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#41
I am always a bit cautious about zinc because I don't know how much I already get in food, and as a heavy metal, it is obviously going to be harmful if I get too much.

Amazingly Boris (UK) has backed away from further lockdowns AND vaccine passports. I also read that Biden has backed away from vaccine passports.

I wonder if there is any analogy with the BSE crisis (mad cows). I have read on good authority that someone in the Ministry of Agriculture and Food realised that BSE started shortly after a new pesticide became compulsory on British farms. The pesticide was then withdrawn, but nothing was said officially. Sure enough, BSE simply ended.

By analogy, I wonder if a lot of the information about COVID that is now washing about, has made people in power realise that now is the time to back off. Maybe I am too much of an optimist - I don't know.

David
Hi David,
Wouldn't surprise me if one or a composition of the many toxic pesticides, growth hormones etc (known carcinogens etc) used in farming brought on the mad cow crisis but i heard that they were putting animal products (meat) in the cow feed as the 'science' said it didnt matter that cows are naturally grass eaters.
 
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Alex

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#42
Is there no other alternative?
I guess that's kind of the point... I mean nowadays ( as opposed to when I started the forum) there are about a million alternatives for connecting with other people around these topics.

I haven't paid any attention to the other nodes on the Skeptiko forum for years. to me the Skeptiko forum has always been a place to discuss the episodes... and if I could refine that a little bit... it's a place to share info/links/ref material related to the episodes.

I think it's best to close the other nodes/forums down.
 
#43
I guess that's kind of the point... I mean nowadays ( as opposed to when I started the forum) there are about a million alternatives for connecting with other people around these topics.

I haven't paid any attention to the other nodes on the Skeptiko forum for years. to me the Skeptiko forum has always been a place to discuss the episodes... and if I could refine that a little bit... it's a place to share info/links/ref material related to the episodes.

I think it's best to close the other nodes/forums down.
Hi Alex
i don't know what you mean by 'other nodes/forums'. Am not really a social media person. Is this skeptiko website forum staying open? If so were you going alter it to be just regarding the episodes? If so could you keep the 9/11 thread open? Also if there are to be alterations could i move certain posts (particularly those about child abuse and sra) to a corelating episode thread?
 
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#44
I am always a bit cautious about zinc because I don't know how much I already get in food, and as a heavy metal, it is obviously going to be harmful if I get too much.

Amazingly Boris (UK) has backed away from further lockdowns AND vaccine passports. I also read that Biden has backed away from vaccine passports.

I wonder if there is any analogy with the BSE crisis (mad cows). I have read on good authority that someone in the Ministry of Agriculture and Food realised that BSE started shortly after a new pesticide became compulsory on British farms. The pesticide was then withdrawn, but nothing was said officially. Sure enough, BSE simply ended.

By analogy, I wonder if a lot of the information about COVID that is now washing about, has made people in power realise that now is the time to back off. Maybe I am too much of an optimist - I don't know.

David
We all different, so do what feels right for you.
Shame is, they can't back down. All the cards are on the table. All chips cashed in. Next few months are going to be Sir Real.
But there is HOPE and assistance from "on high", so keep values and respect of life and others as I high priority. We'll make it through TOGETHER.
Christopher
 

Alex

Administrator
#45
Hi Alex
i don't know what you mean by 'other nodes/forums'. Am not really a social media person. Is this skeptiko website forum staying open? If so were you going alter it to be just regarding the episodes? If so could you keep the 9/11 thread open? Also if there are to be alterations could i move certain posts (particularly those about child abuse and sra) to a corelating episode thread?
yes, the "skeptiko shows" forum is going to go forward. I just haven't looked at the "why science is wrong" or the "Extended Consciousness & Spirituality" forums for years so I'm gonna close them. but I think the posts will stay there. they have for the other forums I closed a few years ago.
 
#46
Hi David,
Wouldn't surprise me if one or a composition of the many toxic pesticides, growth hormones etc (known carcinogens etc) used in farming brought on the mad cow crisis but i heard that they were putting animal products (meat) in the cow feed as the 'science' said it didnt matter that cows are naturally grass eaters.
It seems to be one specific pesticide because there hasn't been a case for ages. The point was that if a farmer applies something like that to a herd of cows, several may fall ill - giving the impression of a transmissible disease!

David
 
#47
A flat earther has taken up residence in the forum and is now using it to spam their nonsense beliefs all over.
Oh so this Is this where you go when your vagina is all sore and healing

Nice attempt to Cancel culture me like a little bitch. How old are you again?

Why don’t you just prove me wrong with all your superior indoctrination if you think I’m so wrong?
I mean I’m starting to assume perhaps it’s because you can’t & you believe in a lie. And now your worried everyone is going to find out you believe a lie and they are all going to laugh at you.

And because you must be stunted to the emotional age of I would guess your average asshole 5 year old, therefore you never developed the emotional intelligence to cope with reality. Sound about right so far?

you actually believe all of this bullshit right?
Pay close attention to red underlined bits.
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Now, even as fantastical & ridiculous as the notion of hurling through space at 600 times faster than the muzzle velocity of a center fire rifle cartridge, all while magically maintaining elliptical orbits around the sun 93 million miles away is...
I’ll just give you the huge & completely unrealistic benefit of the doubt.

So pretending like we’re hurling through space at 1.3 million mph, I’m impressed, it’s a pretty smooth ride isnt it? Kinda like that car doing 80, you can hardly notice your moving actually you can’t notice it at all considering we can have lakes that are mirror flat like glass on a calm morning.
Gee, nature and physics sure are amazing aren’t they?

Amazing that is, right up until the earth tries to take a corner at 1.3 million mph, much like doing 80 in a car and taking a roundabout.

I’m pretty sure you’re going to feel that now aren’t you?

Hmmm that’s weird Elon Musk says that video MAKES IT CLEAR you can ONLY sense ACCELERATION not velocity.

I mean, please do correct me if I’m wrong here, but did reality somehow forget that UNIFORM CIRCULAR MOTION IS CONSTANT ACCELERATION!

Or was it Elon musk and nasa who forgot?

Or since they are rocket scientist and all, is it more likely that they just lied to you, knowing you and all the other nasa Nut Swingers wouldn’t even question them?


BWAHAHAHA! Morons! Ouch! That must hurt diverdownsyndrome, I can almost taste your tears right now, SOOOO delicious ;)

Your claimed superior intellect and education falls short of good ol’common fucking sense yet again. So sad. :(

Now what we’re you saying about spamming nonsense beliefs again? that must be one of those Narcissistic projections huh? LMFAO

Go ahead and cancel culture me looser, I win, and you know it, it’s flat and motionless!
SUCK IT!
 
#49
Oh so this Is this where you go when your vagina is all sore and healing

Nice attempt to Cancel culture me like a little bitch. How old are you again?

Why don’t you just prove me wrong with all your superior indoctrination if you think I’m so wrong?
I mean I’m starting to assume perhaps it’s because you can’t & you believe in a lie. And now your worried everyone is going to find out you believe a lie and they are all going to laugh at you.

And because you must be stunted to the emotional age of I would guess your average asshole 5 year old, therefore you never developed the emotional intelligence to cope with reality. Sound about right so far?

you actually believe all of this bullshit right?
Pay close attention to red underlined bits.
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Now, even as fantastical & ridiculous as the notion of hurling through space at 600 times faster than the muzzle velocity of a center fire rifle cartridge, all while magically maintaining elliptical orbits around the sun 93 million miles away is...
I’ll just give you the huge & completely unrealistic benefit of the doubt.

So pretending like we’re hurling through space at 1.3 million mph, I’m impressed, it’s a pretty smooth ride isnt it? Kinda like that car doing 80, you can hardly notice your moving actually you can’t notice it at all considering we can have lakes that are mirror flat like glass on a calm morning.
Gee, nature and physics sure are amazing aren’t they?

Amazing that is, right up until the earth tries to take a corner at 1.3 million mph, much like doing 80 in a car and taking a roundabout.

I’m pretty sure you’re going to feel that now aren’t you?

Hmmm that’s weird Elon Musk says that video MAKES IT CLEAR you can ONLY sense ACCELERATION not velocity.

I mean, please do correct me if I’m wrong here, but did reality somehow forget that UNIFORM CIRCULAR MOTION IS CONSTANT ACCELERATION!

Or was it Elon musk and nasa who forgot?

Or since they are rocket scientist and all, is it more likely that they just lied to you, knowing you and all the other nasa Nut Swingers wouldn’t even question them?


BWAHAHAHA! Morons! Ouch! That must hurt diverdownsyndrome, I can almost taste your tears right now, SOOOO delicious ;)

Your claimed superior intellect and education falls short of good ol’common fucking sense yet again. So sad. :(

Now what we’re you saying about spamming nonsense beliefs again? that must be one of those Narcissistic projections huh? LMFAO

Go ahead and cancel culture me looser, I win, and you know it, it’s flat and motionless!
SUCK IT!
Dude. Would you mind dailing it down so we don’t lose the forum or the participants? This doesn’t resemble any attempt a scientific discussion. It’s just arguing.
 
#52
Why don’t you just prove me wrong...
SUCK IT!
Just want to interject briefly to say that the bar to debate this subject is high while the payoff is non-existant. I"ve heard many a flat earth enthusiast explain why I should care (why the ball/gravity model is a lie) but each time I walk away still not caring. Is it more consequential to my life than my impending job loss due to the vax mandate? Will it result in reduced loss of life or increased liberty or a higher state of consciousness? No sir, this topic is for someone with a surplus of free time and wack priorities, whatever the correct model of space may be.
 
#53
IMO the podcasts pivot from engaging with scientists, critics and philosophers on consciousness to talking about conspiracy theories and religion was always going to end up in the accompanying forum being swamped with conspiratainment enthusiasts. Alex is free to do what he wants, and frankly I think closing many of the other forums has been long overdue - he is right about there being other outlets for discussion out there.
 
#54
I share my opinion if you all don't mind.

Relevant to the reason why you see the quality of the discussion in this forum degraded over the last several years.

A part of the reason is that, there is a conspiracy starting from decades ago, also I feel cold war was involved, but not to much degree of depth, at first, this conspiracy was drawing many attentions and believers, so it absorbed many funds, and those funds contributed to more work efforts to maintain the conspiracy, thus forming a waxing cycle.

During recent years, the conspiracy is not doing very well, note this is a natural phenomenon, not because people didn't make their best endeavor.

As to whether this conspiracy is a bad conspiracy, I think it is not, and I think it is not a good with a completely good purpose.

The topics need to be hot, not only to maintain this conspiracy itself, but also many pheripheral industries and businesses rely on its hotness.

But the hotness is waning, because people are less and less interested in those hoaxes. You've heard them too many times, they've been too repetitive, providing no new content, as to a point that when you can tell a story yourself why you still take interested in listening such a boring cliche story?

Less people pay attentions to these topics, less money flowing among these cheating industries, less funds to purchase work efforts to maintain the conspiracy, thus forming a waning cycle.

This forum is for people to discuss those unusual phenomena regarding to mysteries of consciousness, it is also fed on the hotness of the "mysteries", if the "mysteries" are all debunked as hoaxes, how boring it would be and serious people will not wish to pay attentions to boring hoaxes.

It is a natural process, not attributive to something like "the forum lacks moderation" or "people don't post qualified posts".

I thank this conspiracy, because it contributed to many good things, like reminding us - including me - many important things in our lives, and this conspiracy gave us many good time of debating.

Unfortunately a conspiracy will soon or later be debunked, the world is full of lies, not full of honesty. No one can prohibit the conspiracy from being debunked.

From now on, no one ever necessarily be deceived any more by some old types of frauds, if they don't provide sufficiently large amount of investigation and they strangely propose a "so-sure" stance to claim a considerably "big claim", and they either don't show interest to further investigate by themselves or sneakily try to supress your remembering the need to further investigate or even prohibit you from further investigating, then they are frauds, you don't need to be hesitant any more whether to believe someone or not.

And many so called paranormal phenomenon claimers in the past decades contributed the behaviors conforming to the foregoing mentioned frauds criteria very closely.

I personally don't condemn this conspiracy and by some means, I don't particularly hate it to strive on maintaining some "hotness" and public attentions, even if they strive on that by having said many ambigously deceptive claims.

But the trend that those cheap lies drawing less and less people's interest, is losing their prevalence regardless of any one or any organization's control. People no longer so easily be deceived.

Sorry I'm in an extremely bad mood so I didn't write a decent English paragraph, ignore what I said please, treat me as a pig hog boar swine using pig toes to write sentences please T_T T_T T_T T_T my words make many people unhappy I know I understand these I know it's my fault. But I'm seeking for the truth and saying the truth and it is really such a sad thing T_T T_T T_T T_T no one can quench its sadness. The reality is not sweet. The lies wished to make it sweet, but eventually could make it even more bitter to swallow T_T T_T T_T T_T I'm so pig hog boar swine I'm very sorry to say these, but why people make big claim with providing almost ZERO amount of information and like a puppet don't even show an interest to further investigate and even more, suppress other people's concern for further investigation? If you insist it is not a lie, it won't make any reality any more sweet only make the world more insane and bitter T_T T_T T_T T_T

Again, to the top floor poster: this isn't any fault regarding to "less moderation" or something, it is natural and we can't stop this trend, those quacks are too cheap they provided no content no information people might take interested in them at first glance but soon or later would lose interest and those conspiracy would no longer absorb any fund to maintain its cycling and then it will die out on its own. The conspiracy is not all bad, I even feel it is like a bad little devil girl, a bit bad, but also a bit cute, but no one can help it if it itself has a hollow nature T_T T_T T_T T_T

It is not anyone's fault, this forum is moderated very fairly very well, I be banned ago and I don't hate on that any single bit, David is doing good I thank him very very much. Alax gave us many good time of discussion for these I will remember all my life if my memories won't be erased so soon.

But you know the reason? The problem lays on that there really isn't so many genuine paranormal phenomena outside there in this world. Many braggers' paranormal claims finally become a Tom and Jerry game, claiming big and being debunked embarrassingly, I would agree if you say the process of debunking a hoaxes is fun in its process but these conspiracy couldn't maintain people's attention for too long, modern people aren't deceived so easily. Especially for younger generation people, they are fed on abundant content, not cliche frauds. No one can control this.
 
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#55
I made a mistake in my previous post, I said "modern people are not that easily deceived as like old times - especially compared to the old times before internet and notion of information highway prevail", no, this statement of mine is wrong!

There are still many XXXXXX(I don't want to use not nice word) and insane people all around this world all the time!

Some people consider that if many people endorse a thing then it is less likely to be a hoax. In some circumstances this is correct, but some not so!

So, if a conspiracy intends to use such a kind of "hollow content" to deceive people, it will absorb more and more insane people and less and less sane people. I repeat this, because this is very important:
If a conspiracy plans to use such a kind of "hollow content" to deceive people, it will absorb more and more insane people and less and less sane people, and finally the frauds will only be able to expect to become an emperor of asylum patients who are XXXXXX and insane!

XXXXXX and insane people take many layers, of which "flat earther" is quite lower level, but you see, even "flat earther" has a considerable quantity of people, do you still think the majority of world population is sane?

Hey as to the "flat earther", I want to say something, "flat earthers" have their own thought, their reasoning, main stream scientific respectful people have their own thought, their reasoning, how can I stand by one side with so certainty?

As I have always said, I repeat this thing again and again, patiently! You compare "THE AMOUNT OF USEFUL INFORMATION" to judge which side is correct, meaningful, reasonable, genuine, honest, and which side is on the opposite, being incorrect, meaningless, insane, fake, quacky.

Hey, flat earthers, what information can you provide? What sane intelligent useful information CAN YOU PROVIDE to endorse your opinion that earth is flat? Do you really feel proud by saying those sentences even a XXXXXX and insane people in a heavy asylum can compose an article or even a series of saga book trillion times more intriguing and compelling than your piteous little imagination creative sentence composition power? Hey flat earthers your intelligence - not matter in fact how low it is - is for everything but not for insulting your own time to compose those meaningless sentences, you can provide zero amount of USEFUL INFORMATION yet you still are shameless to hammer your own chest to claim that you are so sure earth is flat? In what way do you think it is considered to be very cool? On the opposite, THE AMOUNT OF USEFUL INFORMATION to endorse that earth is NOT flat, is not extremely sufficient, but at least it is astronomically larger than flat earthers' piteous imagination power, so in order to prevent one's own basic sanity - the sanity to recognize an ape is not his wife or her husband - being insulted by him/her self, which side the sane people will stand by, you tell me.
 
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#56
It seems to be one specific pesticide because there hasn't been a case for ages. The point was that if a farmer applies something like that to a herd of cows, several may fall ill - giving the impression of a transmissible disease!

David
Be interesting to know what pesticide it was.
With cows eating meat is for real. Not like chops or bacon bits but sheep and other animal meat mixed in with the grain etc into pellets or something. They may have even fed them cow as well at some point. At some point about ten years ago someone(s) were trying to pass a law that meant that a cow wouldnt ever have to leave its pen where it's impossible for it to even turn round, that size pen pumped with growth hormones etc. I dont think they got away with it and cows can still move about some, at least at certain times. Giving cows a meat diet cant be a good thing nedalone cannibal. I think it may still be in practice at least in some places all over the world with the sheep meat etc. Maybe the cows have been moved up to sea bass in uk. Tap water is recycled sewage pipe ingredients too. isles wide. All over Europe too for the most part. Doesnt even work as water even if it is germ free. Sounds like caveman farmers or something. There are some good farms though just worried what the percentage might be.
 
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#57
Be interesting to know what pesticide it was.
With cows eating meat is for real. Not like chops or bacon bits but sheep and other animal meat mixed in with the grain etc into pellets or something. They may have even fed them cow as well at some point. At some point about ten years ago someone(s) were trying to pass a law that meant that a cow wouldnt ever have to leave its pen where it's impossible for it to even turn round, that size pen pumped with growth hormones etc. I dont think they got away with it and cows can still move about some, at least at certain times. Giving cows a meat diet cant be a good thing nedalone cannibal. I think it may still be in practice at least in some places all over the world with the sheep meat etc. Maybe the cows have been moved up to sea bass in uk. Tap water is recycled sewage pipe ingredients too. isles wide. All over Europe too for the most part. Doesnt even work as water even if it is germ free. Sounds like caveman farmers or something. There are some good farms though just worried what the percentage might be.
bet those uk and different eu countries almond and soya drinks never tasted so good. water in the ingredients means tap water unless stated otherwise :) hmm
 
#58
yes, the "skeptiko shows" forum is going to go forward. I just haven't looked at the "why science is wrong" or the "Extended Consciousness & Spirituality" forums for years so I'm gonna close them. but I think the posts will stay there. they have for the other forums I closed a few years ago.
Why would you not look at them, LOL

ppl still buy your books
 
#59
Alex,

The other sub-forums have been a place for people to expand on their ideas/experiences, and I think they have enriched the forum immensely. Indeed you have acquired suggestions for interviewees from those forums. One of those forums relates directly to one of your books.

If you can afford the cash, you will be able to keep the forum going after a fashion, but it won't be the Skeptiko we knew and loved, and you may find yourself talking to a dwindling band of nutters :(

David
 
#60
Oh so this Is this where you go when your vagina is all sore and healing

Nice attempt to Cancel culture me like a little bitch. How old are you again?

Why don’t you just prove me wrong with all your superior indoctrination if you think I’m so wrong?
I mean I’m starting to assume perhaps it’s because you can’t & you believe in a lie. And now your worried everyone is going to find out you believe a lie and they are all going to laugh at you.

And because you must be stunted to the emotional age of I would guess your average asshole 5 year old, therefore you never developed the emotional intelligence to cope with reality. Sound about right so far?

you actually believe all of this bullshit right?
Pay close attention to red underlined bits.
View attachment 2142 View attachment 2143 View attachment 2144 View attachment 2145

Now, even as fantastical & ridiculous as the notion of hurling through space at 600 times faster than the muzzle velocity of a center fire rifle cartridge, all while magically maintaining elliptical orbits around the sun 93 million miles away is...
I’ll just give you the huge & completely unrealistic benefit of the doubt.

So pretending like we’re hurling through space at 1.3 million mph, I’m impressed, it’s a pretty smooth ride isnt it? Kinda like that car doing 80, you can hardly notice your moving actually you can’t notice it at all considering we can have lakes that are mirror flat like glass on a calm morning.
Gee, nature and physics sure are amazing aren’t they?

Amazing that is, right up until the earth tries to take a corner at 1.3 million mph, much like doing 80 in a car and taking a roundabout.

I’m pretty sure you’re going to feel that now aren’t you?

Hmmm that’s weird Elon Musk says that video MAKES IT CLEAR you can ONLY sense ACCELERATION not velocity.

I mean, please do correct me if I’m wrong here, but did reality somehow forget that UNIFORM CIRCULAR MOTION IS CONSTANT ACCELERATION!

Or was it Elon musk and nasa who forgot?

Or since they are rocket scientist and all, is it more likely that they just lied to you, knowing you and all the other nasa Nut Swingers wouldn’t even question them?


BWAHAHAHA! Morons! Ouch! That must hurt diverdownsyndrome, I can almost taste your tears right now, SOOOO delicious ;)

Your claimed superior intellect and education falls short of good ol’common fucking sense yet again. So sad. :(

Now what we’re you saying about spamming nonsense beliefs again? that must be one of those Narcissistic projections huh? LMFAO

Go ahead and cancel culture me looser, I win, and you know it, it’s flat and motionless!
SUCK IT!
I must say, Wesley, that your reasoning and argumentation is remarkably similar to 9-11 thruthers and other conspiracy theorists. Impressive. Good work.
 
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