Steven Snider, Parapolitical QAnon |529|

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However, it is not quite as scandalous and awful as real pedophilic rings. In many countries it wouldn't be illegal at all and some of the clients were from those countries.
If the circumstances were "not quite as scandalous and awful as real pedophilic rings" then none of these would be necessary:
-Jeff Epstein kill himself
-Jeff Epstein be killed
-Jeff Epstein be dissappeared (with dummy lookalike on stretcher)
 
#62
If the circumstances were "not quite as scandalous and awful as real pedophilic rings" then none of these would be necessary:
-Jeff Epstein kill himself
-Jeff Epstein be killed
-Jeff Epstein be dissappeared (with dummy lookalike on stretcher)
Baloney. Suicide is common enough among a myriad of disgraced elites (and non-elites); rightfully and wrongly disgraced for that matter.

Sort of back to Eric's point. Epstein's death may have been a homicide. But unless you can prove that in a court of law, don't go around asserting it as fact. Seems so simple a thing.
 
#63
If the circumstances were "not quite as scandalous and awful as real pedophilic rings" then none of these would be necessary:
-Jeff Epstein kill himself
-Jeff Epstein be killed
-Jeff Epstein be dissappeared (with dummy lookalike on stretcher)
I think Epstein was at least helped to commit suicide, if not outright murdered.

The underaged girls are scandalous enough in the USA to ruin a politician's career. My point about the girls was more on a relative moral level.

That said, it may have been the deals that were more threatening to the elites involved - or, more likely, the whole package (i.e. the deals, the girls and God knows what else not yet revealed).

Epstein may have been given enough rope to hang himself in jail (literally). I can see how his inevitable fate in prison could drive him to suicide.

OTOH, he may have been killed. There is enough in the circumstances of his death to suggest that is what happened. Enough to go to court? Apparently not. The American mafia (La Cosa Nostra) does plenty of in your face killings, but usually there isn't quite enough to bring a case. The FBI is quite sure who killed Hoffa (Detroit's Cosa Nostra family) and why, how, where, etc. (the body was incinerated a half hour after the killing and will never be found), but it can't be proven in court.So the case remains "unsolved",officially. What are you going to do? Suspend our system justice and convict on hearsay, circumstantial evidence and gut feelings? That's a slippery slope we cannot go down.

Mobsters have said over and over that murder is the easiest crime to get away with if you and your co-conspirators know how to do it and how to keep quiet.

I don't think anyone has a handle on the who, why, how of Epstein's death. Too many suspects/too many motives (many probably unknown at this time). Perhaps the FBI is covering for some the-layers.That wouldn't surprise me. However, all of that is unknown. I wouldn't leap to CTs right now.
 
#64
Can we all agree that the elites have the wherewithal to let their predilections run wild.?

We could then argue about whether or not the plebs should indulge in speculation...

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#65
Can we all agree that the elites have the wherewithal to let their predilections run wild.?

We could then argue about whether or not the plebs should indulge in speculation...

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The focus on elites is a CT predilection and a false emphasis.

I know plenty of working class people that regularly indulge in all manner of criminal activity and immoral vices. Most registered sex offenders are from trailer parks and regular neighborhoods and small towns.

So yeah, to the extent that elites are human and humans are given to these sins, we can speculate about that.
 
#66
Not what I meant.

perhaps some word pictures

Psycho and socio path

Power

Private islands

Private jets

Private yachts

Private estates

Private castles

Private offshore ...



Trailer park...?
Some bad stuff going on for sure but not tooooo many possibilities to let predilections run Wild
 
#67
Some bad stuff going on for sure but not tooooo many possibilities to let predilections run Wild
Well, could you please define "run wild" and then explain how you see running wild as being of particular concern.

I don't see how the psychopath among elites running wild could be any worse than psychopaths among the working class masses. How is meaningfully different for a child to be molested in the trailer next door versus in a room in mansion?
 
#70
I don't think anyone's ideas are failing to be explored. I do think the consequences of the exploration, when the ideas prove valid, are mitigated because the offenders are in power and aren't going to arrest themselves. The kooky invalid CTs give these offenders cover in the public eye. That is a problem. The public could vote the offenders - or their elected masters- out of office and probably would if the offenders weren't able to hide behind the kooky CT smoke screen. That is why I object so strenuously to all these sketchy CTs and "where there's smoke there's fire/you just gotta believe" mentality. If you don't have evidence that would hold up in court - or at least a grand jury - then knock it off. You're not helping. Quite the opposite.




No surprise for me. IMO, the island was not "dedicated" to pedophilia. I think it was dedicated to all kinds of pleasures that helped create an atmosphere where elites could relax and deals could be made. IMO, deal making was the reason d'être. The girls were just one of many types of party favors. I do note that the girls were not kidnapped children being involuntarily abused. These girls, 16 years old going on 30, wanted to be there. That doesn't make it ok. Personally I think it is sick and wrong. However, it is not quite as scandalous and awful as real pedophilic rings. In many countries it wouldn't be illegal at all and some of the clients were from those countries.
I think at least one victim was 13 at the time of the offence. A girl may not have been kidnapped, but fed some cock and bull story about serving drinks and dancing before VIP men, and then once on the island, with no easy method of escape, more pressure could be applied.

You added COVID to your list of probable scandals. Obviously any CT about this subject is going to be somewhat vague. The only way to prize some truth out of the NHS (in Britain) would be if MPs took the matter up in a serious way. As it is, the NHS just stonewalls on questions such as the number of cycles used for the tests. There is no valid reason that I can think of, why that kind of information should be kept secret.

David
 
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I think at least one victim was 13 at the time of the offence. A girl may not have been kidnapped, but fed some cock and bull story about serving drinks and dancing before VIP men, and then once on the island, with no easy method of escape, more pressure could be applied.

You added COVID to your list of probable scandals. Obviously any CT about this subject is going to be somewhat vague. The only way to prize some truth out of the NHS (in Britain) would be if MPs took the matter up in a serious way. As it is, the NHS just stonewalls on questions such as the number of cycles used for the tests. There is no valid reason that I can think of, why that kind of information should be kept secret.

David
I don't know about the 13 year old. That's pretty bad, if true, but again, no kidnapping, murder, etc. like in the Anneke Lucas story, which I never believed (doesn't add up, timeline issues, inconsistencies and reads to me like an attention seeking personality disorder nut's imaginings cut and pasted from the real experiences of others + some flourishes).

As for covid, the jury is still out in my opinion. Fauci is a lying scum bag. He is already caught lying to congress about gain of function research. The CDC is definitely playing fast and loose with various figures. The media + Fauci propagate the myth that everyone is equally susceptible to a serious or fatal case of covid (clearly not true), that the vaccines will prevent you from contracting and spreading the virus (also clearly not true) - but then the media almost always get its reporting materially wrong. The very politicians that insist on masks, etc are photo out and about at functions and gatherings with no masks - how serious can they be?.

So is this covid phenomena a case of group hysteria/shared psychosis with opportunists moving in for personal/political gain and furthering the madness in the process? Or was it planned out (a true conspiracy) from day one. Like I said, I don't know. I'm leaning toward the former with some conspiracies forming later to take advantage of the situation. Fauci lied about gain of function, but maybe that's just normal lying to protect himself from a media and possible legal onslaught. Just because he was engaged in gain of function work doesn't mean he wanted the virus deliberately released. I would think they would have released something more deadly if the release was deliberate. But, who knows.

Insurance companies in the US have ample proof to support what I say above and much more that is damaging to the official (CDC/Fauci) narrative. However, group think pressure - basically from the media and the govt (there is so much regulation that the govt could crush us in a heartbeat) - keeps us silent. I doubt the govt will ever come clean unless republicans take back congress and the Whitehouse - which I think they will in 2022 and 2024. Then some of the nonsense might be exposed.
 
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I don't know about the 13 year old. That's pretty bad, if true, but again, no kidnapping, murder, etc. like in the Anneke Lucas story, which I never believed (doesn't dd up, timeline issues, inconsistencies and reads to me like an attention seeking personality disorder nut's imaginings cut and pasted from the real experiences of others + some flourishes).

As for covid, the jury is still out in my opinion. Fauci is a lying scum bag. He is already caught lying to congress about gain of function research. The CDC is definitely playing fast and loose with various figures. The media + Fauci propagate the myth that everyone is equally susceptible to a serious or fatal case of covid (clearly not true), that the vaccines will prevent you from contracting and spreading the virus (also clearly not true) - but then the media almost always get its reporting materially wrong. The very politicians that insist on masks, etc are photo out and about at functions and gatherings with no masks - how serious can they be?.

So is this covid phenomena a case of group hysteria/shared psychosis with opportunists moving in for personal/political gain and furthering the madness in the process? Or was it planned out (a true conspiracy) from day one. Like I said, I don't know. I'm leaning toward the former with some conspiracies forming later to take advantage of the situation. Fauci lied about gain of function, but maybe that's just normal lying to protect himself from a media and possible legal onslaught. Just because he was engaged in gain of function work doesn't mean he wanted the virus deliberately released. I would think they would have released something more deadly if the release was deliberate. But, who knows.

Insurance companies in the US have ample proof to support what I say above and much more that is damaging to the official (CDC/Fauci) narrative. However, group think pressure - basically from the media and the govt (there is so much regulation that the govt could crush us in a heartbeat) - keeps us silent. I doubt the govt will ever come clean unless republicans take back congress and the Whitehouse - which I think they will in 2022 and 2024. Then some of the nonsense might be exposed.
Or, then again, maybe the move against the hysteria has already begun - https://fortune.com/2021/11/11/mode...accine-acknowledges-heart-risks-in-young-men/
 
#73
Great interview. Steven is level headed and relatively well informed.

That said, I find Alex's thinking disturbing. "Where there's smoke there's fire" and "You just gotta believe that there's all these connections"? Really? That's not anything like close to science. Worse, it's dangerous. It obfuscates reasoned understanding and corrodes societal cohesion, which just happens to be one of the goals of psi-ops/info-ops.

What if someone accused Alex of being a misinformation agent because, well you know, there are such things and he has a forum and he's attacking societal institutions? It must be true! Where there's smoke, there's fire. Who's he working for? The Chinese? Russians?

Or people have herpes. There's lots of herpes in California. So Alex has herpes! Silly, but that is CT thinking in a nutshell.

Terrible and stupid, right? Why do the same to others then?

It's terrible to accuse Comet Pizza of torturing children in the basement when there is no evidence that the place even has a basement, let alone kidnapped kids in it, just because there is such a thing as pedophilic rings and Podesta and Clinton have sick friends. How can anyone seriously make that leap. It does explain my gripe about The Finders and Alex's accusation that it was a CIA operation. I could never understand how his "evidence" forced that conclusion. Now I get it. We just "have to believe".

What if law enforcement and the judicial thought that way?

More observations;

A comment or statement often made by CTers - "He is a former Intelligence officer"!!!!!!!!

Steven correctly alluded to the issue with that "evidence" (former intel). There are a gazillion people who were "in" intelligence; many were pimple faced kids doing everything from cryptology to cartology to scout snipers to filing international cables. Intelligence covers a wide range of mostly mundane, but classified, activities. There are hordes of analysts who sit in a cubicle working on very specific and limited scope product. There are officers who are in the field, overwhelmingly, in foreign countries, trying to gather intelligence and recruit foreigners to provide the same. That is what the CIA does 99% of the time. IC People stay in their lane and anything outside of it is on a limited need to know basis. That never stops people from guessing and gossiping about the bigger picture, but I don't consider guessing and gossip to be evidence, although I note that CTists do. Stargate, btw, was a DIA project, not CIA. The DIA dropped it and the CIA picked it up only in the early 90s.

I've heard it said that Gloria Steinem was a CIA officer. No, she wasn't. She was recruited as a source by the CIA to provide information and to perform a role. She was never "in"the CIA. There are many people that the CIA convinces to agree to cooperate with them. Again, that's what they do. But those sources have little to no idea what the bigger picture is.

Loved Steven's comments about co-opting. Right. Try to guide organically forming movements that might pose a threat. Or at least try to understand them by gain insider info.

So I am not impressed by anyone claiming validity because they were "in"intelligence unless the topic is specifically one they were assigned to and they were at a level where they would be making decisions based on collating data/product from many desks.

People - including former military and IC - tell stories to make themselves appear more relevant or interesting - or because it's fun and that's what people do. Again, at best they are probably guessing at what was happening unless they worked on that specific issue for some time and at a high level. Then they are unlikely to reveal classified info and end up telling a story anyhow; or just not talking. Much truth to those who know, stay silent and those who do not run their mouths.

We, as humans, are first and foremost story tellers. Being a former member of the IC makes for fertile grounds for story telling. The veil of mystery and Hollywood depictions intrigues people. Everyone wants to hear interesting tales and become "in the know". You can get a lot of free beer that way; or maybe talk circuit gigs or book deals if you're more ambitious and less circumspect.

CTists don't always follow their own own smoke = fire philosophy. For example, 9/11. Islamic terrorists like to blow stuff up. They declared war on the US. They tried to blow up the towers in 1993. They were attacking US embassies with bombs, US military installations and ships all through the 90s. Lots of smoke (literally) there, but somehow it doesn't =fire for the CTists. Nope.Must of been "The Jews" or our own government. Crazy - people are story tellers and the world is an ink blot test. They see the patterns they want to (or have to based on their psychology).

Is Q-anon an info op? Most certainly. I like what Steven had to say about that. Info op by whom? A lot of that stuff is coming from the political parties and their hired guns in the political marketing and PR sector. Mostly democrat/Clinton sponsored, but some conservative crap too- or it could be an organically developed myth born of people's need to make sense of big confusing world. A collective subconscious kind of thing. Prophets alway arise in times of trouble and need.

I have some bad news for all of us, but especially CTists - that is, there is no one in charge, no master minds, no cabals, no geniuses controlling and directing everything. There are just people taking care of their own interests, which may, or may not, align with yours or mine. They fight each other just as we all we all conflict. No one can herd the cats, though some may try - and fail. Some step up and try to run things, some keep their heads downs and follow orders and some go 1%er rogue. No one has "the big picture" because the big picture is too big and its madnesses (from a physical human standpoint). CTists want there to be godlike figures. They just want them to be benevolent, but see them as malevolent because bad things happening the world. Get over it. It's just life and people doing what life and people do. It's always been that way and always will be. No one is running the show.
Forgive me for being ignorant about the acronym, but what the fuck is a "CT"? Does that mean conspiracy thinker? I think that you are important on this forum because you very eloquently lay out counter arguments. Are there dungeons underneath Comet Pizza? I don't know, probably not with torches and all that cool shit....rod iron gates and so forth. If anything, it would have been something like what we saw in the move "Pulp Fiction." It is a basement with a Gimp and a bit of butt fucking and so forth. I kind of agree with Alex concerning the "smoke and fire" analogy, but it should probably rephrased in these situations: where there are fart smells there could be butt fucking. In this way, we remain open minded to many circumstances.
 
#75
Forgive me for being ignorant about the acronym, but what the fuck is a "CT"? Does that mean conspiracy thinker? I think that you are important on this forum because you very eloquently lay out counter arguments. Are there dungeons underneath Comet Pizza? I don't know, probably not with torches and all that cool shit....rod iron gates and so forth. If anything, it would have been something like what we saw in the move "Pulp Fiction." It is a basement with a Gimp and a bit of butt fucking and so forth. I kind of agree with Alex concerning the "smoke and fire" analogy, but it should probably rephrased in these situations: where there are fart smells there could be butt fucking. In this way, we remain open minded to many circumstances.
Yes, Shane, "CT" =conspiracy theory.

And yes, there are dungeons under Comet where extremely evil shit goes down every day. The first layer is where they have the anchovy tanks. They raise the foul tasting little bastards right there.But there's something far worse, almost unspeakable, on the next level down. They hydroponically grow pineapples under LED lights that they actually harvest and put on pizza. Now some you degenerates might think that sounds tasty, but that only serves to prove how far your soul (and taste buds) have rotted.

So far no kids in cages. Not there anyhow. A few on our SW border, but mostly in China, the Middle East and Africa- and wherever else Muslims and commies are found. Some are slaves and some are to be sold as wives to old, mean, fat, bearded guys (the muslims). Now I'm a racist? When Epstein, a Jew, does it, it's a horrible crime. When Muslims do it, well, I guess I need to shut up and get with the program.

Eh, what the hell......

.....Is Islam a giant pedophilic ring? The prophet had a nine year old wife after all.Can we say that? Did the CIA create Mohammad to help establish pedophilic rings?

It's all confusing, really. So hard to be a virtue signally moral posturing watch dog these days if you're cursed with self-awareness and a sense of irony.
 
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Yes, Shane, "CT" =conspiracy theory.

And yes, there are dungeons under Comet where extremely evil shit goes down every day. The first layer is where they have the anchovy tanks. They raise the foul tasting little bastards right there.But there's something far worse, almost unspeakable, on the next level down. They hydroponically grow pineapples under LED lights that they actually harvest and put on pizza. Now some you degenerates might think that sounds tasty, but that only serves to prove how far your soul (and taste buds) have rotted.

So far no kids in cages. Not there anyhow. A few on our SW border, but mostly in China, the Middle East and Africa- and wherever else Muslims and commies are found. Some are slaves and some are to be sold as wives to old, mean, fat, bearded guys (the muslims). Now I'm a racist? When Epstein, a Jew, does it, it's a horrible crime. When Muslims do it, well, I guess I need to shut up and get with the program.

Eh, what the hell......

.....Is Islam a giant pedophilic ring? The prophet had a nine year old wife after all.Can we say that? Did the CIA create Mohammad to help establish pedophilic rings?

It's all confusing, really. So hard to be a virtue signally moral posturing watch dog these days if you're cursed with self-awareness and a sense of irony.
My friend, that was truly laugh out loud, beyond acronym, funny as all hell!

I have been contemplating this podcast thing for a while now. When I set it up, we have to do a round table about this subject matter. I was thinking that CT was either the disease that NFL players got from banging their heads too much, or the name of the machine used to diagnose the disease!

Your theory concerning Muslims, Jews, and pedophile rings does deserve a deep dive (I said deep dive from a long walk off of a short dock, not short flight into a tall building). I didn't know that the blessed prophet Mohammed was marrying 9 year olds. Did he do so because all numbers return to 9? Do you think, through retro-causation, he became infatuated with his 9 year old bride to be through the music of the Beatle's? Specifically, the song "Revolution 9"? Also, do you think there is any connection between Jeffory Epstein, The Beatles, Prince Andrew, and Mohammed's 9 year old wife? Furthermore, do you think that Epstein frequently consumed white fish salad on bagels just for lunch, or did he OMAD(one meal a day) that shit? Also, do you think OMAD has any ties to Ramadan? Is all of this tyranny based upon scum bags that time travel to hump 9 year olds? I know, this is a lot to unpack, but as bold searchers and researchers.......I think that we are up to the challenge!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=beatles+revolution+9&ru=/search?q=beatles+revolution+9&cvid=5f25d6101e1a4d5fa8488bba9ec18629&aqs=edge.3.69i57j0l8.6847j0j9&FORM=ANAB01%
 
#77
My friend, that was truly laugh out loud, beyond acronym, funny as all hell!

I have been contemplating this podcast thing for a while now. When I set it up, we have to do a round table about this subject matter. I was thinking that CT was either the disease that NFL players got from banging their heads too much, or the name of the machine used to diagnose the disease!

Your theory concerning Muslims, Jews, and pedophile rings does deserve a deep dive (I said deep dive from a long walk off of a short dock, not short flight into a tall building). I didn't know that the blessed prophet Mohammed was marrying 9 year olds. Did he do so because all numbers return to 9? Do you think, through retro-causation, he became infatuated with his 9 year old bride to be through the music of the Beatle's? Specifically, the song "Revolution 9"? Also, do you think there is any connection between Jeffory Epstein, The Beatles, Prince Andrew, and Mohammed's 9 year old wife? Furthermore, do you think that Epstein frequently consumed white fish salad on bagels just for lunch, or did he OMAD(one meal a day) that shit? Also, do you think OMAD has any ties to Ramadan? Is all of this tyranny based upon scum bags that time travel to hump 9 year olds? I know, this is a lot to unpack, but as bold searchers and researchers.......I think that we are up to the challenge!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=beatles+revolution+9&ru=/search?q=beatles+revolution+9&cvid=5f25d6101e1a4d5fa8488bba9ec18629&aqs=edge.3.69i57j0l8.6847j0j9&FORM=ANAB01%
LOL. You, my friend, get it and get me. We are very much alike some important ways

The only fundamental question I have about your questions is what if 9 turned out to be 6? We think it's nine, but we've got the paper turned upside down - or we're just on the other side of the table from the guy presenting the figures. Something to explore with my girlfriend. She's good at figuring these things out.

Wait, isn't there a song about that? Yep. If they ever create a movie about me, I'd like it to be the theme song. The background music. Thanks, Jimi!

 
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LOL. You, my friend, get it and get me. We are very much alike some important ways

The only fundamental question I have about your questions is what if 9 turned out to be 6? We think it's nine, but we've got the paper turned upside down - or we're just on the other side of the table from the guy presenting the figures. Something to explore with my girlfriend. She's good at figuring these things out.

Wait, isn't there a song about that? Yep. If they ever create a movie about me, I'd like it to be the theme song. The background music. Thanks, Jimi!

I love Jimi! True rock star! I get that song about 6 turning to 9 for sure. Most people will read it and just think, 69: one person is sucking dick, the other is licking pussy, so that is number 69. Most people automatically hop on that fucking reductionism of everything. However, I don't know if 69 is the same now-a-days, as we have 56 different genders. Yes, we could have retained the 69 as a sexual position with straight, gay, bisexual, and lesbian; but this number just can't cover that anymore. We need numbers written in Chinese to now describe the infinite number of sexual positions involved in LGBTQQIP2SAA etc. etc. What the fuck!?!?! Is sexual orientation like Pi now? Can't we put a line over the third digit, and call it a day, like we do with PI? I can't remember if the symbol above the "4" is a squiggly line or just a straight up line in PI, but can we do the same thing with LGB stuff: L.GB line or squiggly symbol over the B? At this point, are we going to pretend any of this shit is about sex? I think it has something to do with all the fucking tankers sitting off of the coast of California, and the General Mills "supply shortage" signs in my grocery store. Dude, I just CT'd the hell out of that! :)

WAITE, THERE IS MORE! Is 6 and 9 in the damn google logo? Certainly, not at first! Can't we all agree the shit looked like a "Speak and Spell" before all these idiots tried to tweak it into a graphically inferior version of spinning 9's and 6's?

Hell brother, I just might be a kind of conspiracy thinker! Love your posts, and always good to hear from you!
 
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LOL. You, my friend, get it and get me. We are very much alike some important ways

The only fundamental question I have about your questions is what if 9 turned out to be 6? We think it's nine, but we've got the paper turned upside down - or we're just on the other side of the table from the guy presenting the figures. Something to explore with my girlfriend. She's good at figuring these things out.

Wait, isn't there a song about that? Yep. If they ever create a movie about me, I'd like it to be the theme song. The background music. Thanks, Jimi!

There's only one Jimi. The song you referenced is one of my all time favs.
 
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There's only one Jimi. The song you referenced is one of my all time favs.
Agree 100%.

The version I posted is a studio out take. You can't get the final versions on YouTube because the family keeps the copy rights closely guarded.

But you know the tune....nice!

I knew there was a reason I always liked you :)
 
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