Summer is Coming

What SUPERNATURAL ability? You have 7 billion people redesigning the face of the planet. We've nearly fished the oceans empty. We know we've done mass oil spoils, and somehow that our toxic releases in the atmosphere is a bridge too far? How do you figure that?
We have meteorologists using words like "horrifying" as the sky is on fire in Canada in ways we've never seen before and somehow, this is still
"Same as always".

You want to FOLLOW the money? Who is against Global Warming? Oil Companies. The richest corporations in the world.
Who are saying Global Warming is happening? The scientific community globally.
So... somehow universities are wealthier than oil magnates now?

As for actions... FIRST WE HAVE TO AGREE that it's a problem before we can start doing something to reverse it.
Then maybe we can start looking at things like. Why the hell are we boosting up 100-year-old technology?
Tesla was shot down because they couldn't monetize his idea of free energy.
I just watched a movie talking about how the car companies kept catalytic converter technology away from consumers for 15 years.
And somehow we think industry is in the right here and everyone else is wrong?
The fear of socialism in America has done a real disservice to the average American because it's "Capitalism above all baby" is unable to look at the very real problems of capitalism. As was said decades ago by Rush Limbaugh, "The only value a tree has is in cutting it down."

J
 
but right - the scam is meant to move money to the big corporations and away from the ordinary people
People really should stop making these types of "just so" statements; especially when they are demanding supporting evidence from other's claims. (e.g., David's please explain the 1 degree temp change request of Jack.)
 
Yeah, exactly WHICH big corporations make more money than Big Oil that's going to benefit from Global Warming? The all powerful Sierra Club?
 
People really should stop making these types of "just so" statements; especially when they are demanding supporting evidence from other's claims. (e.g., David's please explain the 1 degree temp change request of Jack.)

Well try the histogram found here:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

Does that need any additional explanation?

Yeah, exactly WHICH big corporations make more money than Big Oil that's going to benefit from Global Warming? The all powerful Sierra Club?
Well China makes a lot of money out of selling rare earth elements for the enormous fixed magnets found in wind turbines. BTW, this activity also causes a lot of environmental damage.

Land owners actually charge big money for windmills to be placed on their land.

Whenever any big part of the infrastructure is replaced, there is huge money to be made. Also note that after decades of work, we have not doing anything to prevent fossil fuel consumption:

https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels

Note what this graph is telling you - big oil and coal have not lost anything in the era of green energy because it is just too feeble.

The reason for this is simple. You simply can't provide electric power on a hit or miss basis. Therefore backup generators (usually gas powered) are kept turning ready to take up the slack if needed.

We should thank our lucky stars that CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't do any harm and makes plants grow better, because there wouldn't be anything we could do rapidly to change the situation however hard we worked on it.

Longer term we could build nuclear power stations, or stick with the vast amounts of gas available throughout the world until perhaps fusion power becomes practical. Presumably, that is what will happen when this fad has run out of steam.

David
 
I suppose if you're trying to prove my point on global warming, I thank you.
From your .gov site:
"According to the 2020 Global Climate Report from NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, every month of 2020 except December was in the top four warmest on record for that month. In December, the presence of a moderately strong La Niña event cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean and dampened the global average warmth. The month turned out as "only" the eighth warmest December on record. "
That was last year. This year will be worse.

Why do Climate Change skeptics put all their eggs in the C02 basket? Anyone I know who is aware of climate change hasn't even talked C02 for decades.
When you say "fad". Do you mean when the human species dies out? Because once again dozens are dead for an unprecedented heat "shield" in Canada's west. Canada is the canary in the coal mine. We have the northern passage opened up to ships for the first time in record. We have animals that have migrated north that we've never seen here. We have Forest Rangers claiming world breaking heat and fires from dried out forests. We have even my friends who grew up in Nova Scotia saying, this has never been like this before. This kind of heat is not known in this province.

The suggestion that a SINGLE green energy is not enough is absolutely true.
NOT SO if you utilize a mixture that better reflects the area. In Nova Scotia we have the highest tides, so we have a tide machine that captures energy. In the Middle East solar easily takes care of that. Coasts have turbines (which don't need to have the long arms that kill birds you're so concerned about.) There is geo-thermal. There is small arm turbines in streams, and hydro-electric.
We have PLENTY of opportunities that are MUCH better than working with 100 year old technology thank you very much.
I'm happy to share similar links for you to see.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/07/03/climate-change-heat-dome-death/
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/?page...+desc,+created_at+desc&search=&category=19,98
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55498657

At some point, I'm reminded of the fable of the person who doesn't prepare for winter.
J
 
I suppose if you're trying to prove my point on global warming, I thank you.
From your .gov site:
"According to the 2020 Global Climate Report from NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, every month of 2020 except December was in the top four warmest on record for that month. In December, the presence of a moderately strong La Niña event cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean and dampened the global average warmth. The month turned out as "only" the eighth warmest December on record. "

Nowhere do you address the fact that the magnitude of the change is minute. I know you just take this data from websites that promote this point of view, but how on earth can an average change of 1C have done anything significant? How can it start forest fires for example? If you had a pile of dead twigs and you wanted to light them as a bonfire, would a hair dryer do the trick? Yet that would probably warm the bonfire much more than 1C.

David
 
So you're suggesting that the "heat shield" that is unprecedented somehow represents a "minute" change?
Interesting deduction.
The world raise in temperature is an average. Perhaps. Forbes (that bastion of liberal thinking) can explain for you better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...ge-temperature-is-a-big-deal/?sh=195b1dc55e2a
"Climate change deniers, ‘skeptics’ and ‘lukewarmers’ keep saying one degree Celsius like it’s no big deal. But it’s a very big deal, especially the rapidity with which we are going it. One degree is disruptive. Two degrees is massively disruptive."
 
So you're suggesting that the "heat shield" that is unprecedented somehow represents a "minute" change?
Interesting deduction.
The world raise in temperature is an average. Perhaps. Forbes (that bastion of liberal thinking) can explain for you better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...ge-temperature-is-a-big-deal/?sh=195b1dc55e2a
"Climate change deniers, ‘skeptics’ and ‘lukewarmers’ keep saying one degree Celsius like it’s no big deal. But it’s a very big deal, especially the rapidity with which we are going it. One degree is disruptive. Two degrees is massively disruptive."
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone,[6] a metaphor, allusion and antonomasia of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".

You're just a growth in a niche. Get yourself in perspective
 
Personally i found the interview video a bit longwinded and disagree with some of the 'spiritual' imo assumptions (without wanting rude) mentioned as well as some of the proposed solutions but the article written extracts a good amount of information as to the strategies employed by Gates and cohorts (put mildly as Gates is satanic ritual abuse cult imo and long time associate of Jeffrey Epstein inc after pedo conviction, also without forgetting Gates' role in big pharma, 'big tech and the green/energy revolution', etc) which i think is relative to the discussion in this thread

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...tent&eId=34e07c49-bc58-4487-9c18-1d39fd80352c
 
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What has this to do with this thread?
And I've hated Gates for decades. But I don't see any evidence that he is in some satanic ritual abuse cult.
 
Whatever Jack. For one the post relates to your post #23 in this thread as well pointing out that with all the environmental wellwishing if you are just going to replace tyrants (or at least their front companies) and situations to be manipulated . . . what is the point?
 
Ok am going to try and put one of the 'assumptions' that had signalled at earlier in post #31 in this thread, by the interviewer and interviewee, into a joke :)
I dont know exactly what the answer is which makes it worse and risky for me to even be talking about
Anyway had gone along with for years that the Earth is more feminine, mother earth and all of that. Obviously the feminine and woman is part of everything, nevertheless is noticable that nature including the trees and plants has both male trees and female trees. This may suggest that the Earth brings forth both the sexes hence the terms 'mother Earth', 'Earth mothers' may be about 50% innacurate. Or maybe it is just organic beings that have a sex including trees and plants and the rest is one energy that pervades and also is matter. No need to point that out when they are having their ceremonies lol
Uh oh .. this has brought up an issue . .
some trees and plants can change sex from female to male and vice versa according to environmental conditions. I fought with this knowledge for a bit as i felt that those who think gender dysforia/transgenderism is ok (i dont hate them by any means just dont think it is healthy and shouldn't be encouraged by schools, medical community etc) would use it as a way of propping up their theories. In hindsight though if a tree or plant can change sex and literally bring forth fruit and seed then that is fair enough, and must be a tree and plant thing at times. If a dude without any medical intervention can transform himself naturally to woman who could get pregnant and be like any other woman, i will stop calling him he :) i think that is fair
Happy 4th of July to Americans
 
Ok am going to try and put one of the 'assumptions' that had signalled at earlier in post #31 in this thread, by the interviewer and interviewee, into a joke :)
I dont know exactly what the answer is which makes it worse and risky for me to even be talking about
Anyway had gone along with for years that the Earth is more feminine, mother earth and all of that. Obviously the feminine and woman is part of everything, nevertheless is noticable that nature including the trees and plants has both male trees and female trees. This may suggest that the Earth brings forth both the sexes hence the terms 'mother Earth', 'Earth mothers' may be about 50% innacurate. Or maybe it is just organic beings that have a sex including trees and plants and the rest is one energy that pervades and also is matter. No need to point that out when they are having their ceremonies lol
Uh oh .. this has brought up an issue . .
some trees and plants can change sex from female to male and vice versa according to environmental conditions. I fought with this knowledge for a bit as i felt that those who think gender dysforia/transgenderism is ok (i dont hate them by any means just dont think it is healthy and shouldn't be encouraged by schools, medical community etc) would use it as a way of propping up their theories. In hindsight though if a tree or plant can change sex and literally bring forth fruit and seed then that is fair enough, and must be a tree and plant thing at times. If a dude without any medical intervention can transform himself naturally to woman who could get pregnant and be like any other woman, i will stop calling him he :) i think that is fair
Happy 4th of July to Americans

Again.
Not really part of this thread, however, while I am probably politically a progressive in that I see there is absolutely a need for a healthy government that is responsive to the electorate and should be transparent with an excellent social-democratic partnership (As most rational nations in the world try to maintain), and I think it's fine for everyone to call themselves anything they LIKE in a free society.
Similarly, I don't believe in a free society that requires you to force me through some kind of social control to do the same.
Now back to our normally engaged thread topic of - CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL, ANTHROPOMORPHIC AND HAPPENING IN REAL TIME BEFORE OUR EYES. :)
J
 
Again.
Not really part of this thread, however, while I am probably politically a progressive in that I see there is absolutely a need for a healthy government that is responsive to the electorate and should be transparent with an excellent social-democratic partnership (As most rational nations in the world try to maintain), and I think it's fine for everyone to call themselves anything they LIKE in a free society.
Similarly, I don't believe in a free society that requires you to force me through some kind of social control to do the same.
Now back to our normally engaged thread topic of - CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL, ANTHROPOMORPHIC AND HAPPENING IN REAL TIME BEFORE OUR EYES. :)
J
Maybe, or maybe the Earth is just warming and cooling between ice ages.
Maybe it would be more convincing if things were brought such as lab analyses of air, water, soil etc at different places and regions with the contaminants and a medical analysis of the harm those contaminents can have (either as seperate contaminants or combined number of them) upon people, animals and ecosystem's health, it may be more convincing
There is other stuff too that imo is better convincing evidence that certain practices harm the environment including people than that it is all about the extra centergrade which may be part of a natural process anyway, not to mention big tech with it's fangs out to control the new 'green' economy and what ever else they may have in mind, or the manipulation of carbon laws and offsetting which vastly work in large multinational companies' favour (and would do more so as regulations increased unless something changes), upon small and medium size businesses.
Maybe i haven't looked into the climate change theory enough but it doesnt seem like the best way to put the case for all the pollution and disease that is inflicted on nature including people.
 
If we've learned anything about modern Science from Covid it's two things:

1. Lead Scientists are fully willing to work together to lie about the effectiveness of personal protective equipment.

2. Lead Scientists are fully willing to work together to lie about potential effective treatments.

Those are just two suuuuuper recent examples.... and I'm supposed to believe Lead Scientists wouldn't be willing to work together to lie about the potential of mankind to contribute-to and/or significantly alter the trajectory of planetary climate.
 
Hanlon's Razor needs to be applied liberally here.
If we assume that we're always being lied to, we end up wearing a tin foil hat and putting our own poop in the jars.
Trust but verify is much better than, "They are all lying on purpose!"
 
Lying Always?? Not likely..

Lying When they stand to gain more money and power than the US military if successful?? Absolutely and irrefutably.
Still a set of parameters that can apply almost universally. Science and commerce/money are more often "linkable" than not.

Jack's point is a good one. The position of many here (to immediately distrust mainstream science; the default position) is no more intellectually rigorous than those who blindly trust as their default position.
 
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