Syria and US aggression

Steve said:
An academics view on Syria and the USs shit stirring all over the Middle East (the UK is equally bad)

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Good find, but the problem is we've been here time after time... nothing changes.

I became interested in Geopolitics and the manipulation of the public by the media before I was 10 years old...

...but unless we understand at a very deep level how the publics views are manipulated, nothing can really change.
 
Steve said:
First thing that has to be really acknowledged, is that it is something that really happens. Nothing so blind as those who will not see.
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Aye, but like any other knowledge, this too gets manipulated... I've spent years looking at the issue... and it's very difficult to see how the system can be altered. That's the motivation behind my ideas on Skeptiko...
 
Max_B said:
Aye, but like any other knowledge, this too gets manipulated... I've spent years looking at the issue... and it's very difficult to see how the system can be altered. That's the motivation behind my ideas on Skeptiko...
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Crowd-sourcing is doing the altering. The lack of networking and crowd-sourcing in the last thousands of years has enabled hierarchies to expand unchecked by allowing a few at the top to control the narrative. The internet is allowing a different form of organization, networking/crowd-sourcing, to put a check on hierarchical narrative control.

The internet is effectively putting the global noosphere through an ayahuasca trip that is scrambling the hierarchical left-brain and allowing the wholistic global right-brain to see the patterns of connection and control.
 
Hurmanetar said:
Crowd-sourcing is doing the altering. The lack of networking and crowd-sourcing in the last thousands of years has enabled hierarchies to expand unchecked by allowing a few at the top to control the narrative. The internet is allowing a different form of organization, networking/crowd-sourcing, to put a check on hierarchical narrative control.

The internet is effectively putting the global noosphere through an ayahuasca trip that is scrambling the hierarchical left-brain and allowing the wholistic global right-brain to see the patterns of connection and control.
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But the internet is also the biggest pile of bullshit in the world at the same time. That is an issue. It comes down to what is knowable. Every single source on the internet has a bias. Even witnessing an event first hand brings with a bias filtered through the individual personality.
 
Far.From.Here said:
But the internet is also the biggest pile of bullshit in the world at the same time. That is an issue. It comes down to what is knowable. Every single source on the internet has a bias. Even witnessing an event first hand brings with a bias filtered through the individual personality.
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That's true, but the crowd has a bias that favors the crowd whereas the hierarchical gatekeepers have a bias that benefits them and working together or in opposition they achieve a better synthesis than if the hierarchy maintained exclusive control over the narrative.

The weakness of democracy has been that people are easily manipulated when they don't control the narrative. Authors have the authority regardless elections. When the people are allowed to choose not only their governmental representatives but also their information sources and narratives, then power is truly returned to the people.

I don't think hierarchies are bad as long as they are completely transparent and people have a means to know and criticize everything that goes on therein. The hierarchy will never voluntarily become more transparent, so it requires some rebellion on the part of the people to make it so. Whistleblowers and leakers are doing that, and it's a beautiful thing to see. :)
 
Hurmanetar said:
Crowd-sourcing is doing the altering. The lack of networking and crowd-sourcing in the last thousands of years has enabled hierarchies to expand unchecked by allowing a few at the top to control the narrative. The internet is allowing a different form of organization, networking/crowd-sourcing, to put a check on hierarchical narrative control.

The internet is effectively putting the global noosphere through an ayahuasca trip that is scrambling the hierarchical left-brain and allowing the wholistic global right-brain to see the patterns of connection and control.
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I agree the internet has opened a window... hence the considerable disruption that it has allowed, and goes on allowing... but as the interviewee points out... it's not making the difference that might be expected...
 
Hurmanetar said:
That's true, but the crowd has a bias that favors the crowd whereas the hierarchical gatekeepers have a bias that benefits them and working together or in opposition they achieve a better synthesis than if the hierarchy maintained exclusive control over the narrative.

The weakness of democracy has been that people are easily manipulated when they don't control the narrative. Authors have the authority regardless elections. When the people are allowed to choose not only their governmental representatives but also their information sources and narratives, then power is truly returned to the people.

I don't think hierarchies are bad as long as they are completely transparent and people have a means to know and criticize everything that goes on therein. The hierarchy will never voluntarily become more transparent, so it requires some rebellion on the part of the people to make it so. Whistleblowers and leakers are doing that, and it's a beautiful thing to see. :)
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It's kind of a numbers game also I think. How many people really go to the Corbett Report? (Just as an example of a "news" source that seems legit.) The problem is that the majority of the country is still pretty stunted in the old noggin department. For instance the people around me are picking up soundbites from Trump, but they aren't going to any of the sources and evaluating the stories in any kind of critical manner. So it seem like more spin in a way.

Take my 70+ year old mother in law. The power went out the other week for a couple of hours. It was windy. She asked me if I thought it was a terrorist attack! She has a double house and the guy living next to her is feeding her Alex Jones BS. Now a farmer's wife who should have some semblance of common sense is asking if a power outage is the beginning of the apocalypse basically. Information is all over the map. And non-critcal thinkers are lapping at the old internet dish and swallowing a bit too much methinks.
 
Hurmanetar said:
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But what do we do about it?

It's easy to look back in hindsight and produce a narrative of specific historical issues that tell a story.

But there is no attempt to provide a deeper understanding... as to what is driving these human processes, at a really fundamental level.

I've probably spent the better part of my life, looking at these issues. For whatever reason, as a child in the U.K., I was listening to Russian radio, seeing the obvious problems with the Prudhom killings, watching what happened after the Chinook filled with Northern Irish intelligence officials flew into a hillside etc.

I've never stopped looking for a way to make better sense of what goes on in the world... in a different way, other than the way I was taught.

I've spent years looking at the media & geopolitics, then moving to explore competition vs cooperation, ancient cultures, looking at energy and matter in space-time, global warming, quantum mechanics, money supply and credit, transactional analysis and integrated psychotherapy, etc etc... and latterly NDE's and other paranormal phenomena...

Each time I guess I've been looking for a way to practically undermine the historical system of control which I believe we all labour under... I've found key pillars of the systems that control us... but no real way of dismantling the system from the bottom up...

The fundamental issues of experience (consciousness), that we discuss on here, seem to be closer to the core of this problem, than anything else I have found...

But how to put an idea into action, such that it has real traction with the public. I've had ideas, but don't quite have the belief, to try putting them into action in a practical way... deep down, I wonder if that's not just a cop out, because I really believe I'm probably wrong, and my ideas will turn out to have been wrong, and perhaps I don't want to sabotage that fantasy.

I don't expect much in the way of response (as usual)... my position seems to be a million miles away from most people's perspective on here
 
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Craig Murray's talk on Syria. (Ex UK Ambassador)
So true it'll make you want to reach for the bucket!

 
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How many people here actually believe without any skepticism the Western media's claim that Assad would be stupid enough to use Chemical weapons right now?

Apparently ISIS had chemical weapons
CBS: ISIS using chemical weapons in Iraq:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-evidence-isis-using-chemical-weapons-iraq/
NYT: ISIS used chemical weapons 52 times in Syria and Iraq:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/middleeast/isis-chemical-weapons-syria-iraq-mosul.html?_r=0
BBC: IS making and using chemical weapons in Iraq and Syria
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34211838

2012: Pentagon admits training rebels in use of Chemical weapons
http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentag...rebels-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons/5583784

2014: Assad gives up chemical weapons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Syria's_chemical_weapons

Feb 23, 2017, McCain, the MIC salesman makes "secret" trip to Syria
http://thehill.com/policy/international/302049-mccain-visits-syria-to-meet-with-rebels

The Syrian air strike was on a rebel weapons depot: perhaps the bombs merely exploded CW in the depot?

There is no primary source evidence.

How many women and children are still dying as collateral damage in US attacks? Utter hypocrisy.

But CNN once again pulls on the heart strings of the gullible with a sweet little girl reading war propaganda
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/politics/syria-bana-alabed-cry-for-help-cnntv/index.html

This theater is so transparent now; how can people not see through this?
 
Max_B said:
I don't expect much in the way of response (as usual)... my position seems to be a million miles away from most people's perspective on here
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Why not put your ideas into a PM, and invite whoever you think might be interested?

Sometimes I think a PM is the best way to discuss complicated ideas - there is just less noise than in the forum.

David
 
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The tragedy is that I expect many on the 'Left' are as much against what has happened as Hurm and I are, but it was the Left that chose to create an obstacle course for newly inaugurated Donald Trump, and it was the Left MSM that dwelt on images of the dead, when it could have exposed more of the background to this situation, and it was Hillary who was set on an even more extreme policy in Syria.

How many here from the Left - Roberta, Ian Gordon, etc opposed Donald Trump when he was campaigning on getting out of Syria, and then backed all the anti-Trump craziness - well I hope you are proud that you seem to have converted/tricked the guy into doing this.

David
 
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