Ralph Blumenthal, On John Mack and the Alien Abduction Non-Reality |499|

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Gave Skeptiko another try. Was enjoying the conversation and then Alex couldn't help himself. "Pedo pope". Whooop. Done. Turned it off.
Please don't give up on Skeptiiko's Alex. I have the same tendency to lash out at the cruelest manifestation of BS embodied in a religion. What do you suggest needs to be done about a massive, incredibly rich organization that has such a putrid history? I think Alex will eventually lay bare the psychop that is christianity in general, catholicism being its most hideous expression.
 
#44
Excellent show :)

We know alien visitation is a reality. They ( The PTB ) know alien visitation is a reality. The rest are either uninformed or in a state of denial.
That's just your interpretation. As a non-member of the Powers That Be, I say I am neither uninformed nor in state of denial. What I lean towards is the view that "alien visitation" represents something in the collective consciousness of humanity rather than being a literal truth.
 
#45
That's just your interpretation. As a non-member of the Powers That Be, I say I am neither uninformed nor in state of denial. What I lean towards is the view that "alien visitation" represents something in the collective consciousness of humanity rather than being a literal truth.
Please read Jeff Mishlove's The PK Man. There is apparently (I'm tempted to say undeniable) a reality to space intelligences beyond just a psychic factor. As I understand it. Jung initially said UFOs were a projection or maybe something in the collective unconscious, but he reversed himself later. The scars & PTSD of the abducted, among other things, give it reality.
 
#46
Please read Jeff Mishlove's The PK Man. There is apparently (I'm tempted to say undeniable) a reality to space intelligences beyond just a psychic factor. As I understand it. Jung initially said UFOs were a projection or maybe something in the collective unconscious, but he reversed himself later. The scars & PTSD of the abducted, among other things, give it reality.
Placebos work, and can effect apparently real changes in human physiology. Likewise, maybe aspects of collective consciousness could be able to effect real changes in what can be perceived -- not just by immediate experiencers, but by anyone who cares to look at the evidence. Reality doesn't necessarily have to have its source in concretely identifiable events.
 
#47
Placebos work, and can effect apparently real changes in human physiology. Likewise, maybe aspects of collective consciousness could be able to effect real changes in what can be perceived -- not just by immediate experiencers, but by anyone who cares to look at the evidence. Reality doesn't necessarily have to have its source in concretely identifiable events.
I guess I lost your train of thought. I thought you were referring to the 'collective UNconscious' but I checked again &, no, you're referring to c. conscious. The web refers to it as a "shared set of beliefs, ideas, & moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society." So, is this idea of yours something like the Hundredth Monkey affect that hypothetically claims that once a critical number of people are aware of an idea or exhibit a behavior, that idea or behavior spreads extremely rapidly by unexplained means?
This is a fascinating idea: what if UFOs or Ted Owens's "space intelligences" have to have a critical mass of believers in order for them to expose themselves w/o reserve? Once the tide shifts to most everyone accepts the idea of UFOs, then 'they' will no longer bother to pop up here & there? This is very exciting since I think humanity as a whole has reached that point or is about to. I have been commenting & reading a lot on HuffPost about the gov't. response to the Navy's admission that the videos of UAPs were not fakes, & the upcoming report due in a few weeks. I had expected a tide of "what crazy shit is this? Everybody knows little green men are sci-fi fantasy only!" But no! There was roughly a 60/40 or as high as 70/30 split FOR the reality of UFOs/ETs. The ones who were booing were noticeably uninformed, making comments like they are seen, but there's no radar contact or some other slack-jawed comment like that. One common theme was there's no evidence at all b/c why haven't they said hello by now? Just dim-witted, unconnected mental slobber. Depending on what that gov't. paper puts out, we may be in for a wave of alien sightings, contacts, & a free-for-all of unparalleled proportions.
If you watch Ancient Aliens, one of their common themes is that ET is likely to re-establish its contact w/ humans on a massive scale any time now. I had always taken that as just more of the longing for the Messiah or welcome home, master, but they may be on to something!
 
#48
I guess I lost your train of thought. I thought you were referring to the 'collective UNconscious' but I checked again &, no, you're referring to c. conscious. The web refers to it as a "shared set of beliefs, ideas, & moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society." So, is this idea of yours something like the Hundredth Monkey affect that hypothetically claims that once a critical number of people are aware of an idea or exhibit a behavior, that idea or behavior spreads extremely rapidly by unexplained means?
Well, sort of. First off, I think there is no such thing as a collective UNconsciousness. There is only a collective consciousness, but within that, we may or may not be METAconsciously aware. Where not, that's what Jung termed the collective unconscious, but as BK has noted, he didn't really mean unconscious; he meant that awareness which hasn't yet risen to the level of metaconsciousness.

What I suppose I was really trying to say is that once enough people deem something possible, then that may be able to influence actual perception. People not only report injury from aliens, but anyone is able to verify they have injuries consistent with those reports. Mind, that doesn't prove they actually were injured by aliens.

I'm not saying they consciously made it all up -- they may well be sincerely convinced they were injured by aliens. And things might even get as far as disinterested parties being able to actually handle what are thought of as alien artefacts, but they may be a species of egregore brought into apparent existence by people who have experienced something real and traumatic which they can only express in terms of contact with fairies, elves, or alien beings according to whatever predominates in the current zeitgeist.

At one time not so long ago, people scoffed at the placebo effect, but now it's taken seriously, so much so that most drugs (except, it seems, vaccines!) have to be able to better the placebo effect. Scientists are busy trying to come up with some materialistic explanation of why placebos work, but in the end they might work simply because belief has the power to cure disease.

That thought is anathema to materialists. There simply must be a billiard ball kind of explanation and they won't give up until they find it, or quite possibly just come to think they have found it.

Any way, that's how I've been thinking, for whatever it's worth.
 

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#50
Well, sort of. First off, I think there is no such thing as a collective UNconsciousness. There is only a collective consciousness, but within that, we may or may not be METAconsciously aware. Where not, that's what Jung termed the collective unconscious, but as BK has noted, he didn't really mean unconscious; he meant that awareness which hasn't yet risen to the level of metaconsciousness.

What I suppose I was really trying to say is that once enough people deem something possible, then that may be able to influence actual perception. People not only report injury from aliens, but anyone is able to verify they have injuries consistent with those reports. Mind, that doesn't prove they actually were injured by aliens.

I'm not saying they consciously made it all up -- they may well be sincerely convinced they were injured by aliens. And things might even get as far as disinterested parties being able to actually handle what are thought of as alien artefacts, but they may be a species of egregore brought into apparent existence by people who have experienced something real and traumatic which they can only express in terms of contact with fairies, elves, or alien beings according to whatever predominates in the current zeitgeist.

At one time not so long ago, people scoffed at the placebo effect, but now it's taken seriously, so much so that most drugs (except, it seems, vaccines!) have to be able to better the placebo effect. Scientists are busy trying to come up with some materialistic explanation of why placebos work, but in the end they might work simply because belief has the power to cure disease.

That thought is anathema to materialists. There simply must be a billiard ball kind of explanation and they won't give up until they find it, or quite possibly just come to think they have found it.

Any way, that's how I've been thinking, for whatever it's worth.
I guess I need to do even more reading about Jungian psychology; in the Oxford series Very Short Introductions, the one titled Jung has a diagram of concentric circles w/ the most inner circle labeled collective unconscious, with Self at the center; this is also the 'space' for the archetypes. Next, is the layer for the personal unconscious that contains people's complexes, possibly corresponding in part to E. Tolle's "pain body." The outer skin is consciousness w/ ego.
I had read a few books on alien abductions, like Communion by W. Strieber & another that had photos of a common odd scarring found on the outer lower leg of abductees. There was also a discussion of the consistent loss of time (people found themselves 'missing time'- they were one moment sitting in their unstartable cars in the dark & the next moment, the sun was coming up), common 'dream' images that were explained as the person's mind trying to make sense of the gray's unusual appearance (large, shiny eyes & a inverted tear drop head became a wolf's face, or an insect's). These people often, but not always, slowly over time remembered details of being taken into spacecraft, probed, tested, & examined. To their credit, some ETs have done beneficial things to the humans they took against their will, but as you know, bad news travels fastest.
So there is the 'book-learning' part that was followed by my personal experience w/ a girlfriend. She was a divorcee w/ three children who began telling me about her odd experiences w/ a stranger who showed up at her house 3 times. She wanted to see her youngest son & asked how he was doing. My ex-girl friend indignantly turned her away & finally she stopped appearing. She also had anxiety attacks & took pills for these, described troubling dreams, & loss of time. I then asked her if she had images of wolves, birds, or creatures w/ huge eyes. She did & she also said her third pregnancy was a shock, for reasons she didn't go into.
I later met her third child who had oddly large, protrudent eyes & a very mature, self-possessed manner for a three year old. He also refused to sleep unless his room was absolutely dark. She also was quite terrified at the prospect of being abducted, so I didn't bother her w/ it beyond that initial talk. I lost contact w/ her long ago; I wish had been able to keep up w/ her, but as I said, she is one of those who'd rather not know any more.
As far as alien archeological & scriptural evidence goes. it's a slam dunk for me. Maybe you're aware of the Nazca Lines in Peru? These are very large & well-proportioned depictions of insects & other creatures. They are on a vast flat area w/ no mountains or other natural formations that would make them visible as wholes. The Peruvians that are believed to have made them had no hang gliders or balloons in their history. Why would people go to such trouble to make them when they couldn't see them? How were they able to construct them properly unless it was directed from above? Peru is also a very popular place for UFO sightings like Japan.
The massive list of stone engravings, paintings, statues, buildings, & so on is just one source of evidence. There are so many cultures that refer to 'sky gods' & make other references to helpful 'gods' & children of 'gods' that I really think it borders on the incredible for people to deny it. You might also search the Serapeum of Saqqara, a necropolis found underground near Memphis, Egypt. Please read & look at more than one treatment. Some postings are incredibly close-minded & ridicule any hint of alternate explanations. There are 23 rectangular boxes of solid granite weighing 70 - 100 tons, the weight of several small autos. They are very precisely constructed & placed below a walkway. Ask yourself, what kind of devices would you have to have to first produce such extraordinary workmanship, & then move them to two levels below ground? As usual, the granite came from quite a distance. Floated there on log rafts? Come on! To ritually bury bulls? Only one 'coffin' held bull remains, & I suspect these were added later to support such a weak idea. Have you heard that the remaining facing stones on the Giza Pyramids are cut so precisely that you can't fit a CREDIT CARD between them? Tell me how hammers, chisels, plumb lines, etc. (the tools found for that time) could make such awesome cuts?
As you may know from Skeptiko podcasts, the lengths that establishment science & academia will go to support their work & urinate on anything else is factually established.
One last thing: I have been w/ my filipino wife for 9 years now & have always talked about UFOs, Buddhism, mysticism, alternate healing modalities, which are actually quite common in the Philippines & yet the other night, she suddenly remembered for the first time lying outside at night w/her parents enjoying the night sky covered in blazing stars. To their amazement, a 'fireball' appeared, made a long U-shaped path in the sky & flew out of sight. She well knows I, my bro, several friends & acquaintances have seen UFOs, so why keep it to herself? She just happened to finally remember the event? I think there may a safety issue really, since rural filipinos widely believe in witches & some flying creature that carries away pregnant women. To have visions or see 'fireballs' & tell about them may get you lumped in w/ the debbil!
 
#51
It's funny... Like all other unknowns in the field awaiting "disclosure" by somebody else.
We're making it up as we go merrily along.
Goblin Universe, all the way.
There is no "serious" investigation to be done. That's what mystery is for. Can't explain everything, especially to everyone else.
It's why this whole "alien disclosure" thing is the biggest joke ever. And obvious psy-op.
The genetic mind or collective subconscious was effectively fractured last year and up to that point, so we can no longer agree on much of our shared "reality" and the dominant paradigm is still in question for renewal.
A directed front to steer public opinion on PRACTICALLY ANYTHING these days is doomed to failure, thanks to pushing too many narratives last year.
So, whatever the case in the greater so-called "objective reality" (really isn't one), "they" (goodness I hate it when people give power away with such labels) can't admit to aliens or whatever being real, because "they" (we) couldn't steer the narrative to only fear and bad aliens. At this point, we'd have to admit to ALL, and the entire house of cards would come tumbling down.
Might be good to know when to consciously knock it down, before it catches on fire more and explodes...
 
#52
It's funny... Like all other unknowns in the field awaiting "disclosure" by somebody else.
We're making it up as we go merrily along.
Goblin Universe, all the way.
There is no "serious" investigation to be done. That's what mystery is for. Can't explain everything, especially to everyone else.
It's why this whole "alien disclosure" thing is the biggest joke ever. And obvious psy-op.
The genetic mind or collective subconscious was effectively fractured last year and up to that point, so we can no longer agree on much of our shared "reality" and the dominant paradigm is still in question for renewal.
A directed front to steer public opinion on PRACTICALLY ANYTHING these days is doomed to failure, thanks to pushing too many narratives last year.
So, whatever the case in the greater so-called "objective reality" (really isn't one), "they" (goodness I hate it when people give power away with such labels) can't admit to aliens or whatever being real, because "they" (we) couldn't steer the narrative to only fear and bad aliens. At this point, we'd have to admit to ALL, and the entire house of cards would come tumbling down.
Might be good to know when to consciously knock it down, before it catches on fire more and explodes...
Beetles and snakes are so much more beautiful that people! Interesting thoughts, my brother!
 
#53
Beetles and snakes are so much more beautiful that people! Interesting thoughts, my brother!
Just sayin.
Why all this unraveling and unveiling? Cause things is fallin apart.
We're in a time where it's increasingly possible for us to manifest whatever reality we choose. Especially with the general lack of cohesion. Loose cannons, rogue operatives, free radicals, ronin.
Goodness knows we can't wait and trust what someone else might think to create for us.
Get out the way!...
 
#54
It's funny... Like all other unknowns in the field awaiting "disclosure" by somebody else.
We're making it up as we go merrily along.
Goblin Universe, all the way.
There is no "serious" investigation to be done. That's what mystery is for. Can't explain everything, especially to everyone else.
It's why this whole "alien disclosure" thing is the biggest joke ever. And obvious psy-op.
The genetic mind or collective subconscious was effectively fractured last year and up to that point, so we can no longer agree on much of our shared "reality" and the dominant paradigm is still in question for renewal.
A directed front to steer public opinion on PRACTICALLY ANYTHING these days is doomed to failure, thanks to pushing too many narratives last year.
So, whatever the case in the greater so-called "objective reality" (really isn't one), "they" (goodness I hate it when people give power away with such labels) can't admit to aliens or whatever being real, because "they" (we) couldn't steer the narrative to only fear and bad aliens. At this point, we'd have to admit to ALL, and the entire house of cards would come tumbling down.
Might be good to know when to consciously knock it down, before it catches on fire more and explodes...
Oh, I think the disclosure we're waiting on has already begun; it's not from mainstream, materialist sources, however. I finally got around to listening to New Thinking Allowed & was favorably impressed. In "Aliens & the Afterlife," Mishlove has a conversation w/ himself about some remarkable NDE research which indicated that 37% of ND experiencers reported various forms of UFOs experience as well. Since USA citizens report NDEs at 5 to 7% of the population, this is a particularly strong association.
In my life, I saw the common form of the zig-zagging light in the night sky outside Abilene, my bro & a close friend saw practically the same UFO two days apart (large, orange disk dumping something at the base of telephone lines) near Abilene, Texas, a number of yogis saw one at Ananda Cooperative Community while I was there. Recently, my wife recalled seeing a 'fireball' take a flattened U-shaped path across the sky as she & her parents lay gazing at the night sky. I could go on for quite a while if I included everything. In short, Ted Owens "space intelligences" seem quite an active bunch.
Another anecdote from Mishlove: W. Strieber reported that while an ET was having sex w/ him, there was discarnate person there watching them. In another one, a group of spirits a medium contacted included a SIS. So, curiousier & curiousier we go, where we stop, nobody knows. At the center of this seems to be an awareness that's 'life's a bitch & then you die' is non-sense. One thing I hear often is that spiritual experiences require a searching openness.
 
#55
Beetles and snakes are so much more beautiful that people! Interesting thoughts, my brother!
Hey, I'm about to start that re-write of "Still Right Here," but I have another one you might like called "The Chaos Box." The protagonist finds a way to use photons to make speed-of-light computers AND invents an invisibility shield AND solves the mystery of why the inhabitants of Machu Picchu disappeared. I also have one called "The Dead Ones," which is a tale how the dead helped solve a murder mystery.
 
#56
Just sayin.
Why all this unraveling and unveiling? Cause things is fallin apart.
We're in a time where it's increasingly possible for us to manifest whatever reality we choose. Especially with the general lack of cohesion. Loose cannons, rogue operatives, free radicals, ronin.
Goodness knows we can't wait and trust what someone else might think to create for us.
Get out the way!...
I agree, brother. The funny thing is that underneath all that freedom is the subterranean prison that is the result of TV, microwaves, and faster foods. I think that the human mind is kind of poisoned and imprisoned as the result of modernity. It seems like the desire for the ultra convenience has lead to the greatest spiritual inconvenience. Granted, I am not about to run to the jungle, shove a bone through my nose, and drink Ayahuasca, but certainly, spiritually, something is missing.
 
#57
Hey, I'm about to start that re-write of "Still Right Here," but I have another one you might like called "The Chaos Box." The protagonist finds a way to use photons to make speed-of-light computers AND invents an invisibility shield AND solves the mystery of why the inhabitants of Machu Picchu disappeared. I also have one called "The Dead Ones," which is a tale how the dead helped solve a murder mystery.
Kim, you inspire me to want to spend more time writing and less time stressing about running in hamster wheels. Thanks man!
 
#58
Kim, you inspire me to want to spend more time writing and less time stressing about running in hamster wheels. Thanks man![/QUOTE
You're welcome! I'll let you know when I've got that rewrite finished.
If you never tried New Thinking Allowed, Jeffrey Mishlove's podcasts, you're really missing something. He has a evidential mediumship interview that was way out there. It even had some high-tech ways of contacting the disincarnate, like the SoulPhone. http://www.nonlocalmind.org/2021/05/15/the-scole-experiment-with-robin-foy/
Another one confirms Tom Zinser's work is clinical psychologist Fiore's interview: The Unquiet Dead:
It kind of gave me the creeps b/c I recall that kind of thing was described by the very old near-death experience of a doctor who was a huge influence on Raymond Moody, M.D. DurIng his NDE, he said he saw spirits hanging around bars & when one man passed out, a spirit attempted to or did manage to get inside the man's aura.
 
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I agree, brother. The funny thing is that underneath all that freedom is the subterranean prison that is the result of TV, microwaves, and faster foods. I think that the human mind is kind of poisoned and imprisoned as the result of modernity. It seems like the desire for the ultra convenience has lead to the greatest spiritual inconvenience. Granted, I am not about to run to the jungle, shove a bone through my nose, and drink Ayahuasca, but certainly, spiritually, something is missing.
And it is to be found WITHIN. Not "out there somewhere".
So nice to have never labored under the misapprehension of otherwise!
Illusions... Delusions... Morass and miasma.
 
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