Robert Forte, The Softer Side of CIA Psychedelic Mind Control |407|

Do you think there is a chance that either of those individuals might be charged?

David
McCain for one thing, is now deceased.

Clinton may yet get charged for other matters, but not for the Syria stuff. Same with Clapper and Brennan.

Like said elsewhere, charging for that would cause a whole bunch of classified stuff to be revealed and it would impact international relationships.

So it would be dealt with internally.

If the media jumped on the story like they did with Iran Contra or Watergate, then maybe you'd see something happen in a court, though it would a more or less secret court out of necessity.
 
David,
With you 100%.

IMO, we need better media.
Indeed we do - they seemed to get suddenly really bad about the time of the Ukraine crisis, and thry have stayed that way.
I am not so sure that the media knows it is lying to us - at least not all of the time.
Here in the UK, I have heard them conduct interviews in which some of the true facts were starting to leak out. They hurried on rather than delve into territory they did not want to explore. It was obvious they knew!
When was the last time you saw a reporter from one of the big corporate media outlets in Syria (or some similar place)? Back in the Vietnam days, reporters actually went in country and some even got caught up in combat and killed. We used to have real investigative reporting. Now we have 26 year old communications majors that surf the internet for stories - or go to some agency and get the story that a Clapper or Brennan has prepared for them. They then repeat the what they have been told. They dare not do otherwise because they fear losing their "access" to the govt sources.

It is murky to me as to how much the media is involved in a conspiracy versus being self selected ideologues (usually very liberal) with a limited budget and limited intelligence and experience.
As above - they must know! I mean I'm not normally a political animal, but it was obvious to me that there was something wrong with those gas attack stories. Why would Assad use a small amount of gas just when he was winning - if he were to risk it, he would use a mass attack - but he didn't need to. The false nature of the stories was painfully obvious!
That said, I do think there is deliberate collusion with aspects of the govt that are ideologically aligned to report certain story lines.
Indeed, and that simply isn't the way a democratic media should operate. My partner, who came from communist Czechoslovakia, compares the media now with the media back then under communism. The only difference is the language!

David
 
Indeed we do - they seemed to get suddenly really bad about the time of the Ukraine crisis, and thry have stayed that way.

Here in the UK, I have heard them conduct interviews in which some of the true facts were starting to leak out. They hurried on rather than delve into territory they did not want to explore. It was obvious they knew!

As above - they must know! I mean I'm not normally a political animal, but it was obvious to me that there was something wrong with those gas attack stories. Why would Assad use a small amount of gas just when he was winning - if he were to risk it, he would use a mass attack - but he didn't need to. The false nature of the stories was painfully obvious!


Indeed, and that simply isn't the way a democratic media should operate. My partner, who came from communist Czechoslovakia, compares the media now with the media back then under communism. The only difference is the language!

David
David,
I'm not cutting them any slack. They probably do know. Only I don't know for sure that they know. So I'm just trying to be reasonable.

I have never seen the media behave so badly. Then again, I was reading two totally different accounts of the gun fight at the OK coral, written the day after the event by the two different papers in Tombstone, Arizona at the time. One paper was Democrat leaning and one was republican leaning. One had the Earp brothers as vicious murderers killing some innocent cowboys. The other paper had the Earps as heroes who stopped a band of horrible outlaws. Both cannot be true. This was a very small town circa 1880s and lots of people saw exactly what happened with their own eyes. I think the media has had a long history of telling politically biased stories and playing fast and loose with the facts.

I guess we expect our modern outlets to be better than the frontier writes of 130 years ago.
 
Another aside - It is accepted doctrine among certain factions in the US govt that Russia will back down if ever militarily confronted by the US and NATO. You have to understand things like that when making assessments. For example, "well they were willing to go to war with Russia over Syria so why not kill a few thousand on 911? Far more would die in a war with Russia." Well, they have convinced themselves that there wouldn't be such casualties in a war with Russia.
I wanted to pick up on this remark, because I backed the peace movement in the 1980's that opposed the introduction of new missiles into Europe. The feeling back then, was that some in the US were happy to destroy Europe to save it, or that the Russians would ultimately back down in a confrontation. This insane attitude has clearly persisted. I think this belief in the 'value' of a war with Russia, needs to be exposed as much as possible. I would imagine that most Democrat supporters did not realise that Clinton espoused that awful attitude. Sometimes I feel that there are those in the US who, far from feeling relieved when the USSR collapsed, were sorry that their chance for a massive military confrontation had receded!

David
 
One had ...
The other had ...
Both cannot be true.
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I think this is a misunderstanding of this reality. Yes, both can be true. Indeed they are. That is the whole point. It is important to understand that two contradictory views can simultaneously both be true.

We need to comprehend the whole and not simply pick a side.
 
Here’s my conspiracy:
Somehow, somewhere, somebody in the bowels of some alphabet agency came across Alex Tskaris’ Skeptiko podcast, which went from a harmless podcast about the study of NDE’s to a podcast that started to look into the darker agendas of the elite/agencies on the consciousness front, which then became a problem, somewhere, to somebody. Cause suddenly, this articulate but arrogant, obnoxious, blowhard shows up. This blowhard is not only an expert in OBE’s and psychedelics, but he also knows exactly what’s going on with all major world events, including Syria, as well as what’s really happening within all intelligence agencies and the entire U.S. military, everywhere and at all times in history. He has the final word on what happened on 9/11 (nothing to see there, folks), and he actually knows who the hell shot JFK (surprise! It was lone wolf Oswald). This blowhard doesn’t like conspiratards, they are all just stupid -- unless it’s a conspiracy against his brilliant leader, Trump. Then the conspiracy is real. For sure. Probably initiated by that dead fake war hero McCain and that witch Hilary (she really does smell like Sulphur, you know).

Wondering why a guy with such a closed mind (Muslims! Conspiratards! Stupid Lazy Press People!) who knows everything about everything, is on a tiny forum devoted to discussing high strangeness psi – and more recently to discuss what agendas might have been/might still be at play behind the scenes in that area. Alex has clearly indicated by his own words and via his more recent interviews that he’s always looking for the “deep conspiracy” underlying the topics he’s covering – why would this appeal to a man who hasn’t met an official narrative he doesn’t like (except if it goes against Trump, then the press are liars and idiots). Could it be that Alex’s pivot became a problem for someone, somewhere?

Eh. Maybe not. But that’s where my own addled, illogical, conspiratard mind goes when this thread gets hijacked into a conversation about TRUMP and 9/11, despite the fact that the actual interviewee joined the forum and made himself available for conversation in this thread.

Personally, I’d like to hear more from the interviewee about more of the topics discussed on this interview if he hasn’t completely lost all interest and walked away by now. But if David and the blowhard want to continue discussing Trump and the only true conspiracies that aren’t retarded…by all means.
 
Here’s my conspiracy:
Somehow, somewhere, somebody in the bowels of some alphabet agency came across Alex Tskaris’ Skeptiko podcast, which went from a harmless podcast about the study of NDE’s to a podcast that started to look into the darker agendas of the elite/agencies on the consciousness front, which then became a problem, somewhere, to somebody. Cause suddenly, this articulate but arrogant, obnoxious, blowhard shows up. This blowhard is not only an expert in OBE’s and psychedelics, but he also knows exactly what’s going on with all major world events, including Syria, as well as what’s really happening within all intelligence agencies and the entire U.S. military, everywhere and at all times in history. He has the final word on what happened on 9/11 (nothing to see there, folks), and he actually knows who the hell shot JFK (surprise! It was lone wolf Oswald). This blowhard doesn’t like conspiratards, they are all just stupid -- unless it’s a conspiracy against his brilliant leader, Trump. Then the conspiracy is real. For sure. Probably initiated by that dead fake war hero McCain and that witch Hilary (she really does smell like Sulphur, you know).

Wondering why a guy with such a closed mind (Muslims! Conspiratards! Stupid Lazy Press People!) who knows everything about everything, is on a tiny forum devoted to discussing high strangeness psi – and more recently to discuss what agendas might have been/might still be at play behind the scenes in that area. Alex has clearly indicated by his own words and via his more recent interviews that he’s always looking for the “deep conspiracy” underlying the topics he’s covering – why would this appeal to a man who hasn’t met an official narrative he doesn’t like (except if it goes against Trump, then the press are liars and idiots). Could it be that Alex’s pivot became a problem for someone, somewhere?

Eh. Maybe not. But that’s where my own addled, illogical, conspiratard mind goes when this thread gets hijacked into a conversation about TRUMP and 9/11, despite the fact that the actual interviewee joined the forum and made himself available for conversation in this thread.

Personally, I’d like to hear more from the interviewee about more of the topics discussed on this interview if he hasn’t completely lost all interest and walked away by now. But if David and the blowhard want to continue discussing Trump and the only true conspiracies that aren’t retarded…by all means.
I miss those NDE days.
 
But if David and the blowhard want to continue discussing Trump and the only true conspiracies that aren’t retarded…by all means.
Er, why don't you yourself discuss the podcast or 9/11 or whatever some more?

I long since gave up any attempt to keep discussions here on track - so long as they continue to be interesting and reasonably calm, I let them continue.

I am interested in NDE's and other ψ phenomena, but I am also interested in US politics, particularly in as much as it relates to the risk of an overwhelming military conflict. I also think those two interests are at least somewhat related. If by 'blowhard' , you are referring to the person I suspect you are, well most of us come here with some particular knowledge, which we contribute as appropriate without waiving our credentials about, and my view is that you are referring to someone who does indeed have some knowledge of what goes on in intelligence circles. At the very least I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because if we doubt everything, we have nothing to discuss!
I miss those NDE days.
Please choose an aspect of NDE's that you think needs more discussion (K9 has contributed a lot of NDE videos to get you started), and either revive an existing thread, or start a new one. I'd like to see more discussion in threads other than the current podcast thread, whatever it happens to be.

David
 
Eh. Maybe not. But that’s where my own addled, illogical, conspiratard mind goes when this thread gets hijacked into a conversation about TRUMP and 9/11, despite the fact that the actual interviewee joined the forum and made himself available for conversation in this thread.
Do you mean literally this very thread where you and I are now posting, or was that a hyperlink gone wrong that pointed to some other thread? Because the blowhard, if he's the one I'm thinking of, didn't join in the present thread. He joined a few months ago.
 
He seems no more a blowhard than anyone else on these forums. He's just taken a relatively aggressive posture on certain topics (namely governmental conspiracies). I, for one, tend to align with his general skepticism regarding large-scale governmental conspiracies.

He's also not (by any stretch) the first member to posit things from a position of appeal to his/her own authority. (i.e., his background, experience, etc.)
 
He's also not (by any stretch) the first member to posit things from a position of appeal to his/her own authority. (i.e., his background, experience, etc.)
A person who 1. Has direct experience, and 2. Has an opinion derived from that experience is not an instance of an appeal to authority. Your comment here is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen made. Congratulations.

So, according to 'Silence' - a person who has an NDE, better not come in here and contend that such an experience is the basis of any kind of opinion, ...'cuz muh appeal to athor'tay.

Silence, you are just going to have to face it. You are a dick... and the forum suffers badly because of people like you - others afraid to comment because they will get attacked.

If you hate others so badly, perhaps you should consider another venue. And the gang here, all of you need to stop patrolling the forum and cleverly goading members into conflict - like you own the place... You do not.
 
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He seems no more a blowhard than anyone else on these forums. He's just taken a relatively aggressive posture on certain topics (namely governmental conspiracies). I, for one, tend to align with his general skepticism regarding large-scale governmental conspiracies.
It isn't often we agree - so it is worth celebrating, don't you think!

More generally, I think threads get spoiled when tempers rise - everyone outside the argument just yawns and clicks elsewhere.

David
 
It isn't often we agree - so it is worth celebrating, don't you think!

More generally, I think threads get spoiled when tempers rise - everyone outside the argument just yawns and clicks elsewhere.

David
Disagreement is fine. This is not disagreement. This is not tempers rising. This is forum bullying. And good people, who are here to understand and grow, standing up to it.

We have a couple members who bully others in the forum.
 
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The interviewee, Robert Forte, tries to join this thread's discussion at #13. Forte makes some really interesting claims at #53 and #54, which are basically ignored or dismissed/ridiculed (blowhard), who then goes on to ridicule anyone who believes in anything other than the official narrative on any world event or social engineering project (except when it concerns Trump), including the interviewee, apparently because he's got "sources" all over the IC and military. It's no wonder Forte appears to have left the conversation. A missed opportunity to converse with someone with direct involvement and experience with the titans of the psychedelic movement(s), one who has an unpopular, but very thoughtful and well-researched position on the whole can of worms.

For anyone wanting more on the actual topic, this is a very good podcast interview:

https://psychedelicstoday.com/2018/08/07/robert-forte/

Those who don't think there were any alphabet agency shenanigans involving the mass introduction of psychedelics in the 50's/60's (via Life magazine and elsewhere), which is likely continuing with the current "psychedelic renaissance" today, should read the books Forte mentions in the psychedelics today podcast and linked on its webpage. I think there's a very good case to be made that psychedelics (and other drugs, including fentanyl, heroin, and MDMA) are still being rolled out/introduced into the mass population for a reason other than to uplift consciousness.
 
Silence, you are just going to have to face it. You are a dick
You reveal much more about yourself with comments like this than you pretend to know about me. Calling an anonymous poster on an internet forum "a dick" and I'm the bully? Comical and juvenile to the extreme.

You are an interesting character. I enjoy the content of many of your posts, but I've struggled with the tone you tend to use. Its quite superior and arrogant (to which there is no justification even if you truly are of a superior intellect: its just another form of bullying). You also seem to be hyper sensitive to anyone who might challenge you. Makes me question how honest you truly are about the myriad of real life successes you seem to so freely volunteer and the most successful people I've known in my RL career have generally been really well grounded and above such pettiness.

You don't like what I post? Put me on ignore. Otherwise, to stoop to your level, you can kiss my ass. :)
 
Do you mean literally this very thread where you and I are now posting, or was that a hyperlink gone wrong that pointed to some other thread? Because the blowhard, if he's the one I'm thinking of, didn't join in the present thread. He joined a few months ago.
I meant this thread. Why join a thread specifically about the "Softer Side of CIA Psychedelic Mind Control" when your view of the world is so narrowly constricted (and rah rah American hegemony, regardless of the human body toll and the manner in which such hegemony is maintained) that you get hostile/verbally aggressive over comments that criticize US deceit/depravity at the top levels -- even to the point of huffing that "next time we'll leave you to your sorry fate" as if he was somehow personally involved in assisting England during WW II? (#103). (My assumption is that no one on this thread is old enough to be a WW II veteran and thus did not save anyone from anything back then). Moreover, why join this Forum -- Alex is clearly putting out podcasts that explore the deep conspiracy side of psi/consciousness studies -- unless the desire is to hijack legitimate inquiry on those topics?

I guess it just baffles me that the forum has the (remaining) members that it does, given Alex's clear direction in his more recent (i.e., the past 2 years at least) podcasts. I am aware that many long-standing members came here from the beginning for the NDE research, and that this was once a more vibrant community forum with lots of really intelligent posts on psi/consciousness topics that did not involve "conspiracy" topics. I came here for those intelligent posts and have learned from many members posting here. But I am also onboard with -- and interested in -- the "deep conspiracy" topics that Alex is covering -- and wish there were more members open to real discussions about those things -- because there is so much to unpack there. It seems, however, that there are members here who intentionally shut such conversations down. Whether they pop in with one liners to troll, or whether they bully and bluster their way by ridiculing or by suggesting insider knowledge that they likely do not have (or really, would they be here, on this forum, with probably less than ten active members? Is that how an IC insider spends his unpaid time?) -- the intent seems to be to stop the inquiry.

Is it so hard to be open to the possibility that, given: (a) the unlimited resources available to those in power, (b) the history of past projects that have already come to light (paperclip, mockingbird, MK-Ultra, artichoke, etc), (c) the human desire of those who have power to remain in power, and (d) the possibility that all manner of psi is REAL, that perhaps our elite/factions of our governments take psi/consciousness/human potential very seriously too, and are trying to figure out ways to control such things, primarily so they remain at the top?
 
I meant this thread. Why join a thread specifically about the "Softer Side of CIA Psychedelic Mind Control" when your view of the world is so narrowly constricted (and rah rah American hegemony, regardless of the human body toll and the manner in which such hegemony is maintained) that you get hostile/verbally aggressive over comments that criticize US deceit/depravity at the top levels -- even to the point of huffing that "next time we'll leave you to your sorry fate" as if he was somehow personally involved in assisting England during WW II?
You said:

Eh. Maybe not. But that’s where my own addled, illogical, conspiratard mind goes when this thread gets hijacked into a conversation about TRUMP and 9/11, despite the fact that the actual interviewee joined the forum and made himself available for conversation in this thread.
Hmm. Maybe you were merely saying that Robert Forte joined this forum, and aren't saying anything about when and why your "blowhard" joined the forum. The "blowhard" I'm thinking of (who looks to be the same one you're thinking of judging by what you report he said) certainly didn't join for this thread, but several months earlier (click his avatar and check his messages). But then, all you'd be questioning is why he joined this particular thread, which doesn't seem at all remarkable to me. People do join in discussions in different threads. So I don't get your specific point, really. Maybe I'm being a bit dense?
 
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