Riz Virk, Computer Science Eats Science |524|

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A few months back I listened to about 100 episodes of the Near Death Experience Podcast with Chris Hathaway.
One thing has stuck out to me very sharply which has me skeptically averse to the ideas of multiverse and the reincarnation. A concern was stated about the amount of people who lived as Cleopatra in a past life.
This simple idea helps me define my sense to lean very hard toward the assumption that any past life or multiverse experience should most easily be explained as an experience, rather than automatically affording it the indescribably large extrapolation needed to earn the label "evidence" of another life or another realm.

Example: I have a friend who while on DMT lived another life in the DMTverse for about 30-40 years, got married had kids, long memories.. then when he popped back into this reality he said he went through abandonment issues from losing the family he had in the DMTverse.
Now, just because his DMTverse life was experienced as "real" the same way we understand real, doesn't mean it occurred a in a realm like ours, which assumes exclusion of probably 1000s other possibilities such as: dream, vision, unlocked memory, suppressed memory, coping mechanism, remote viewing of someone else's dream, remote viewing of someone else's memory, remote viewing a life happening in another star system somewhere, or even playback of a recorded experience on some universal computer memory drive...
Again, unlimited possibilities as to What could explain the multiverse or reincarnation syndromes, for which the lowest hanging fruit is "it's one of my multiple lives". What a show stopper of a conclusion?!? I mean, it's awesome to explore it, but by no means does "it makes sense" equal an end-all explanation for these syndromes.

Twisting the knife:
If our realm is simulated there's no reason to assume it was created any longer than 2 seconds ago. Everything you see around you, including the history books, your family, friends, all of your memories, dinosaur bones, space.... ALL OF IT, could have magically appeared at the flick of the "ON" switch two seconds ago.

The only reason I believe we live in a Created Universe (non-computer simulated) is because of spiritual experience and belief.
The only reason I don't believe we'll ever prove What our existence is, is because i believe it was created by a omnipotent being who decided not to leave behind any bread crumbs. Again, this is just my belief.
 
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yes, daily :) my main yoga influences at the moment are mickey singer and wim hoff.
Nice. I practice Kriya daily as well. I have been doing some Wim Hof like breathing before the SRF practices which has really made the SRF stuff more powerful. Been working through the Presence Process from Michael Brown. It has me practicing his breath technique for 15 then I go into my SRF routine.

I had a loss of faith with the SRF techniques after several years. During an ayahuasca ceremony my intention was to know if I'm on the right path. I came into contact with what Jung calls a "God image" of 3 stars. The middle star I communicated my intention. It telepathically communicated back "Why does it matter what words you choose to study if you always know the One exists?"

So I stuck with the SRF techniques because of that experience and contemplating the "digging a well" metaphor when it comes to spiritual paths. It has been a fruitful path for me.

I'll stop rambling. Thank you for your time and efforts.
 
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The life review is probably a more significant piece of evidence of a broader type of life after death than even veridical reports as the life review indicates a feedback loop... which means things loop back around for another try. The purpose of feedback is to improve the ability to achieve a goal... which means "you" get another shot at mastering an environment / problem set or one similar to the one you're in now.

Haven't finished yet, but am enjoying the guest with his AI / game programmer perspective. Technology provides mirrors to see reality and self from new angles.
 
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Question at the end: what do you think about the multi-verse?

There is one line of thinking that makes the multi-verse unpalatable because with all possibilities realized then free-will is an illusion because the choice you make at this moment is just a random pick of all the choices you do realize in other timelines.

I like how Riz makes a distinction between possibility and realization or "rendering"... that is one way to deal with this free-will issue.

Another way to think of it... look around you. What do you see? There are practically an infinite number of ways to describe what you see and there are practically an infinite number details you could choose to focus on.

How do we observe an infinity and gather something finite from it? We need a goal - a purpose. A goal subtracts things irrelevant to achievement of that goal. So when you look around you your neural network which has been initiated with training data based on what is useful for this or that task... when you look around, you will see edges, and handles, and tools and spaces with which you may interact. Your symbolizing of reality is grounded in use.

So just as you are now surrounded by an infinity from which you subtract to the essentials in achieving some goal, the multi-verse is an infinity from which we choose a path most relevant to a particular goal that the Soul is trying to achieve at the moment.

All of reality is a nested network of goals and agents attempting to achieve goals, and these efforts create the environments in which even more agents find themselves attempting to achieve goals. Goals within goals and souls within souls... all the way down.
 
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Nice. I practice Kriya daily as well. I have been doing some Wim Hof like breathing before the SRF practices which has really made the SRF stuff more powerful. Been working through the Presence Process from Michael Brown. It has me practicing his breath technique for 15 then I go into my SRF routine.

I had a loss of faith with the SRF techniques after several years. During an ayahuasca ceremony my intention was to know if I'm on the right path. I came into contact with what Jung calls a "God image" of 3 stars. The middle star I communicated my intention. It telepathically communicated back "Why does it matter what words you choose to study if you always know the One exists?"

So I stuck with the SRF techniques because of that experience and contemplating the "digging a well" metaphor when it comes to spiritual paths. It has been a fruitful path for me.

I'll stop rambling. Thank you for your time and efforts.
Have you ever wondered who came up the idea of punishing apostasy? Why would someone be punished for leaving a spiritual practice that he/she no longer found fulfilling? I think it's a twisted version of punishing a lack of commitment. Staying the course has its benefits. Like marriage vows, staying true to all the things that are brought up: "forsaking all others (fidelity), in sickness & in health, for richer or poorer (unconditional love), & so on.
One theme that comes up often w/ Eben Alexander & Karen Newell's Question & Answer sessions in the Inner Sanctum webinars is the gift of disease or suffering in any form. I've learned a lot of his history: put for adoption at 11 days old, alcohol addiction struggle, & of course a fatal brain infection that he miraculously survived. What I get from all that is he's serious about looking at the suffering as what it is: that part of life that makes it hard to master though easy to learn, like a really good computer game.
What is hidden between the two of them is just as instructive. Eben gradually got away from being so puffed up about HIS NDE, like it made him so sort of demi-god, which is true on one level. Over time, he even became a bit of a knave to Karen; I think he was compensating for all that superiority of his being a neurosurgeon, a white man, a miracle NDEr.
One session was particularly instructive: they conducted it from separate locations in the same house, explaining it as a measure to reduce exposure to a COVID carrier while in town. But knowing them by video over all this time, it was obvious they'd had some major fight & it really wouldn't fly to have them sitting side-by-side in front of the computer as they usually did. Just two gifted ppl who were forging on in their efforts to communicate love & its ramifications, even when they weren't feeling all that loving.
 

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Nice. I practice Kriya daily as well. I have been doing some Wim Hof like breathing before the SRF practices which has really made the SRF stuff more powerful. Been working through the Presence Process from Michael Brown. It has me practicing his breath technique for 15 then I go into my SRF routine.

I had a loss of faith with the SRF techniques after several years. During an ayahuasca ceremony my intention was to know if I'm on the right path. I came into contact with what Jung calls a "God image" of 3 stars. The middle star I communicated my intention. It telepathically communicated back "Why does it matter what words you choose to study if you always know the One exists?"

So I stuck with the SRF techniques because of that experience and contemplating the "digging a well" metaphor when it comes to spiritual paths. It has been a fruitful path for me.

I'll stop rambling. Thank you for your time and efforts.
awesome... just to be clear... and because you're a yogi and will understand... I've rolled SRF into my own practice that might seem unrecognizable to strict adherents :) so I wouldn't want to say that I do "Kriya"

But then it sounds like you understand all this at a much deeper level... loved: "Why does it matter what words you choose to study if you always know the One exists?"
 

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The life review is probably a more significant piece of evidence of a broader type of life after death than even veridical reports as the life review indicates a feedback loop... which means things loop back around for another try. The purpose of feedback is to improve the ability to achieve a goal... which means "you" get another shot at mastering an environment / problem set or one similar to the one you're in now.

Haven't finished yet, but am enjoying the guest with his AI / game programmer perspective. Technology provides mirrors to see reality and self from new angles.
nice!
 

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#11
Question at the end: what do you think about the multi-verse?

There is one line of thinking that makes the multi-verse unpalatable because with all possibilities realized then free-will is an illusion because the choice you make at this moment is just a random pick of all the choices you do realize in other timelines.

I like how Riz makes a distinction between possibility and realization or "rendering"... that is one way to deal with this free-will issue.

Another way to think of it... look around you. What do you see? There are practically an infinite number of ways to describe what you see and there are practically an infinite number details you could choose to focus on.

How do we observe an infinity and gather something finite from it? We need a goal - a purpose. A goal subtracts things irrelevant to achievement of that goal. So when you look around you your neural network which has been initiated with training data based on what is useful for this or that task... when you look around, you will see edges, and handles, and tools and spaces with which you may interact. Your symbolizing of reality is grounded in use.

So just as you are now surrounded by an infinity from which you subtract to the essentials in achieving some goal, the multi-verse is an infinity from which we choose a path most relevant to a particular goal that the Soul is trying to achieve at the moment.

All of reality is a nested network of goals and agents attempting to achieve goals, and these efforts create the environments in which even more agents find themselves attempting to achieve goals. Goals within goals and souls within souls... all the way down.
I'm thinking of this in connection with your " life review feedback loop" comment above. I'm not sure I understand how a multiverse paradigm fits with what we think we know about the nde experience... then again, I suppose it's a matter of how strictly follow the multiverse dogma.

I mean, it does seem like some kind of multi timeline play/ simulation/ dream is going on.
 
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I'm thinking of this in connection with your " life review feedback loop" comment above. I'm not sure I understand how a multiverse paradigm fits with what we think we know about the nde experience... then again, I suppose it's a matter of how strictly follow the multiverse dogma.

I mean, it does seem like some kind of multi timeline play/ simulation/ dream is going on.
Yes, I think that the simulation/game/dream thing is a useful metaphor.

I think your soul has goals and your judgement is an evaluation of how close you came to the target and how much you fell short (sinned). So this is why there is such a variance in NDE experience: some soul goals are common among most or all people and some are unique. You could think of souls as having a Venn diagram of overlapping and non-overlapping goals. And in fact the structure of a soul is also like the Venn diagram in that how you choose to define a soul is a matter of choice... you could expand the boundary to include your family or all of your species or the planet or shrink it to just "you".

A conscious moment seems to be a kind of reduction or distillation of an infinity down to something meaningful and meaning is tied to a goal. A choice is a boundary. A boundary excludes. If you have doors A, B, and C, and you pick one you necessarily exclude the other two.

Free will and consciousness are a filter... a way of subtracting to create.

So just as your visual processing network reduces a sea of color and shade to a handful of symbols related to interaction, your soul and your consciousness are "looking" at the multi-verse and subtracting irrelevant details and distilling from the infinite sea of timelines a handful of timelines that are useful to it.

Suppose you are looking at a field of grass. Is it essential to the meaning of your storyline where each blade of grass is growing? Probably not. So your consciousness reduces or compresses a field of grass to one symbol. Now the interesting question is: during your life review, is every blade of grass where it was during your life? Or does your life exist in compressed form such that something like a GAN upscales the blank space labeled "field of grass" with freshly created blades of grass?

And is this "upscaling" with something like a GAN actually how everything is rendered now (not just in the life review)? In which case, the sea of color and shade from which you pick out symbols for interaction is actually generated in the reverse way by a small set of symbols run through the GAN to create all the irrelevant detail and complexity.

Perhaps to beings existing in the next layer of reality outside this one (and NDE experiencers who have been there), this reality appears crudely rendered in the way that Minecraft appears to us.

 
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awesome... just to be clear... and because you're a yogi and will understand... I've rolled SRF into my own practice that might seem unrecognizable to strict adherents :) so I wouldn't want to say that I do "Kriya"

But then it sounds like you understand all this at a much deeper level... loved: "Why does it matter what words you choose to study if you always know the One exists?"
I understand. I know the monastics at SRF would want precise adherence to the lessons, no additional practices, and no ayahuasca. But they do care "what words you choose to study". Every body is different and traveling different paths, so may require tweaks in the approach. The one thing I love about Yogananda is his assertion that yoga is a science performed in the laboratory of your consciousness. It sounds like you have been performing yogic experiments in your laboratory for many years and know what works for you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
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Question at the end: what do you think about the multi-verse?

There is one line of thinking that makes the multi-verse unpalatable because with all possibilities realized then free-will is an illusion because the choice you make at this moment is just a random pick of all the choices you do realize in other timelines.

I like how Riz makes a distinction between possibility and realization or "rendering"... that is one way to deal with this free-will issue.

Another way to think of it... look around you. What do you see? There are practically an infinite number of ways to describe what you see and there are practically an infinite number details you could choose to focus on.

How do we observe an infinity and gather something finite from it? We need a goal - a purpose. A goal subtracts things irrelevant to achievement of that goal. So when you look around you your neural network which has been initiated with training data based on what is useful for this or that task... when you look around, you will see edges, and handles, and tools and spaces with which you may interact. Your symbolizing of reality is grounded in use.

So just as you are now surrounded by an infinity from which you subtract to the essentials in achieving some goal, the multi-verse is an infinity from which we choose a path most relevant to a particular goal that the Soul is trying to achieve at the moment.

All of reality is a nested network of goals and agents attempting to achieve goals, and these efforts create the environments in which even more agents find themselves attempting to achieve goals. Goals within goals and souls within souls... all the way down.
Every act of perception is a hierarchy. As you perceive the infinite data points around you, you unconsciously create a hierarchy of importance and relevance.
 

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Yes, I think that the simulation/game/dream thing is a useful metaphor.

I think your soul has goals and your judgement is an evaluation of how close you came to the target and how much you fell short (sinned). So this is why there is such a variance in NDE experience: some soul goals are common among most or all people and some are unique. You could think of souls as having a Venn diagram of overlapping and non-overlapping goals. And in fact the structure of a soul is also like the Venn diagram in that how you choose to define a soul is a matter of choice... you could expand the boundary to include your family or all of your species or the planet or shrink it to just "you".

A conscious moment seems to be a kind of reduction or distillation of an infinity down to something meaningful and meaning is tied to a goal. A choice is a boundary. A boundary excludes. If you have doors A, B, and C, and you pick one you necessarily exclude the other two.

Free will and consciousness are a filter... a way of subtracting to create.

So just as your visual processing network reduces a sea of color and shade to a handful of symbols related to interaction, your soul and your consciousness are "looking" at the multi-verse and subtracting irrelevant details and distilling from the infinite sea of timelines a handful of timelines that are useful to it.

Suppose you are looking at a field of grass. Is it essential to the meaning of your storyline where each blade of grass is growing? Probably not. So your consciousness reduces or compresses a field of grass to one symbol. Now the interesting question is: during your life review, is every blade of grass where it was during your life? Or does your life exist in compressed form such that something like a GAN upscales the blank space labeled "field of grass" with freshly created blades of grass?

And is this "upscaling" with something like a GAN actually how everything is rendered now (not just in the life review)? In which case, the sea of color and shade from which you pick out symbols for interaction is actually generated in the reverse way by a small set of symbols run through the GAN to create all the irrelevant detail and complexity.

Perhaps to beings existing in the next layer of reality outside this one (and NDE experiencers who have been there), this reality appears crudely rendered in the way that Minecraft appears to us.

nice -- You could think of souls as having a Venn diagram of overlapping and non-overlapping goals
 

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Every act of perception is a hierarchy. As you perceive the infinite data points around you, you unconsciously create a hierarchy of importance and relevance.
wow... nice... it's a diff... and intuitively seems like a more accurate... way to think about riz's concept that we only render what we need.
 
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Every act of perception is a hierarchy. As you perceive the infinite data points around you, you unconsciously create a hierarchy of importance and relevance.
Yes. Every act of perception is an organizing into a network of symbolic relationships with concentric circles of relevance or importance and so you could say it is a combined hierarchical and nodal network.

And every act of perception is also an act of the will, a choice, a placement of boundaries which are entirely arbitrary except in how useful they are to the agent who assigns them through perception/will.
 
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Death is an absolute object quantum experience to each person in a way. Its based on faith, cultural beliefs and and absolute that equates from the
sum of first two and maybe more, but basically so 1+0=1 You get an basic on going experience , pass go! 1+1 =2 super ongoing experience designed by you for ! Atheist, you get zero, lights out nothing happens the end curtains! 0+0=0
This can have the inverse too , say you're totally an unrepentant evil pos! Like Hitler Stalin or some in power here in the USA , then -1 -1 = -2
means hell bound for eternity !
 
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I though the interview with Riz was excellent. And i found some of his comments intriguing. Assuming we are living in a simulated reality are we creating another simulation within this simulation? How many times has this already occurred, simulations within simulations? Is this just a form of fractals? Would fractals describe the multiverse? :eek:
 
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