Steve Bierman, Hypnosis and NLP in the ER |570|

The simulation thing is much more complicated and there's some legitimately smart people on all sides of the issue, ultimately the theory is a fail because Consciousness has been shown to be outside of time and space. more later

Any metaphysical analogy has its limits of usefulness, but the question is: does simulation theory have any usefulness? I think it does.

A simulation is something that is similar to something else... it is a kind of mirror. The image staring back at you is a simulacrum. Why is a mirror such a powerful symbol of consciousness? Because reality and consciousness are fundamentally about similarity / difference and where to draw the boundary between the two... self / other and where to draw the boundary between the two... and also about truth / deception. The act of perception is also a creative act of boundary drawing.

A truth is a symbolic map, a replica, an image, a simulacrum that is useful in achieving a goal. A falsehood is one that prevents you from achieving a goal or it manipulates you into achieving someone else's goal.

A simulation could be built for the purpose of exploration without consequences, for learning, for mapping, for learning on a different time/space scale, for fun, and also for deception.

Since reality is a nested holographic set of patterns (as above so below), and since we are creating worlds within our world, it makes sense that we would be in a world within a world.

And then there are aspects of quantum physics, cosmology, and parapsychology that could find a more nuanced explanation when analogized to the components of our computer simulations.

The limit of the usefulness of simulation hypothesis is of course in the fact that it is an infinite loop or infinite regress. (Who built the simulation? Who built the simulation within that simulation? Is it simulations all the way down?) But this is a problem for any metaphysical analogy. If we are in the dream of a dreamer, who is dreaming up that dreamer? The conclusion which can be arrived at from various directions is that All is within you even while you are infinitely small within All... a Mobius strip reality... so then all of our technology projecting power and knowledge outward is simultaneously providing a more nuanced exploration and understanding of our own inner consciousness.

Consciousness has been shown to be outside of time and space.

Outside / inside / boundary between the two. Where is this space outside of space where consciousness resides? Simulation provides an analogy in which such a statement makes sense.
 
Re: Sim Theory
Humans went from riding horseback to sharing hd videos via handheld computers over a satellite internet connection, within a span of 200 years.
If you’re not seeing human-existence-simulation as ‘possible’, how far into the future are you extrapolating? 100 years only? 500?
 
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Alex must be praying to the Satanic worshippers again (I joke of course!)
I just got hit with the two things he doesn't believe in. COVID (3rd time) and Global Warming (Hurricane Fiona). Luckily I'm recovering from both.
You should really look at the numbers we now have after a couple of years demonstrating how many lives the vaccine saved.
It's almost as if.... wait for it... vaccinations are a good idea in concept!
:)
J

Very glad to hear you're doing well Jack. I pray you have a full speedy recovery, and I'm grateful to hear your symptoms have been manageable.

Back to the other kind of jabs (the heckling kind),

In Canada are you still allowed to talk against the CCP? or is Canada considered incorporated into mainland China?
If you can't say anything just blink once for positive and twice for negative:
How do you view the CCP? Positive or Negative?

If you're interested here's the recent episode of Charlie Robinsons Macroaggressions podcast wherein they're discussing CCP genocide and organ harvesting of the Falon Gong and Uyghurs, with which apparently Planned Parenthood, Bill Gates, and Pfizer are directly involved. Very interesting
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/macroaggressions/id1501964274
#267: The Secret Struggle Of The Falun Gong | Mitchell Gerber
 
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Alex must be praying to the Satanic worshippers again (I joke of course!)
I just got hit with the two things he doesn't believe in. COVID (3rd time) and Global Warming (Hurricane Fiona). Luckily I'm recovering from both.
You should really look at the numbers we now have after a couple of years demonstrating how many lives the vaccine saved.
It's almost as if.... wait for it... vaccinations are a good idea in concept!
:)
J
Jack, could you honestly say that without the PCR test you could distinguish your 'COVID' attack from the many other bugs that infected me, and probably you too over the years. I now take 3000 units of vitamin D3 daily, and I have only had one brief sore throat over the whole pandemic.

Everybody believes that hurricanes happen, some of us don't believe they have anything at all to do with atmospheric CO2.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery from whatever you have!

David
 
Any metaphysical analogy has its limits of usefulness, but the question is: does simulation theory have any usefulness? I think it does.

A simulation is something that is similar to something else... it is a kind of mirror. The image staring back at you is a simulacrum. Why is a mirror such a powerful symbol of consciousness? Because reality and consciousness are fundamentally about similarity / difference and where to draw the boundary between the two... self / other and where to draw the boundary between the two... and also about truth / deception. The act of perception is also a creative act of boundary drawing.

A truth is a symbolic map, a replica, an image, a simulacrum that is useful in achieving a goal. A falsehood is one that prevents you from achieving a goal or it manipulates you into achieving someone else's goal.

A simulation could be built for the purpose of exploration without consequences, for learning, for mapping, for learning on a different time/space scale, for fun, and also for deception.

Since reality is a nested holographic set of patterns (as above so below), and since we are creating worlds within our world, it makes sense that we would be in a world within a world.

And then there are aspects of quantum physics, cosmology, and parapsychology that could find a more nuanced explanation when analogized to the components of our computer simulations.

The limit of the usefulness of simulation hypothesis is of course in the fact that it is an infinite loop or infinite regress. (Who built the simulation? Who built the simulation within that simulation? Is it simulations all the way down?) But this is a problem for any metaphysical analogy. If we are in the dream of a dreamer, who is dreaming up that dreamer? The conclusion which can be arrived at from various directions is that All is within you even while you are infinitely small within All... a Mobius strip reality... so then all of our technology projecting power and knowledge outward is simultaneously providing a more nuanced exploration and understanding of our own inner consciousness.



Outside / inside / boundary between the two. Where is this space outside of space where consciousness resides? Simulation provides an analogy in which such a statement makes sense.
I'm saying that evidence of consciousness outside of space-time ( even something as basic as radin presentiment experiment) stretch the limits of an AI/computer based simulation. you can only stretch the metaphor so far [[cb]]

Don't you help us get a guest for this show. who would you suggest? Who do you know?
 
I'm saying that evidence of consciousness outside of space-time ( even something as basic as radin presentiment experiment) stretch the limits of an AI/computer based simulation. you can only stretch the metaphor so far [[cb]]

In a computer simulation, there is the space-time of the sim and then there is the space-time outside of it... they can run on different clock speeds... If you are say... training an AI agent to accomplish a goal within an environment, you could run that simulation millions of times in just a few seconds or minutes. You can revert to a previous saved state and run the sim differently with different variables to see how it unfolds... Two distant points in the space-time of the simulation are simultaneously accessible from outside the simulation.

If your brain and perceptive hardware are being generated by the same network (God's GAN) that is generating the computer and the images in the presentiment experiment... ?

BTW, I just googled "God's GAN" because I thought I coined that term and wanted to see if it was used elsewhere... turns out the Hebrew word for garden is GAN... so Genesis says the God(s) made a GAN (Garden) and put the man in it! So another layer of meaning that I wasn't even aware of... The Garden is the GAN is the simulation. :) Also, Stephen King called the god in his universe Gan.

Generative Adversarial Network... that about sums up reality. Creation, competition/destruction, communication/unification.

Don't you help us get a guest for this show. who would you suggest? Who do you know?

Elon Musk! I'll ask him next time I see him around town... we use the same post office... lol

Next names that comes to mind: Stephen Wolfram, Lex Fridman, and there was a guest on Lex's show some time ago I thought had original thoughts, Joscha Bach... although he's probably too materialist leaning.

That's all I can think of at the moment...
 
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Any metaphysical analogy has its limits of usefulness, but the question is: does simulation theory have any usefulness? I think it does.
And I would agree — even on an entirely pragmatic perspective. For example, if we were to discover that this realm is indeed run on some larger system, then that changes the whole map.

From the perspective of the construct ( the simulator ) there's no such thing as distance. It's just coordinates. So if we knew for certain that this realm is such a construct, and there were some way to interface with the operating system that runs it, then stuff like instantaneous transportation anywhere within this realm is a possibility — goodbye to the barrier of lightspeed. And that's just the beginning of the possible superpowers.
 
And I would agree — even on an entirely pragmatic perspective. For example, if we were to discover that this realm is indeed run on some larger system, then that changes the whole map.

From the perspective of the construct ( the simulator ) there's no such thing as distance. It's just coordinates. So if we knew for certain that this realm is such a construct, and there were some way to interface with the operating system that runs it, then stuff like instantaneous transportation anywhere within this realm is a possibility — goodbye to the barrier of lightspeed. And that's just the beginning of the possible superpowers.

Yes, there are the rules the physics engine generates and then there are the rules of the operating system that govern the physics engine. Science has been studying the product of the physics engine but eventually this leads to the investigation of the operating system and if THAT can be hacked... Psi could be thought of as evolutionarily learning to hack the operating system.

Interesting how in this open AI simulation the agents being trained find novel ways to "hack" the rules of the game... what if the trend continued and they learned that instead of accepting the rules of the environment in which they found themselves, they could close their simulated eyes and shift some coordinates in the RAM and flip some bits in such a way as to teleport across the map?

 
Yes, there are the rules the physics engine generates and then there are the rules of the operating system that govern the physics engine. Science has been studying the product of the physics engine but eventually this leads to the investigation of the operating system and if THAT can be hacked... Psi could be thought of as evolutionarily learning to hack the operating system.

Interesting how in this open AI simulation the agents being trained find novel ways to "hack" the rules of the game... what if the trend continued and they learned that instead of accepting the rules of the environment in which they found themselves, they could close their simulated eyes and shift some coordinates in the RAM and flip some bits in such a way as to teleport across the map?


Interesting how the hiders didn't take the few seconds advantage to trap the the seekers by surrounding them with walls. Or just run away outside the boundaries ( lol )
 
Fascinating recent interview with David Icke. He's too dogmatic imo, but he's such a great communicator and his work thought-provoking...

In some ways he's saying essentially what I've been saying, that we shouldn't assume NDEs are the ultimate reality, that the NDE realm also could be subject to manipulations by entities

My 'gripe' about Icke is that the majority of his broadcasts are designed to cause outrage. I understand that he is getting people's attention. However, he seems to understate the 'answer' - it's almost like an afterthought.
 
In a computer simulation, there is the space-time of the sim and then there is the space-time outside of it... they can run on different clock speeds... If you are say... training an AI agent to accomplish a goal within an environment, you could run that simulation millions of times in just a few seconds or minutes. You can revert to a previous saved state and run the sim differently with different variables to see how it unfolds... Two distant points in the space-time of the simulation are simultaneously accessible from outside the simulation.
This is what I mean by stretching the metaphor [[cb]]

I think it quickly degrades into Infinite regress.

Next names that comes to mind: Stephen Wolfram, Lex Fridman, and there was a guest on Lex's show some time ago I thought had original thoughts, Joscha Bach... although he's probably too materialist leaning.

That's all I can think of at the moment...

Happy to have any of these folks on skeptiko. please initiate contact on my behalf. I will follow up if they're down for the dialogue.
 
I think it quickly degrades into Infinite regress.

Would you expect the narrative of all reality to be finite? Would you expect it to be less than infinite?

If it is infinite, then no one can wrap up the story and put a bow on it, but what we can do is describe the circular pattern of patterns that repeats on all scales.

And it goes like this: Similarity/Difference, choice about placing the boundary between the two which creates structure, a goal that motivates that choice, a lack or a frustration that creates the goal, a delay between goal initiation and fulfillment that creates time, structure provides the delay/frustration that enables the goal origination/fulfillment process which leads to choices which create boundaries which define the structure.

Mathematics provides the "bones" of reality... the set of all possible patterns. Upon those bones, "Will" beginning as randomness and evolving into complex structure and feedback loops provides the "flesh" of reality as reality is an exploration of the edge of computable and non-computable spaces... a.k.a. free choice within a framework that provides limitations resulting in options to choose from.

So yes it is an infinite regress, an alternation of entities with agency and structures they/we have created. Stories within stories, plans within plans.

Happy to have any of these folks on skeptiko. please initiate contact on my behalf. I will follow up if they're down for the dialogue.

I'll see what I can do...
 
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Very glad to hear you're doing well Jack. I pray you have a full speedy recovery, and I'm grateful to hear your symptoms have been manageable.

Back to the other kind of jabs (the heckling kind),

In Canada are you still allowed to talk against the CCP? or is Canada considered incorporated into mainland China?
If you can't say anything just blink once for positive and twice for negative:
How do you view the CCP? Positive or Negative?

If you're interested here's the recent episode of Charlie Robinsons Macroaggressions podcast wherein they're discussing CCP genocide and organ harvesting of the Falon Gong and Uyghurs, with which apparently Planned Parenthood, Bill Gates, and Pfizer are directly involved. Very interesting
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/macroaggressions/id1501964274
#267: The Secret Struggle Of The Falun Gong | Mitchell Gerber

I had to think for a moment (Still feeling weak from the damned COVID). But, no one likes China here. Trudeau still has to walk back his comments he made without thinking in the past. As far as Canadians feel, China has always been more dangerous than Russia for the long-term. That may have changed a little recently as they MSM pumps Ukraine War 24/7, but we're all aware everyone who is of Chinese descent is absolutely able to be pressured to do something against the nation from threats to family at their home. Canadian secret service and RCMP have arrested several folks in the past couple of years engaged in espionage in the universities.
People give Trudeau far too much credit as some kind of Great Reset guy. He's a corporatist with a social justice streak. That's all.
Most Canadians are also pretty ticked at the TPP too.
J
 
Happy to have any of these folks on skeptiko. please initiate contact on my behalf. I will follow up if they're down for the dialogue.
Can you post the Skeptiko promo attachments that you also sent to Prof Gavin Flood?
You know, the half dozen screenshots showing skeptiko in the top 0.5% most popular podcasts and the list of guests

I found that promo material really impressive. Others here, when they're asking a prospective guest could then attach the promo material in an email
 
Icke has lost a ton of credibility with the covid-19 thing. I've cut him way too much slack in the past.

I agree. So long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Icke has been spectacularly accurate on so many other things for decades now.
 
Since we've been talking about what synchronicities could be / what they might reveal about the reality of existence, here's something I just shared on the Brothers of the Serpent discord:

Last night I went on a date with a young Australian woman. We'd met randomly at a restaurant the evening before. The subsequent evening, during our date, she told me that she'd just finished her honours degree specialising in ancient history...
That caught my attention (and she didn't know I'm a historian)...
Then she said that her speciality is the Roman emperor Vespasian and the Flavian dynasty. I was stunned, because that's what I'd been researching full-time for months!!...

Not to get into details, but we spent the whole night together, oscillating between unbelievable physical attraction and intectual attraction.
 
Can you post the Skeptiko promo attachments that you also sent to Prof Gavin Flood?
You know, the half dozen screenshots showing skeptiko in the top 0.5% most popular podcasts and the list of guests

I found that promo material really impressive. Others here, when they're asking a prospective guest could then attach the promo material in an email
Send it to you via email.
 
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