Richard Smoley, Does Magic Work? |495|

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I'm the Hulkster of the common sense world of the supernatural , not this "mumbo jumbo" Harry Potter want to be bullshit! But I do love
Harry Potter ;) Hey. after six RAR Nanticoke Nectar's everyone's both lol, quantum entangled beer ! But I love Kim over there in the far east! she or he is GREAT!

I'll say this about magic; the best common sense interview Alex has done IMO is the one with the Quantum Computer Scientist. His take on quantum physics , extra dimensions, and consciousness IMO is magic and is the basics for everything supernatural from: Quantum Computers, to Ghosts, to life after death and what I call mental magic . I had experiences with this that scared me; there's a book out I read on it called mental magic too, check it our but be careful about it. I had some bad stuff happen before good. I put it down and went back to praying to god and letting god handle that part. I did email Dean Radin about my experiences with this form of magic and he warned me too and concurred this could happen, bad before good things happen. I guess this is why Black Magicians die young if you believe that magic!

So yea I believe in magic that could alter your reality though thought and quantum science, but just for you. People who want to put spells on people bad or good are just fractured insecure people that want to feel powerful, much like the skinny wormy IT gurus ; that was my beef with the author ; I didn't think he had much real evidence besides handed down hearsay. Let me say too: people like Alister Crowley are SCUM! Now go find some RAR IPA's , that's another form of magic all together too :)
 
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I'm the Hulkster of the common sense world of the supernatural , not this "mumbo jumbo" Harry Potter want to be bullshit! But I do love
Harry Potter ;) Hey. after six RAR Nanticoke Nectar's everyone's both lol, quantum entangled beer ! But I love Kim over there in the far east! she or he is GREAT!

I'll say this about magic; the best common sense interview Alex has done IMO is the one with the Quantum Computer Scientist. His take on quantum physics , extra dimensions, and consciousness IMO is magic and is the basics for everything supernatural from: Quantum Computers, to Ghosts, to life after death and what I call mental magic . I had experiences with this that scared me; there's a book out I read on it called mental magic too, check it our but be careful about it. I had some bad stuff happen before good. I put it down and went back to praying to god and letting god handle that part. I did email Dean Radin about my experiences with this form of magic and he warned me too and concurred this could happen, bad before good things happen. I guess this is why Black Magicians die young if you believe that magic!

So yea I believe in magic that could alter your reality though thought and quantum science, but just for you. People who want to put spells on people bad or good are just fractured insecure people that want to feel powerful, much like the skinny wormy IT gurus ; that was my beef with the author ; I didn't think he had much real evidence besides handed down hearsay. Let me say too: people like Alister Crowley are SCUM! Now go find some RAR IPA's , that's another form of magic all together too :)
Yeah it's all good. Is my fault. I didn't see Kim as a threat so didn't consider things too much. Now am trying to adjust the mental picture i've formed and salami and two veg keeps on dropping in. All good i think it's sorted now. Maybe there could be box to tick? Male, Female and an empty box for people to write what they want if they so choose. Is not fair to talk to men online and pretend to be a woman. Am laughing but people can get spun out from that kind of thing. I never talk to blokes the way i do women
 
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Yes, I think so. I pissed Kim off a while back by telling him I like the name Kimberly, and asked him why he would shorten it to "Kim." He reminded me that Kim is his name, and he is a man. It's all good, he is a smart dude and I enjoy his posts. Also, I am sure that Atone does ad an entertaining, pro-wrestling vibe to the forum. So hopefully, that answers both questions.
 
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I'm the Hulkster of the common sense world of the supernatural , not this "mumbo jumbo" Harry Potter want to be bullshit! But I do love
Harry Potter ;) Hey. after six RAR Nanticoke Nectar's everyone's both lol, quantum entangled beer ! But I love Kim over there in the far east! she or he is GREAT!

I'll say this about magic; the best common sense interview Alex has done IMO is the one with the Quantum Computer Scientist. His take on quantum physics , extra dimensions, and consciousness IMO is magic and is the basics for everything supernatural from: Quantum Computers, to Ghosts, to life after death and what I call mental magic . I had experiences with this that scared me; there's a book out I read on it called mental magic too, check it our but be careful about it. I had some bad stuff happen before good. I put it down and went back to praying to god and letting god handle that part. I did email Dean Radin about my experiences with this form of magic and he warned me too and concurred this could happen, bad before good things happen. I guess this is why Black Magicians die young if you believe that magic!

So yea I believe in magic that could alter your reality though thought and quantum science, but just for you. People who want to put spells on people bad or good are just fractured insecure people that want to feel powerful, much like the skinny wormy IT gurus ; that was my beef with the author ; I didn't think he had much real evidence besides handed down hearsay. Let me say too: people like Alister Crowley are SCUM! Now go find some RAR IPA's , that's another form of magic all together too :)
Listen here Atone, BROTHER, I hear ya about all this magic shit and how it can trample you down underneath horse hooves that you wish were wearing shoes, BROTHER! Also, BROTHER, Kim knows how to saddle a horse, side or standard, BROTHER!

I am happy that you took that trip across that river of Styx, BROTHER, on your mental magic escapade to see what the heck is out there! You know as well as I do, saying prayers, taking vitamins, and training are what we are all about, BROTHER. Not all black magicians die young, either, except in the movies, BROTHER, especially the scary ones.

You are not going to find me hobnobbing with Alister Crowley and Antoine Levey, BROTHER, or any other spineless coward that doesn't have the decency to throw their raincoat over a puddle in the crosswalk for any grandmother to walk across during a storm.

WATCH YOU ALL GOING TO DO, WHEN SHANETHETHINKER, AND ATONE, RUN WILD ON YOU!!!!!
 
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Yeah it's all good. Is my fault. I didn't see Kim as a threat so didn't consider things too much. Now am trying to adjust the mental picture i've formed and salami and two veg keeps on dropping in. All good i think it's sorted now. Maybe there could be box to tick? Male, Female and an empty box for people to write what they want if they so choose. Is not fair to talk to men online and pretend to be a woman. Am laughing but people can get spun out from that kind of thing. I never talk to blokes the way i do women
Kim is a cool a cool bloke! This sounds like you were in the movie, "The Crying Game." Did you ever see that?
 
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I think I get your point but remember that we live in a science center world that doesn't believe it is possible to outsource evil. I would suggest that this level of professed ignorance/deception is not accidental.
Back in Constantanoble , many many years ago the bible was radically altered ..social engineered. Can not be argued -this happened- period. Just one example.
So given that historically we have prove of engineering what has changed in the basic fundamental psyche of mankind that would lead us to believe that the powerful are any different then were way back then. Your aurguement.
Further- more we have proofs now that this is the case, Steinmen.

It seems a tight argument. Although I find myself on the fence. But Why?
How could there be such a vast conspiracy. Times have changed after all, have they not?

Reflecting on this the one possibility lies in the University system. The Carrot.
All the good horses need to be in the barn. Life is good- lots to eat, warm and dry.
'Look at all those outsider's scrambling for a tuff of grass ,cold and wet, chased around by lions.
Basically close your eyes , do what your told, we'll take care of you.
 
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Sheesh, Atone. I wish I was as certain as this subject as you are. I think magic is that area of "supernormal abilities" that various mystics & sages warn us about. Li Hongzhi says that using supernormal powers are forbidden for its disruptive influence among everyday people, i.e., common people. Those who do use them lose a lot of virtue (positive energy or white substance) while potentially incurring karma. I think that's part of the influence that leads to that saying of Richard's: magicians aren't all old; they just look that way. (paraphrased). In the same general area, Li forbids his devotees from doing healing work b/c of the potential for healing someone at the expense of taking on their karma or black substance. I agree w/ you that more discussion of magic would have been nice, but then who would have bought his book if he told all?
I think it is important to be deeply invested and involved in magic consciously. I also believe that is your only freedom of choice. Otherwise, you are simply wrapped up and invested in the magic of another.
 
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I'd love to dive back into this topic if you'd be willing to help set up an interview.
I would love to learn more about this from someone who really knows. I've asked a lot of ACIM followers, and they are unaware of this information. I even wrote to Richard Smoley, but I never heard back. I'm glad to help in any way I can to set up an interview. I wouldn't know where to begin doing that.
 
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Listen here Atone, BROTHER, I hear ya about all this magic shit and how it can trample you down underneath horse hooves that you wish were wearing shoes, BROTHER! Also, BROTHER, Kim knows how to saddle a horse, side or standard, BROTHER!

I am happy that you took that trip across that river of Styx, BROTHER, on your mental magic escapade to see what the heck is out there! You know as well as I do, saying prayers, taking vitamins, and training are what we are all about, BROTHER. Not all black magicians die young, either, except in the movies, BROTHER, especially the scary ones.

You are not going to find me hobnobbing with Alister Crowley and Antoine Levey, BROTHER, or any other spineless coward that doesn't have the decency to throw their raincoat over a puddle in the crosswalk for any grandmother to walk across during a storm.

WATCH YOU ALL GOING TO DO, WHEN SHANETHETHINKER, AND ATONE, RUN WILD ON YOU!!!!!
Bro. saying prayers is a magical act! As for that phony baloney Jew Satanists Levey! All fake my Brother! Same with Crowley , he made everything up, the great evil bullshit artist he was! To bad someone didn't throw him off that fucking mountain while mountain climbing back in the day though Bro! :) Kim could be my supernatural wrestling manager any day; put on a pair of man pants a bra and slick back your hair like Don Johnson on Miami Vice, great stuff! I know the Macho Man is in heaven too bro, loved him. Maybe Alex can get a fake medium on and try to contact him. I'm sure he's back with Miss Elizabeth too in the spirt world :)
 
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Bro. saying prayers is a magical act! As for that phony baloney Jew Satanists Levey! All fake my Brother! Same with Crowley , he made everything up, the great evil bullshit artist he was! To bad someone didn't throw him off that fucking mountain while mountain climbing back in the day though Bro! :) Kim could be my supernatural wrestling manager any day; put on a pair of man pants a bra and slick back your hair like Don Johnson on Miami Vice, great stuff! I know the Macho Man is in heaven too bro, loved him. Maybe Alex can get a fake medium on and try to contact him. I'm sure he's back with Miss Elizabeth too in the spirt world :)
HAHA MAN! Maybe Antoine was a hook nosed, Jew Satanist, but he did try to make life a little more fun in his own way. Also, I am sure that Crowley wouldn't have sold shit without all these rock stars singing about him. Wasn't he a rich boy? I don't think Antoine was a rich boy. Also, isn't Antoine' real name Howard?

I think it is important to not judge people. I am not a Christian, but agree with Jesus about that. Inevitably, we end up judging each other all the time. All of us are always judging each other. I think it is important to stop judging others if we are to become free. If we should become free, we need to learn to encourage and appreciate one another. This is not easy to do. If we don't learn to encourage and appreciate each other, the future is bleak, and hell on earth will come.
 
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Bro I don't judge I just IMO call a spade a spade!!! We all have our opinions , and if see something that's obvious a rip-off or some rip-off
that promotes it I'm calling it out ,even in myself . Yea, Crowley's dad owned a Brewery , and when he passed Crowley got it and pissed it away.

To be balanced ,Crowley was a orthodox strict Christian with his dad, and when his dad passed Alister went crazy and went to the extreme left
there magic wise . He was a smart guy, great writer , chess player, and world class bullshit artists and fucking con man! He made all that shit up IMO and dabbled in stuff he thought looked cool at the time like yoga, golden dawn free masons etc …. he was like the evil hippie of his time and like the 1960's people were attracted to it. My beef with people like him is when they on purpose -for self centered and evil reasons -fuck peoples life's up, cause people to die ,and do stupid shit like sacrifice animals etc …. then I have a issue with that.

To be honest some Jewish sects practiced the real thing though , blood libel. That is fact and did happen up to the 1950's here in the USA and a lot in mid-evil times ; they would actually sacrifice a child; the better if Christian and the rabbi would use the blood for magical purposes. Of course the ADL etc … denies this but it did happen on around Passover . Yea Levey was really an atheists, but people like that are control freaks and like Crowley he got a few celebrity's and a following, like Janes Mansfield Sammy Davis Jr etc … so I guess he has his fun got a bit of women and lived it up as a Satanist.
 
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Bro I don't judge I just IMO call a spade a spade!!! We all have our opinions , and if see something that's obvious a rip-off or some rip-off
that promotes it I'm calling it out ,even in myself . Yea, Crowley's dad owned a Brewery , and when he passed Crowley got it and pissed it away.

To be balanced ,Crowley was a orthodox strict Christian with his dad, and when his dad passed Alister went crazy and went to the extreme left
there magic wise . He was a smart guy, great writer , chess player, and world class bullshit artists and fucking con man! He made all that shit up IMO and dabbled in stuff he thought looked cool at the time like yoga, golden dawn free masons etc …. he was like the evil hippie of his time and like the 1960's people were attracted to it. My beef with people like him is when they on purpose -for self centered and evil reasons -fuck peoples life's up, cause people to die ,and do stupid shit like sacrifice animals etc …. then I have a issue with that.

To be honest some Jewish sects practiced the real thing though , blood libel. That is fact and did happen up to the 1950's here in the USA and a lot in mid-evil times ; they would actually sacrifice a child; the better if Christian and the rabbi would use the blood for magical purposes. Of course the ADL etc … denies this but it did happen on around Passover . Yea Levey was really an atheists, but people like that are control freaks and like Crowley he got a few celebrity's and a following, like Janes Mansfield Sammy Davis Jr etc … so I guess he has his fun got a bit of women and lived it up as a Satanist.
I am not sure of any of it, my friend. As soon is anything hits the media, or what people call the "collective subconscious," bullshit has free reign. I don't believe in the "collective subconscious," and I am not an idealist nor a Christian. Also, I think that a lot of "conspiracy theorists" are addicted to the thought of conspiracy, more than they are genuinely wanting to find out if conspiracies actually exist.

I don't care much about Crowley or Antoine Levey. These are just a couple of idiots that lived and died. Hopefully they had a good time in the process. I am not fascinated by them at all. What is crazy is how Jewish practices, like circumcision, actually exist to this day. This is chopping parts of baby's cocks off, and it is considered normal. That is incredulous to me. This is worse than barbaric and yet it is considered medically acceptable.
 
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The Jews still practice animal sacrifice, its killed Kosher food and for Passover. Some Rabbis will suck the blood of the babies penis too after circumcision. Most are lost souls.
Check it out , sick fcks they are!

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/herpes-strikes-nyc-babies-ritual-circumcisions/story?id=18890284

When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b'peh. Metzitzah b'peh is when the mohel uses his mouth to suck blood away from the baby's circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b'peh, some babies can get an infection.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...on-their-way-to-being-sacrificed-in-jerusalem
 
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I would love to learn more about this from someone who really knows. I've asked a lot of ACIM followers, and they are unaware of this information. I even wrote to Richard Smoley, but I never heard back. I'm glad to help in any way I can to set up an interview. I wouldn't know where to begin doing that.
I emailed robert perry about this. he makes a very solid, well-reasoned, unemotional case for non-conspiracy.

this guy ( joe) goes even further.

Regarding Conspiracy Rumors about Dr. William Thetford, the CIA and
A Course in Miracles

By Joe R. Jesseph, Ph.D.
http://www.miraclestudies.net/BillCIA.html


-- I really like shows presentation in this article. I like that he fully embraces the MKUltra stuff... and then goes level 3 to remind us that a ton of good and honest people could easily be wrongfully accused of being part of the nastiest. I think his argument makes a lot of sense. if you're a psychologist scrounging around for money it would be very easy to find yourself working in an mk-ultra program of the kind he describes.

I also appreciated his sketching out of the personalities involved. if he's right, and I have no reason to think he's not, it would be easy to see how we could all go for the "helen got mind-controlled" by her MKUltra partner.

definitely not saying this has to be the final word on this... but in this burden of proof game that we keep talking about I think it shifts the burden back to those who claim it's a conspiracy.

-- on the other hand, of course, we have to deal with the content and the stuff about jesus. but I really think that's an entirely different discussion. I don't think we can assume that all channels material referencing jesus is part of an MK ultra project.
 
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the burden back to those who claim it's a conspiracy
I believe it is a fact that Thetford was a CIA agent involved with MK Ultra using drugs and researching Personality Theory.

I'd love to hear an interview of the priest who is written about in the article that contains this quote:

From his [Father Benedict Groeschel] point of view, A Course in Miracles served to undermine authentic Christianity more effectively than just about any other work he could recall, and while he was inclined to reject the position of St. John of the Cross that "these things are diabolical unless proven otherwise," doubts had crept in over the years. Most troubling to him by far was the "black hole of rage and depression that Schucman fell into during the last two years of her life," the priest explained. She had become frightening to be with, Groeschel recalled, spewing psychotic hatred not only for A Course in Miracles but "for all things spiritual." When he sat at Schucman's bedside as she lay dying, "she cursed, in the coarsest barroom language you could imagine, `that book, that goddamn book.' She said it was the worst thing that ever happened to her. I mean, she raised the hair on the back of my neck.

The Making of 'A Course in Miracles'
A Catholic priest recounts the mysterious spiritual journey of 'A Course in Miracles' scribe Helen Schucman.

The Making of 'A Course in Miracles'--Catholic priest Benedict Groeschel remembers Helen Schucman - Beliefnet

Chris Ott's Blog: Course In Miracles and the CIA (meherbabathoughts.blogspot.com)

excerpt:
Dr. William Thetford, co-scribe of the book, co-headed the CIA’s “Mind Control” MK-ULTRA SubProject 130: Personality Theory, while at Columbia University, between 1971 and 1978. ... Thetford’s Professional Bio, also available on the A Course in Miracles web site, makes reference to his involvement in a Personality Theory Research Project while Professor of Medical Psychology at Columbia University, but the information does not specifically cite this as a CIA MK-ULTRA SubProject – an omission we would expect to find. When we check dates, it is clear that A Course in Miracles was written in the middle of this project’s existence. The next question should therefore be whether it was part of this project. After all, the project addresses “personality theory” and the Course tackles how heal the personality.
 
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#38
Sounds like a whack job!!!! That Catholic faith is a true magical consciousness contact the with the god outside time and space and does have occult insights! Its the best thing in the world of magic really if you take out the Vatican and the child molesting queer priests .
 
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