canada-which-its-founder-hides/

If we're going to get honesty in the world. We have to stop falling down left/right rabbit holes. Please!
J
Attacking the character of the source of information is a logical fallacy and in no way disputes the data they are presenting.

The government of Canada had to delete historical data on climate to make it fit their views. Doesn't that concern you?

And questioning the emergency isn't a partisan issue.


Wait a minute. So you're saying that the SOURCE doesn't matter?
So if I point to articles in The Onion, they are supposed to have as much validity as the Toronto Star and the CBC?
Are you really making that claim now?
Follow the money is very much a real thing.
So, let's look at the claim.
It's literally IMPOSSIBLE for the Liberal government to pay for articles to the CBC. Being a public company such transfers of money are transparent.
The claim is false on the face of it, and politically motivated.
J

True information is true information. The source does not make it more or less true

The government deleted climate data to fit their narrative. Environment Canada has admitting to substituting "modeled" numbers for actual data.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...-scrapped-100-years-of-data-on-climate-change

You are aware that the CBC is funded by the federal government, aren't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] It is a federal Crown corporation funded by the government.
In 2015, the Liberal Party was returned to power. As part of its election platform, it promised to restore the $115 million of funding to the CBC that was cut by the Harper Government, over three years, and add $35 million, for a total extra funding of $150 million.[44]
Yes, that's right, the CBC is beholden to the Liberal Party of Canada. And you wonder why you can't trust the MSM in Canada?

That's an outright falsehood. The CBC is not beholden to any political party.
I've listened to the CBC for decades. Since I was a kid. They are not allowed BY LAW to approve of one party over another.
This is what I've been telling you. Your "True North" news source is unmitigated bullshit.
J
Is that why the CBC tried to sue the Conservative Party during the 2019 election? To show how "unbiased" they were?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbc-conservative-party-lawsuit-dismissed-1.6025022

What specifically did True North get wrong?


Sorry you're going to have to do better than that.
1. The fact that the CBC tried to sue a political party DOESN'T MEAN that they therefore are beholden to another one. That's faulty
logic. They could have- and should- sue ANY political party that tries to infringe on their symbols.
2. the CRTC has different rules and regulations than the FDA. Suggesting that CNN and CBC are the same organizations is another bad faith logical argument as there are different bodies, different rules, and different expectations for each.
J
The Conservative Party was sued for using CBC news footage that showed things such as the sponsorship scandal and Trudeau's habit of wearing blackface. That is fair use, and the court agreed that it was fair use. But by suing, the CBC stopped the footage from being shown in election ads. So it sued the Conservatives to protect Trudeau and help the Liberals win the election

A few posts back you suggested I follow the money. I did. The Conservatives under Harper reduced funding to the CBC. Trudeau restored that funding and increased it significantly, with additional bailout funding due to the CBC's inability to attract an audience (and attract companies willing to buy ad time). It's no wonder that the CBC, and civil servants in general (because their funding also tends to be cut during Conservative governments) have a very strong bias towards seeing the Liberals elected.

You still haven't refuted any of the stories posted by True North. Not even the one where retired CBC news anchor Peter Mansbridge chastises the CBC over trust issues.

(But of course, poorly paid trolls aren't going to go to the trouble of providing factual information.)

How do I know you are a troll? Because you changed the topic to distract from the real issue of vaccine injuries. And state funded news is always an issue, look at China and North Korea. Independent media is needed to promote democracy and freedom.
 
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So, by your OWN comments, the CBC DID use the news footage against the Liberals in the first place.
So, you just pointed out that CBC doesn't pick favourites. If they did. They wouldn't HAVE the news footage in the first place that was used and repurposed by the Conservatives- who, were, by the way, constantly repurposing things for their OWN political agenda. Not the least of which gutting and destroying science and renaming "The Government of Canada" to "Steven Harper's Government".
I have refuted (even in this very comment) such a claim that the CBC is biased towards Liberals. It's simply untrue as you've seen.
True North is a corporate sell out company trying to warp stories to fit their own narrative. I've sent you links to demonstrate that. They aren't reporters, they are opinion makers.
Is CBC got trust issues? Absolutely. There's not a news organization in the world that has an unbesmirched record. Doesn't make True North statements accurate.
BTW, I focus mostly on CBC radio and not television. As anything funded by corporations has a problem. CBC radio hasn't taken money for their broadcasts except as the citizens news choice. And it shows.

J
 
I’ve been advised this morning by my doctors to avoid the boosters due to my reaction.

I’m not looking forward to when these boosters become mandatory for everything else too.
I know a number of people in the same situation. That is what is making people distrust the vaccine, the fact that you aren't allowed to acknowledge any problems with it.

I had an allergic reaction to penicillin decades ago. My doctor, pharmacist, and pretty much any healthcare professional I've dealt with have no issues with not giving me this particular medication (which is a good medication that has saved many people). I don't get called "anti-science" or "anti-antibiotic", or banned from public events. But when people have a reaction to covid vaccines, they suddenly become untouchables. Look at what happened to Eric Clapton.


https://burk0001.medium.com/heroes-of-2021-speak-out-this-has-gotta-stop-87f86458bb1c

EDIT: Medium censored the original post, so it has now been posted on substack.
https://larryburk.substack.com/p/heroes-of-2021-speak-out-this-has

Eric Clapton suffered a va$$ination injury in the spring of 2021 that temporarily disabled him with worsening of his painful peripheral neuropathy to the point where he was unable to use his hands for 3 weeks. As a legendary guitarist it was a wake-up call that caused him to speak out about coercion from propaganda ads produced by the NHS. He asked his physician to file a Yellow Card report of the adverse reaction, but was unprepared for the vicious backlash to his public disclosure from the mainstream media.

His courageous response was to record his defiant hero’s anthem, “This Has Gotta Stop,” in August which now has almost 2.5 million video views. The lyrics speak volumes: “Enough is enough I can’t take this BS any longer. It’s gone far enough. If you wanna claim my soul you’ll have to come and break down this door.”
 
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I do. Opinions aren’t automatically rejected with me.

To me, ‘unqualified‘ should not automatically mean they should be ignored, just as ‘qualified‘ should not mean they are talking sense. Far from it. Fwiw, I’ve heard some highly qualified people talking complete garbage. Alex has proven this over and over, with interviews with highly respected scientists with qualifications up the ying-yang! The choosing of people and the topic they’re speaking about is often critical - as well as they’re bias - who’s funding them etc.

My own preferred method is looking at everything, then by instinct and prior evidence/knowledge choose relatively honest qualified individuals to trust to put forward the side of the story I currently tend to favour.

Of course every side will have biases, but I look for honesty/integrity in the people I choose.
I'm talking about some dorky debate club type, like Ellis.
 
I'm talking about some dorky debate club type, like Ellis.
It makes sense to assume that the person is acting in good faith unless proven otherwise.
Assuming that everyone is lying to conceal a deeper truth that YOU'VE figured out is usually an invitation for a suit that does up in the back.
It consigned people to a never-ending paranoia where even when you think you've discovered the answer you are forced to realize that it is not what you think it is.
That being said, Richard Dolan is one of the more rational thinkers on the UFO phenomena, and even he can fall down a rabbit hole.
But notice how he describes the world going to totalitarianism. It's not some kind of socialist-communist world government- its the corporate kleptocracy that has all the answers and pulls the strings of the government.
The ONLY way to make a difference and affect change is to demand accountability, remove corporate influence. Stop the revolving doors by saying, "You can't be given funding for re-election except from public sources, and everyone gets the same. You also cannot meet with lobbyists. If you do, you will be jailed. You can't work for any private industry that is in any way connected to any work you've done as a government official for 10 years."
Those laws alone would transform the government and society.
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/11/26-20-mu-podcast-richard-dolan/
 
It makes sense to assume that the person is acting in good faith unless proven otherwise.
Assuming that everyone is lying to conceal a deeper truth that YOU'VE figured out is usually an invitation for a suit that does up in the back.
It consigned people to a never-ending paranoia where even when you think you've discovered the answer you are forced to realize that it is not what you think it is.
That being said, Richard Dolan is one of the more rational thinkers on the UFO phenomena, and even he can fall down a rabbit hole.
But notice how he describes the world going to totalitarianism. It's not some kind of socialist-communist world government- its the corporate kleptocracy that has all the answers and pulls the strings of the government.
The ONLY way to make a difference and affect change is to demand accountability, remove corporate influence. Stop the revolving doors by saying, "You can't be given funding for re-election except from public sources, and everyone gets the same. You also cannot meet with lobbyists. If you do, you will be jailed. You can't work for any private industry that is in any way connected to any work you've done as a government official for 10 years."
Those laws alone would transform the government and society.
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/11/26-20-mu-podcast-richard-dolan/
You're another one.

Blah blah blah corporate this and that, government would be enlightened and benevolent to the level of christ-like if not for that...climate change and covid are real though despite all that corruption. Whatever. Contradict yourself much?

The day I need some self-righteous jerk off canuck to tell me how to think and what's real is the day I might as well just jump off a cliff.

eh
 
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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were having an honest conversation. Not just falling back on silly nationalistic tropes.
See how easy that was? I assumed good faith. You demonstrated otherwise, and now I know not to engage you in conversation again.
Have a lovely day :)
J
 
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were having an honest conversation. Not just falling back on silly nationalistic tropes.
See how easy that was? I assumed good faith. You demonstrated otherwise, and now I know not to engage you in conversation again.
Have a lovely day :)
J
You're not clever either. As a member of the debate club, you think you are, but you're not. You're maybe one level above Ellis.

Now go back to worshiping Trudeau and pray for more government censorship and control of its stupid subjects.
 
You're not clever either. As a member of the debate club, you think you are, but you're not. You're maybe one level above Ellis.

Now go back to worshiping Trudeau and pray for more government censorship and control of its stupid subjects.
Remember not to feed the troll. I know it's hard sometimes because they are so stupid and irrational that it is hard to just ignore them. I got sucked in too.

First he changes the subject to distract from the topic of vaccine injuries. Then it's a never ending changing gears from topic to topic, and many contradictions and lies along the way. Who knows if he is even Canadian.
 
Remember not to feed the troll. I know it's hard sometimes because they are so stupid and irrational that it is hard to just ignore them. I got sucked in too.

First he changes the subject to distract from the topic of vaccine injuries. Then it's a never ending changing gears from topic to topic, and many contradictions and lies along the way. Who knows if he is even Canadian.
Good observation and thanks for the reminder. The condescending tone in comment #171 set me off.

Also, I think you are a Canadian. No offense intended to the few of you that still have a mind and soul. Most Canadians I encounter are just beer soaked socialist drones begging for more government control of their lives and "bragging" about how wonderful it is.
 
Good observation and thanks for the reminder. The condescending tone in comment #171 set me off.

Also, I think you are a Canadian. No offense intended to the few of you that still have a mind and soul. Most Canadians I encounter are just beer soaked socialist drones begging for more government control of their lives and "bragging" about how wonderful it is.
No offense taken. #171 was meant to provoke you. I had stopped playing so he had to suck someone else in. He will either talk to Ellis now, or try to suck someone else in, or create a new sock puppet that will sound reasonable at first and later show it's true nature.
 
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This Canadian doctor, who is pro-vaccine, clearly states that there is no logical reason to separate unvaccinated people from those who are vaccinated. He says the segragation is inappropriate because vaccinated people can still get covid and spread the infection. Segregation does not protect the most at risk people (the elderly and those with co-morbidities).

 
Regarding pregnant women vaxxed in the first and secnd trimester - 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.

Links to the original study available in this linked article (or in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Study Shows That Up To 8 In 10 Women Had A Miscarriage After Getting The Covid Vaccine Before The Third Trimester | Evie Magazine

A simple math error [on purpose or not on purpose I don’t know] on part of team responsible for the Shimabukuro NEJM/CDC paper has been known for months.

Some of us caught it at the time.

It is quite convoluted how Shimabukuro explained it [in which they made math error, which they did not acknowledge; that resulted in erroneous conclusions their NEJM paper was based on].

In simplest terms: Shimbakuro et al. used the wrong denominator, at a key point in calculations; based on their own data, via this math error, they then wrongly assess a much lower, instead of the correct, much higher percents of miscarriages — based on their own data set, from the CDC V-SAFE.

Obviously, this never should have occurred, but it did and NEJM published it; that is where, in the old days, peer review, proof readers and fact checkers would be deployed; and had that happened, there would be no debate that the data in the Shimbakuro paper itself shows exactly the miscarriage rate of at least 81.88976% in either trimester 1 or 2. [Citing “fact checkers” like discredited Reuters –after the fact — to “debunk” corrections to the NEJM failure to fact check in the first place, before hand — prior to publishing — is a fools errand at best.]

Of 827 completed pregnancies, at least 700 were from a third semester covid 19 vax shots. Thus, at most, 127 otherwise, either trimester 1 or 2/ covid shots.

Thus at least 104 spontaneous abortions, divided by at most 127, equals a miscarriage rate of at least 81.88976%

104/127 = 82%

But this is not how the Shimbakuro team calculated, and that is on them, and on the NEJM, and also on the CDC which spread this, as Shimbakuro is their main guy on pregnancy safety and the covid shots. So obviously this is a very big deal. And this gross error needs to be acknowledged and corrected. That is what rational people do. That is the actual scientific method.
 
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