Rich Giordano, UFO Hoaxes And/Or Ops |550|

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by Alex Tsakiris | Apr 26 | Others
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Rich Giordano is a long-time UFO investigator and the creator and host of GUFON.
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FYI:

Here is the interview where Luis Elizondo admits to having a sock puppet account on twitter (at 34:10):


Here is a clip of Rather B Sqidding talking about it afterward.

 
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FYI:

Here is the interview where Luis Elizondo admits to having a sock puppet account on twitter (at 34:10):


Here is a clip of Rather B Sqidding talking about it from Who's Lue?

I got an interview with lu from UCR next week... see what you think.
 
I got an interview with lu from UCR next week... see what you think.

I noticed that host Luis Jimenez tried to give Luis Elizondo the benefit of the doubt, while Rather B Squidding was not so fond of Elizondo. That could just be Jimenez trying to treat all guests kindly, which isn't unusual for someone wanting to find guests for his show. I've noticed that Elizondo goes on a lot of shows and spends most of the time complaining about UFO Twitter and anyone who dares to question the narrative.

Personally, I'm more trusting of a narrative willing to be poked at a bit, although I do understand it isn't always fun to be the one getting poked.
 
I watched two programs on History Channel's Ancient Aliens on which L. Elizondo appeared. He presented himself as a whistleblower & outsider type & quite concerned about his job as a national security operative. Who are the aliens? What kind of threat do they possibly represent?
I quickly got the feeling he was really out of place on the program & was trying lead ppl away from the remarkable things about UAPs & back to fear. Movie monsters/little green menschen & Whitley Streiber appalling contact stuff.
 
I watched two programs on History Channel's Ancient Aliens on which L. Elizondo appeared. He presented himself as a whistleblower & outsider type & quite concerned about his job as a national security operative. Who are the aliens? What kind of threat do they possibly represent?
I quickly got the feeling he was really out of place on the program & was trying lead ppl away from the remarkable things about UAPs & back to fear. Movie monsters/little green menschen & Whitley Streiber appalling contact stuff.
Yes!
If it feels/sounds like a sales pitch it’s probably a sales pitch.
If it feels/sounds like MKUltra, it’s probably MKUltra.

Genuine inquiry and exploration and discovery sounds/feels very different from a sales pitch or MKUltra. And I think this episode hammered that point home without saying it directly.
 
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I have a few problems with the thought UFO's come from other worlds. Probes launched from Earth to planets/moons within our solar system have so far failed to yield any signs of extra terrestrial life on them. So we are left to consider whether they might be coming from globes further away. If these objects have any mass they are confined to the speed of light, about 300,000km/sec. A snail's pace when dealing with astronomical distances measured in light years. To overcome this confinement they would have to have no mass such as would a Spirit, as does Consciousness. Now they are inter dimensional. Many people who have had near death experiences describe in their stories how they flew past stars and galaxies without any spaceship and fully conscious. In the same way as certain people are able to see ghosts of departed relatives or friends might the same also be able to see touring extra terrestrials?
 
I have a few problems with the thought UFO's come from other worlds. Probes launched from Earth to planets/moons within our solar system have so far failed to yield any signs of extra terrestrial life on them. So we are left to consider whether they might be coming from globes further away. If these objects have any mass they are confined to the speed of light, about 300,000km/sec. A snail's pace when dealing with astronomical distances measured in light years. To overcome this confinement they would have to have no mass such as would a Spirit, as does Consciousness. Now they are inter dimensional. Many people who have had near death experiences describe in their stories how they flew past stars and galaxies without any spaceship and fully conscious. In the same way as certain people are able to see ghosts of departed relatives or friends might the same also be able to see touring extra terrestrials?
Exactly. Ever since our planet got up-to/close-to 1 billion people walking around with HD cameras in their hands, the consistent blurriness of any/all physical/visible UFO sightings can no longer be excused as it could 50-100 years ago. I think we're either dealing with something non-physical, or extra-physical to our current scientific detection.
 
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Longest running speculative topic out there! Except maybe "what's after death of the body?"...
We're all just HUGE Art Bell fans at heart. But quality is hard to come by.
Topic gets SUPER META on the "consciousness" level because it touches on the whole mess of creation and "separation" or individualization. Self versus other. Maybe that's all the grand play and experiment really is. Continual creation of "other".
 
Longest running speculative topic out there! Except maybe "what's after death of the body?"...
We're all just HUGE Art Bell fans at heart. But quality is hard to come by.
Topic gets SUPER META on the "consciousness" level because it touches on the whole mess of creation and "separation" or individualization. Self versus other. Maybe that's all the grand play and experiment really is. Continual creation of "other".
But are we really that separate? My first wife knew exactly when she would be getting a phone call. She would hustle to the telephone and pick up the receiver the very second before it would normally have rung for the first time and begin talking. She always knew who was at the other end as well. It freaked me out a bit at first but I finally accepted the fact that she had exceptional intuition. It's worth adding you don't mess around on a woman like that.
 
But are we really that separate? My first wife knew exactly when she would be getting a phone call. She would hustle to the telephone and pick up the receiver the very second before it would normally have rung for the first time and begin talking. She always knew who was at the other end as well. It freaked me out a bit at first but I finally accepted the fact that she had exceptional intuition. It's worth adding you don't mess around on a woman like that.
We're not. Hence the "illusion". Plus the fun of forums and social media, because we're all different and having different experiences, but people use them as debating or arguing platforms, so... HILARIOUS.
Nope, the switch from the dualistic energy of Pisces which is playing itself out and in its death throes to that of Aquarius, which is not dualistic, will be interesting to behold as they take precedence.
And we tap back into those other senses that we've put in the closet or whatever.
Words will no longer (don't right now, if you spend much time on social media, which I don't) have the superficial and superfluous power and "meaning" so many people THINK they have.
Yee-haw.
 
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But are we really that separate? My first wife knew exactly when she would be getting a phone call. She would hustle to the telephone and pick up the receiver the very second before it would normally have rung for the first time and begin talking. She always knew who was at the other end as well. It freaked me out a bit at first but I finally accepted the fact that she had exceptional intuition. It's worth adding you don't mess around on a woman like that.
I have good hearing, and I notice that our modern (ish) electronic telephone emits a small noise just before it rings. I wonder if your ex was picking that up - I suppose the noise I am aware of lasts for maybe a bit less than half a second, however if she was aware for a longer period, that sounds interesting! Did she regularly call out the name of the person on the other end of the line before answering it?

I suppose it is also possible that I pick up a piece of psychic information -that the phone is about to ring - and my brain rationalises that as a little noise.

Rupert Sheldrake did some research on people who know who is ringing them.

David
 
I have good hearing, and I notice that our modern (ish) electronic telephone emits a small noise just before it rings. I wonder if your ex was picking that up - I suppose the noise I am aware of lasts for maybe a bit less than half a second, however if she was aware for a longer period, that sounds interesting! Did she regularly call out the name of the person on the other end of the line before answering it?

I suppose it is also possible that I pick up a piece of psychic information -that the phone is about to ring - and my brain rationalises that as a little noise.

Rupert Sheldrake did some research on people who know who is ringing them.

David
Aside from her sharp intuitive sense she had no other way of knowing a call was coming, She could be at the other end of the house from where our dial phone was. (This goes back to the 1970's). For her to also know who was calling... I began to reason that once she got to know someone she somehow made a (Binding?) psychic connection with that person. Distance was no obstacle. Her good friend Yvonne lived 70 miles away yet she would catch the phone before it rang even once. She explained that she couldn't stand to hear it ringing. Admittedly, phones rang louder back then. It's kind of nice that some of us have extra sensory abilities. Many probably know someone who can divine water, in other words sense aqua-firs. Drilling a well is more rewarding if water is found.
 
I have a few problems with the thought UFO's come from other worlds. Probes launched from Earth to planets/moons within our solar system have so far failed to yield any signs of extra terrestrial life on them. So we are left to consider whether they might be coming from globes further away. If these objects have any mass they are confined to the speed of light, about 300,000km/sec. A snail's pace when dealing with astronomical distances measured in light years. To overcome this confinement they would have to have no mass such as would a Spirit, as does Consciousness. Now they are inter dimensional. Many people who have had near death experiences describe in their stories how they flew past stars and galaxies without any spaceship and fully conscious. In the same way as certain people are able to see ghosts of departed relatives or friends might the same also be able to see touring extra terrestrials?
Whether ETs have physical bodies is a fact to some, such as Whitley Streiber, who says he's had sex w/ them. Remote Viewing has revealed to Pat Price that ETs have many bases on the Earth; a current investigation of one of these is The Skinwalker Ranch series on the History Channel. To sum it up, watch the Utube videos, such as this one
& Is the Moon Hollow? Beyond Moon observations & NASA experiments measuring moon quakes, there are the amazing references in ancient scriptures & oral traditions that refer to "the time before the Moon."
I definitely agree w/ an alien existence on another dimensional level. I was never so perplexed to learn when I was reading dozens of NDE accounts that ETs were in them! Then I came across mediums who counted them among the contacts "from across the Veil." What the hell? Next they'll be someone saying fairies & nature spirits are real. Sure enough! Watch "Realms of Non-Human Intelligence..."
Finally, I've always been fascinated by the disappearance of ppl whose remains were never found & why this is often linked to the same locations, like Mt. Shasta & areas high in the mountains that are feared & warned about by Native Americans. Of course, don't forget the Bermuda Triangle, etc. Here we're likely dealing w/ portals that allow physical being access to other dimensions. A few of the ppl who disappeared but came back reported a lengthy stay but were gone from Earth for short periods. The truth is out there & inside as well!
 
But are we really that separate? My first wife knew exactly when she would be getting a phone call. She would hustle to the telephone and pick up the receiver the very second before it would normally have rung for the first time and begin talking. She always knew who was at the other end as well. It freaked me out a bit at first but I finally accepted the fact that she had exceptional intuition. It's worth adding you don't mess around on a woman like that.
I knew a family that learned a technique to use telepathy to contact each other so they wouldn't have to call or write. I never pursued it b/c nice ppl, but come on! I wish I had now!
 
Exactly. Ever since our planet got up-to/close-to 1 billion people walking around with HD cameras in their hands, the consistent blurriness of any/all physical/visible UFO sightings can no longer be excused as it could 50-100 years ago. I think we're either dealing with something non-physical, or extra-physical to our current scientific detection.
The thing about the UFO phenomenon is that it has always tended to mirror the worldview of the experiencers, on an individual, cultural, and even to some extent, a technological level. So we shouldn't be too surprised to see UFOs exhibiting characteristics like stealth and active camouflage. I imagine that they've had such tech all along, but just haven't needed it as much until the Modern Era in ufology began in 1947.
 
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Aside from her sharp intuitive sense she had no other way of knowing a call was coming, She could be at the other end of the house from where our dial phone was. (This goes back to the 1970's). For her to also know who was calling... I began to reason that once she got to know someone she somehow made a (Binding?) psychic connection with that person. Distance was no obstacle. Her good friend Yvonne lived 70 miles away yet she would catch the phone before it rang even once. She explained that she couldn't stand to hear it ringing. Admittedly, phones rang louder back then. It's kind of nice that some of us have extra sensory abilities. Many probably know someone who can divine water, in other words sense aqua-firs. Drilling a well is more rewarding if water is found.
Aside from her sharp intuitive sense she had no other way of knowing a call was coming, She could be at the other end of the house from where our dial phone was. (This goes back to the 1970's). For her to also know who was calling... I began to reason that once she got to know someone she somehow made a (Binding?) psychic connection with that person. Distance was no obstacle. Her good friend Yvonne lived 70 miles away yet she would catch the phone before it rang even once. She explained that she couldn't stand to hear it ringing. Admittedly, phones rang louder back then. It's kind of nice that some of us have extra sensory abilities. Many probably know someone who can divine water, in other words sense aqua-firs. Drilling a well is more rewarding if water is found.

I am fairly sure some psychic phenomena are real. Sifting through possible conventional explanations helps to intensify that conviction if none of them fit.

Have your wife and Yvonne tried any actual psychic experiments - such as conventional ESP?

David
 
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I got an interview with lu from UCR next week... see what you think.
I do wish you had gone into more detail on some of the people you had disagreed about with Rich. You did a pretty good quick overview of James Randi and why you found his credibility questionable. I wish Rich could have done the same thing for people like Whitley Strieber, Richard Dolan, the Bledsoe family etc. And could you clarify what recently came out with the Travis Walton case?

Rich doesn't seem very comfortable with psychic stuff, despite getting good results with remote viewing. He reminds me of Ray Hyman who agreed that there was a measurable effect, but he wouldn't go so far as to admit to psi.
 
I thought Rich came across as quite a skeptic. I don't know his shows and might try and check them out (goof on?) but I felt his cynicism about the consciousness angle and potential connection to Ufology wasn't coming from an evidence based place just personal experience. He literally said he tried for four years to summon aliens and nothing came to visit him! I found that quite funny. Maybe you're not the chosen one Rich. I understand the need and desire to pursue factual evidence based Ufology obviously, I just think he wasn't as clued up on all related topics.
 
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