Probably Goodbye

Mediochre

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I think I originally came to this forum because I wanted to share my experiences of which I had and still have a lot of anger and hatred towards. I still want to share those experiences, but I can't help but think doing so would be a really, really bad idea in the long run. From what I can tell my experiences go so far against the spiritualist narrative, whose members vastly outnumber the opposition, that sharing such expereinces might actually cause material harm to me in the future. At least that's the fear.

I also came to this forum intending to share what knowledge I had on magic. But the more I looked the more I saw other people already doing that. Sure some of it was different and I didn't agree with all of it but it was probably good enough to get people started. I didn't really see what I was adding to the discusson anymore. I didn't really see why I was bothering with my open source magic deveopment thread. So I deleted it.

The third reason I came was probably to pick fights with spiritualists and point out their hypocrisy although I didn't know it at the time. My hatred of what I had to go through with the paranormal is amplified in the spiritualists who enable that behaviour and are ultimately the reason it exists at all. I'm a fighter at my core, I don't really feel alive unless something is trying to kill me. I've learned that it's not a way of being most people can relate to. I don't think it's fair that spirits are capable of doing what they do and most if not all people down here aren't. I don't think it's fair that they have the capability to ruin peoples lives, mess with their emotions and mental states, outright kill them, and more without the slightest chance of retaliation in most cases. I don't think it's fair that spirits claim to have some sort of moral authority that other people, especially on this plane, don't. And that they justify their authority with nothing but power. I don't like that they have run an incredibly successful campaign of human domestication for who knows how long just because they want to feel special. If I'm honest, I want to murder all of them. Find everyone involved and cut them to pieces. Force them to incarnate in the world they helped create and see how superior they feel then. And at one time I tried to do just that and failed spectacularly. Really only alive now because of help from others. But that's just crazy talk from a random blind man with no power and no ability to do anything of any substance in the world.

So I'm at an impasse, wanting to talk about all this stuff but knowing it's both too crazy and too dark to do so. And also because, let's face it, this is an internet forum, what is discussion here really going to accomplish? I might as well spend my time doing what I was doing before joining skeptiko and training in the hopes that one day I might be able to attain the level of magic I want and train others. Hopefully bringing more freedom into the world for individuals. I don't even know if I really want to train other sometimes. I look around at all the religious people and others who bow down to systems of authority and I wonder if they even deserve it. The world is in it's current state not because a few bad people rule it at the top, but because billions follow their orders with a smile on their face. The corruption does not exist in the hearts and minds of government officials or CEO's, it exists in the hearts and minds of the average walmart shopper or regular at the local church. The people who do what they do "just to get by" with no regard for their own dignity and no thought about why they bother surviving at all.

So a lot of my training has shifted to attempting to leave my body and never come back. Sure I could just commit suicide to achieve approximately the same thing, in the same way Tang is approximately orange juice, but that wouldn't be any fun. Besides, the ability to consciously leave an incarnation whenever I want would be an incredibly useful skill that would come in very handy in future incarnations whenever I want to "reroll my character."

So I throw it back to you, random reader. Have I been wasting both my time and everyone elses here on this forum, or is there still a reason for me to be here?
 
I think you have more to offer this board then you believe. Personally I would be interested by what you experienced and know about magick
 
I think you have more to offer this board then you believe. Personally I would be interested by what you experienced and know about magick

Thanks, I'm very certain that more people would rather see me go. Probably because I'm "mean" or at least that's the sense I get. But I'm still undecided on the whole thing.
 
I think you have more to offer this board then you believe. Personally I would be interested by what you experienced and know about magick

Realistically I can't leave. I don't know what capacity I'll stay in or what I'll be willing to discuss but I can't see myself stopping willingly. I'm too tired of this stuff never getting talked about and not being able to share my expereinces. For example I actually did pop out of my body just a couple days ago and obviously I also came back although I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. I suppose the fact that I have yet to master the whole 'staying out' part of leaving my body saved me a bit.

But it was quite the unpleasant adventure while I was out and forced to consider the very real possibility that the place I'd found myself in might be the place I'd be stuck for quite awhile or even die in and find myelf somewhere else again. I plan on writing up what happened in as much detail as possible. And I'd already started writing up another old expereince from like, 2010, in the same amount of detail and I suppose it'd be a waste to just throw all of it out.
 
Thanks, I'm very certain that more people would rather see me go. Probably because I'm "mean" or at least that's the sense I get. But I'm still undecided on the whole thing.
Why do you think people might want you to leave?
 
If you don't want to speak about your experiences openly on the forum, why not pick someone and talk to them via PM? Remember that a PM can contain more than two people of your choice - so you can have a private group discussion.

David
 
Why do you think people might want you to leave?
[Sorry Obiwan, the following was meant for the OP ... ]

People here don't know you personally so the impression that you are "mean" can only have come from you. What's the point of saying the things you have said, stirring a reaction, and then leaving because people don't agree with you? Has anyone reported you to the moderator or told you that you should leave? The only time we do that is when someone is deliberately scheming in order to cause friction, the way trolls do or, in a more insidious fashion, some ideological "skeptics" (ok, and yes, some proponents). Nevertheless, some of the more disruptive and controversial members have been tolerated for long periods with occasional (even frequent) temporary bans from which they returned and resumed where they left off.

On the other hand, I often take a break for my own good. Sometimes it gets a bit tedious and annoying reading the same old arguments over and over. And at other times there have been personality clashes which I don't always handle with composure.
 
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So I'm at an impasse, wanting to talk about all this stuff but knowing it's both too crazy and too dark to do so. And also because, let's face it, this is an internet forum, what is discussion here really going to accomplish?

There's lots of people here that you may not have come across yet who would be extremely interested in your experiences, good and bad. I hope that you will settle in and feel more comfortable talking about it in the future.

As far as "this is an internet forum, what is discussion here really going to accomplish?" Well, my personal experience with this forum has been quite life changing, although admittedly one has to get here first and that's most of the 'work.' My spiritual beliefs have done a 180 and there are many resources to draw from here. Also, I got 'red pilled' politically by Hurm which has been interesting :)


Most people here have a fairly thick skin.
 
As far as "this is an internet forum, what is discussion here really going to accomplish?" Well, my personal experience with this forum has been quite life changing, although admittedly one has to get here first and that's most of the 'work.' My spiritual beliefs have done a 180 and there are many resources to draw from here.
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David
 
What's the point of saying the things you have said, stirring a reaction, and then leaving because people don't agree with you?

I don't care if people don't agree with me. I care if said dissagrement leads to a material consequence in the future. Psi is still considered a largely weird, fringe idea by a large number of people. At least some of those people have access and control over resources that other people need to live. If I start putting out a lot of my experiences on the forum and those expereinces get linked back to me and I am at the time beholden to someone who thinks it's all crazy there's a decent chance that person could use that as an excuse to ruin my life.

For example, my girlfriend nearly got evicted because her christian landlord found out from her christian housemate that she did astral projection. The landlord said to stop or be evicted because it was "demonic." My girlfriend agreed but continued to project anyways, she just stopped telling her housemate about it. However the very fact that the situation is like that drives me to want to share experiences.

There's lots of people here that you may not have come across yet who would be extremely interested in your experiences, good and bad. I hope that you will settle in and feel more comfortable talking about it in the future.

I have at least one thing that I figure I should finish writing up and post and see what happens. My recent attempt to leave my body is also worth writing up and I figure I should do it as well because it's less than a week old from the time of this comment.

If you don't want to speak about your experiences openly on the forum, why not pick someone and talk to them via PM? Remember that a PM can contain more than two people of your choice - so you can have a private group discussion.

As I see it if everyone continues to feel like they can only talk about certain psi things behind closed doors or in PM's then nothing will change. I very much sympathize with people like Joy Lin and how difficult it is to truly tell people what one actually does. So I'm either sharing publicly or not at all. For me the whole thing is a risk/reward calculation. Emotionally I'd rather share and talk completely openly but I don't know if that's the smartest idea. If I had my abilities to a certain level in the real world then there'd be no problem because I could use demonstrations as proof for some stuff. As well as to help me live in general. I don't know if it's worth talking about before I get those abilities or not. It could be really good or really bad either way.
 
I don't care if people don't agree with me. I care if said dissagrement leads to a material consequence in the future. Psi is still considered a largely weird, fringe idea by a large number of people. At least some of those people have access and control over resources that other people need to live. If I start putting out a lot of my experiences on the forum and those expereinces get linked back to me and I am at the time beholden to someone who thinks it's all crazy there's a decent chance that person could use that as an excuse to ruin my life.

For example, my girlfriend nearly got evicted because her christian landlord found out from her christian housemate that she did astral projection. The landlord said to stop or be evicted because it was "demonic." My girlfriend agreed but continued to project anyways, she just stopped telling her housemate about it. However the very fact that the situation is like that drives me to want to share experiences.
Mediochre,

Part of the value of this forum, is that people can come here using a nickname and discuss what they like within fairly broad limits, which I am sure you would be unlikely to transgress.

I am sure that if this forum were discussing criminal activity of some sort, the powers that be could find a way to unmask the people here, but we aren't - most people would class us as harmless nutters! Don't forget that this forum has members from all over the world - you really don't need to give away personal information that might identify you.

I would just relax a bit, and post actual experiences using some discretion - and also enjoy reading some of the discussion by others.

Your girlfriend solved her problem pretty easily, and I think that is typical - once someone stops talking about it, others lose interest. I tried telling a friend about NDE's, because his wife was dying at the time, and I thought it would help him. In fact he got quite upset, so I dropped the subject, and he never mentions it!

David
 
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