Staring Into the Evil Scientific Abyss w/ Alex Tsakiris

#3
Great interview and discussion! I hope to see Moe as a future guest on Skeptiko.
I don’t think he would make it through the gamut unscathed by any stretch, but he seems to have very strong convictions which might benefit from being tested in the classic Skeptiko fashion.

With the discussion of Andrew Wakefield, I think this is VERY relevant (Don't be fooled by the musical start to this video - this is a very serious discussion).

https://inoneplace.com/thewatch/item/a7VKK4WS0hA1874

David
Listening to this now. Already forwarded to my extended family group text. Thank you for sharing this important stuff.
 

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#4
This sounds like a very interesting interview. Right at the start there was a discussion about controlling populations, which makes this pretty relevant.

With the discussion of Andrew Wakefield, I think this is VERY relevant (Don't be fooled by the musical start to this video - this is a very serious discussion).

https://inoneplace.com/thewatch/item/a7VKK4WS0hA1874

David
wow... hard to hear... but super important.
 
#5
This sounds like a very interesting interview. Right at the start there was a discussion about controlling populations, which makes this pretty relevant.

With the discussion of Andrew Wakefield, I think this is VERY relevant (Don't be fooled by the musical start to this video - this is a very serious discussion).

https://inoneplace.com/thewatch/item/a7VKK4WS0hA1874

David
Does it cause any concern for you that the first two of the doctor's I googled (Mercola and Fleming) appear to have some rather dubious backgrounds? Fleming is a two time convicted felon for medical fraud and Mercola has built a $100m net worth largely based on natural health cures/remedies and anti-vaccine propaganda.

Maybe the other 8 docs are all bonafide, non-conflicted truth seekers.

Or, maybe it doesn't matter if what they're saying confirms one's biases?
 
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Does it cause any concern for you that the first two of the doctor's I googled (Mercola and Fleming) appear to have some rather dubious backgrounds? Fleming is a two time convicted felon for medical fraud and Mercola has built a $100m net worth largely based on natural health cures/remedies and anti-vaccine propaganda.

Maybe the other 8 docs are all bonafide, non-conflicted truth seekers.


Or, maybe it doesn't matter if what they're saying confirms one's biases?
What exactly was Fleming convicted for?

I can't quite see how you can build a business out of anti-vaccination propaganda. If Mercola made a lot of money out of natural health products, I'd say good luck to him. Conversely, it is easy to see how Big Pharma make money out of vaccines.


A large part of Big Pharma has a criminal record:
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

I'd suggest you watch the video, it covers a lot of ground and you might start to realise the depth of concern some people have over stuffing this vaccine (which hasn't gone through the length of testing of earlier vaccines) into the adult population, and maybe into kids as well.

Even if there were no evil intent, think what a mistake might mean.

My partner and I are not vaccinated, and since we are both over 70, we have obviously considered the risks and counter-risks rather carefully.

David
 
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Continuing with your podcast, the section about the connection between reincarnation and racism, I am super dubious about this because only a tiny fraction of the children with past life memories have been researched, and therefore statistically most will be memories from the same race just because, for some reason, people seem to reincarnate relatively close to the site of their previous lives.

I suppose I am also dubious of the idea that reincarnation and DNA are related.

Alex's point about there being some remaining racism is probably also true, but things have changed a lot since I was a kid. My Dad taught in a further education college, and he would have students - many of whom were black - over for a meal and some extra coaching. At one point we were moving house, and several neighbours came round to ask him not to sell our house to a black family! He assured them that he wouldn't, and indeed he didn't!

However, my feeling is that the concept of white privilege etc has not genuinely arisen from black groups, and is an attempt to coopt the blacks into politics. I have a feeling of synthetic grievance politics.

David
 
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Insurance fraud. Submitting claims for reimbursement for services that were never provided. Felony crimes not unlike those you castigate (correctly mind you) big pharma for.


Then you're a fool. Homeopathic medicine is big business, even when it provides no benefit.
Homeopathic medicine must be phoney if you assume materialism. If you don't make that assumption, things aren't as clear cut. Certainly I can tell you from personal experience, acupncture is useful.
Perhaps you've heard the term "snake oil salesman" from antiquity? Its been an easy way to defraud people of their money for eons.
I'd rather a few people were fooled by snake oil, than I would see Big Pharma run amock.
Would naturally fit that someone making lots and lots of money selling natural remedies would be anti-vaccine (i.e., anti-big medicine). The conflict of interest is plain to see.

The fact that you just brush this off as if it's nothing while constantly offering up big pharma's greed is gross. Its confirmation bias at its finest. There's nothing scientific, rational or noble about it.
Big Pharma's greed is gross, when people play with billions of dollars at a stroke, they can easily go mad - I would say we are seeing exactly that.
Also Mercola did not dominate that discussion. Don't you think it might be wise if governments responded in detail and in public to those points (and those people are not alone in making them) when so much may be at stake?

David
 
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Except in very narrowly defined categories - such as child porn - I consider the censoring of the internet evil in itself.
Agreed. Ironic considering I've had a post deleted in this thread. ;)
Well it was nothing to do with me!

David
 
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Continuing with your podcast, the section about the connection between reincarnation and racism, I am super dubious about this because only a tiny fraction of the children with past life memories have been researched, and therefore statistically most will be memories from the same race just because, for some reason, people seem to reincarnate relatively close to the site of their previous lives.
The other possibility is that proximity/familiarity triggers past life memories in those who just happen to be born into their old neighbourhoods. This would of course skew drastically any conclusions we might draw from the relevant research.
 
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Homeopathic medicine must be phoney if you assume materialism. If you don't make that assumption, things aren't as clear cut. Certainly I can tell you from personal experience, acupncture is useful.
I get confused with the whole materialism non materialism thing. Personally i think anything that exists is physical in one way or another bearing in mind things can be temporarily distorted and misunderstood. Is a thought not physical?
Homeopathy also seems pretty physical to me as in a very small (homeopathic) amount of poison triggers an immune (or whatever it is called) response, which gives us a boost.
Acupunture works too. Stimulates/calms the body (in very precise ways if done well) with direct intervention
 
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What exactly was Fleming convicted for?

My partner and I are not vaccinated, and since we are both over 70, we have obviously considered the risks and counter-risks rather carefully.

David
I'm in that boat too - been looking for my demographic amongst the protesters in clips from around the world for some comfort.
 
#16
I'm in that boat too - been looking for my demographic amongst the protesters in clips from around the world for some comfort.
Your demographic? Please put my mind at rest as i dont read everybody's posts. Didnt Atone pull you up for calling yourself Eccles who if i remember correctly was supposed to be some satanic piece of shit and linked to Crawley (satanic ritual abuse cult and currently reincarnated and being chopped up in hell imo) but a blatantly evil piece of shite whatever way you look at it.
Forgive me if i have misunderstood but could you expand on what exactly is your demographic and what the name Eccles means to you?
 
#17
Your demographic? Please put my mind at rest as i dont read everybody's posts. Didnt Atone pull you up for calling yourself Eccles who if i remember correctly was supposed to be some satanic piece of shit and linked to Crawley (satanic ritual abuse cult and currently reincarnated and being chopped up in hell imo) but a blatantly evil piece of shite whatever way you look at it.
Forgive me if i have misunderstood but could you expand on what exactly is your demographic and what the name Eccles means to you?
Look at the post above instead of foaming at the mouth. You're pretty suspect imo
 
#18
I'm in that boat too - been looking for my demographic amongst the protesters in clips from around the world for some comfort.
At our age we know our years are numbered, and I find that can provide a certain clarity - particularly if you take the evidence that consciousness survives death at all seriously. I always say I think survival after death is probable but not certain. I think that position has the advantage of being probably right, without the industrial-strength believing that Christians need to do.

I suspect that the COVID bug has been exaggerated and distorted out of all recognition - Prince Charles is a year older than me, and he got it near the start of the panic. The BBC said there was nothing to worry about because he had a strong constitution - and sure enough he recovered after a few days at home.

We also take vitamins C and D, which are reckoned to strengthen the immune system and prevent you getting it, or reduce its severity.

David
 
#19
At our age we know our years are numbered, and I find that can provide a certain clarity - particularly if you take the evidence that consciousness survives death at all seriously. I always say I think survival after death is probable but not certain. I think that position has the advantage of being probably right, without the industrial-strength believing that Christians need to do.

I suspect that the COVID bug has been exaggerated and distorted out of all recognition - Prince Charles is a year older than me, and he got it near the start of the panic. The BBC said there was nothing to worry about because he had a strong constitution - and sure enough he recovered after a few days at home.

We also take vitamins C and D, which are reckoned to strengthen the immune system and prevent you getting it, or reduce its severity.

David
Amen to all of that. It's about time on distance eh.
Charles is well known for his alternative remedies and who could deny him.
Got the vitamins and minerals - check
And if being a holdout becomes untenable I'll take their stupid vaccine, besides, reports of the next life make this one sound like hell.
I just have to withstand the opprobrium of my nurse girlfriend who was vaxed early on.
Not that she's in a position to have seen any covid...
 
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Does it cause any concern for you that the first two of the doctor's I googled (Mercola and Fleming) appear to have some rather dubious backgrounds? Fleming is a two time convicted felon for medical fraud and Mercola has built a $100m net worth largely based on natural health cures/remedies and anti-vaccine propaganda.

Maybe the other 8 docs are all bonafide, non-conflicted truth seekers.

Or, maybe it doesn't matter if what they're saying confirms one's biases?
Googled? Is that All you DO??
 
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