Great show. This is EXACTLY why i love Skeptiko! This is where i want to see the 9/11 story go. I've so badly wanted a "level 3" 9/11 discussion and i finally see it going in that direction.
The question of 911's effect on mass consciousness is so interesting. As far as i am concerned the spiritual or other wordly component of the event is undeniable. I consider the pre-cognitive trickle of world trade center attacks or the date and numbers 9/11 into popular culture and mass media preceeding the event (the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen
and Back 2 the Future
being seminal examples) as strong evidance to suggest there is something much larger and perhaps spookier at play with the events of Sept. 11th.
9/11 (and just about everything else) can be seen through the eyes of several types of people. Level one, the general population, probably view it much the same as they do ET and UFOs; not even on their radar. The general population dosnt consider them to be significant. Level two believes there is something there. Building 7, free fall speed, nano thermite etc are much like the nuts and bolts obsessed ufo community. Then there is a much smaller third group that sees them (9/11 ET UFO )for what they are; significant events and componets of our reality interacting with and effected by other worldly forces which manifest themselves in our reality in profound ways.
Well, now we've gone off the deep end :).
It might be helpful to divide this into two (related) phenomenon. The first is mundane and understandable to a good degree. The Pentagon, CIA and a host of other entities 'partner' with Hollywood and use film and other mediums to influence the minds of the public. I particularly like the work of Tom Secker has done on this topic, in his book
National Security Cinema and on his podcast. He cautions that the reasons why these narratives appear may not be obvious, and that foreshadows of conspiracies may be interjected
in a way that is deliberately misleading. I am also convinced that conspiracy theory plays a role in the cover up of State crimes.
This might account for
The Lone Gunman episode (although we simply don't know), but then we go off the deep end into with your
Back to the Future video.
I must be honest, I really have no idea where to even start with this. In addition to the video you posted I also watched the
Back to the Future Secret Symbolism Myths & Archetypes one. It's excellent, totally compelling that the films contain references to Greek mythology and the battle between Zeus and Chronos. And indeed why wouldn't it! As the 9/11 video went on I found it more and more compelling, but utterly mystifying!
It leads me to a contradiction. I would have to believe that such a level of symbolism has been consciously placed, it cannot have arisen solely from some deep aspect of the mind unconsciously creeping through. But I cannot believe such symbolism could have been consciously placed. I can't see how anyone in 1985 could have knowledge of 9/11 (obviously).
What I have trouble with is marrying this seemingly high level of order with the apparent randomness of life. The The Trade Centres themselves, we are led to believe, nearly came crashing down on February 26th 1993, when Ramzi Yousef bombed them*. Had he used a bigger bomb or placed it differently one would could have fallen on the other causing tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths. Would we then be seeing 02/26 symbolism in films? Indeed the Citibank building in Manhattan nearly fell down due to a design flaw (people in the Truth movement talk about it as
it was covertly retrofitted) in what would have been potentially a bigger disaster than 9/11.
It's worth noting also that the CIA backed coup that overthrew Salvador Allende in Chile happened on September 11th 1973, George H.W. Bush made his New World Order speech on September 11th 1990, and the Berlin Wall came down on 9th November 1989, making that 9/11 in the European style of writing.
So what do you think is going on here? Is there a secret order that has foreknowledge of world events years in advance and symbolises them in films. Is there a collective unconscious working through writers? Are there non-human entities channelling warnings to us (which next to no one picks up on) through writers? Does this only occur in big budget films? If we were to analysis ten years of Skeptiko episodes would we find symbolic codes that Alex was unaware of?
These are the questions I would love to be asking (in a way that doesn't drive me insane or just lead round in circles), but it's very difficult to know where to start.
* I am aware there is a deeper story to the 93 bombing.