Zorananda, Demystifying Yoga |559|

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by Alex Tsakiris | Jul 5 | Spirituality
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Zorananda is an accomplished Yoga teacher and creator of the Yoga Connection podcast.
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Zorananda's Website: https://zorananda.com/
He does music too: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/zorananda/1536955655

I got a book many years ago by Kareen Zebroff and tried Yoga for a summer. I never got really heavy "into" it. But one thing that has never left me is the ability to calm my mind and rest — free from distraction. That one skill alone has proven to be invaluable. However, just like institutionalized religions or cults, I tend to be standoffish about getting involved on a group level.


Question: Is Zorananda a yogi name he took on ( like an artist pseudonym e.g. Elton John ) and his birth name is Jerry or some other typical Western name?
 
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Zorananda's Website: https://zorananda.com/
He does music too: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/zorananda/1536955655

I got a book many years ago by Kareen Zebroff and tried Yoga for a summer. I never got really heavy "into" it. But one thing that has never left me is the ability to calm my mind and rest — free from distraction. That one skill alone has proven to be invaluable. However, just like institutionalized religions or cults, I tend to be standoffish about getting involved on a group level.


Question: Is Zorananda a yogi name he took on
I kind of assumed it is but I don't know
 
What do I think about yoga? Well, I'm fairly sure it's a useful spiritual practice for some people so I'm not going to knock it. In other traditions, e.g. Sufism, there is a certain amount of emphasis placed on the body, with specific exercises designed for specific purposes, but generally speaking they're considered means to ends rather than beng ends in themselves. Mind you, I suppose in the end, the same could be said of yoga, though as often practised there seems to be an emphasis on bodily shapes and movements.

Maybe Yoga is an optimal way for certain kinds of more active and restless people to get into spirituality, whereas in other traditions, the spiritual impulse may come first, bodily movements being prescribed as and when necessary by a teacher to help seekers.

I hazard a guess that that most genuine traditions aim for some kind of balance between body and mind (to use loose terms). As incarnated beings, we necessarily have to take care of bodily needs and functions, or else we won't be able to make any kind of spiritual evolution. I suppose one can make the initial approach from the (apparently) physical side, or from the mental (consciousness) side, including such things as meditation and/or self-enquiry.

Even the Romans had some inkling of this:

You should pray for a healthy mind in a healthy body*.
Ask for a stout heart that has no fear of death,
and deems length of days the least of Nature's gifts
that can endure any kind of toil,
that knows neither wrath nor desire and thinks
the woes and hard labors of Hercules better than
the loves and banquets and downy cushions of Sardanapalus.
What I commend to you, you can give to yourself;
For assuredly, the only road to a life of peace is virtue.

*Mens sana in corpore sano

There are hints in the above that Juvenal, the author, would have applauded those types who like to immerse themselves in freezing water, hold their breaths for a long time, and so on. It's not for me, but like I say, I'm not knocking it.
 
JP Sears at the beginning... lol
We saw him and his wife joy riding on a scooter around downtown Austin one day. Some pasty muscled up dude whizzed past us with a mane of flowing orange hair and a VEGAN AF purple shirt and I recognized him immediately.

In my early 20s I was suffering from hips that had become terribly arthritic due to Lyme disease and was trying everything I could to regain my flexibility... I didn't know at the time that my hips were bone on bone with bone spurs all around and there was no way any sort of physical activity was going to fix them. So I tried Yoga. Even though I couldn't do a lot of the poses that involved hip flexibility I still loved it. Great workout... calming... the bit at the end where you lay flat on your back put me right to sleep. I walked out of there feeling sort of peacefully blank empty destressed. I got my hips replaced age 26 so now I can do a lot more than before and I've done a random Yoga class here or there but nothing serious... don't have the time or freedom of schedule to do it regularly. Always wanted to get back to it though.
 
I haven't yet listened to the latest episode. I've been doing a deep dive on Joseph Atwill's theory of the Roman psyop to create the New Testament, and the early centuries AD with the spread and victory of Christianity over the Roman Empire.

When I hear yogis from India saying things like "all religions are essentially the same" I couldn't disagree more. There is a radical difference between the New Testament and the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, for instance. Can you imagine a yogi going out, trying to forcibly make people take part in yoga sessions?
 
If we compare the yoga tradition and other non-Biblical spiritual/philosophical traditions to the virulent takeover of the Roman Empire by Christianity, Edward Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' deserves its status as a classic of history to help us understand Christianity's political success:

 
I haven't yet listened to the latest episode. I've been doing a deep dive on Joseph Atwill's theory of the Roman psyop to create the New Testament, and the early centuries AD with the spread and victory of Christianity over the Roman Empire.

When I hear yogis from India saying things like "all religions are essentially the same" I couldn't disagree more. There is a radical difference between the New Testament and the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, for instance. Can you imagine a yogi going out, trying to forcibly make people take part in yoga sessions?
Well that's why I mentioned my experience with bks Iyengar and pattabhi jois... great yogis... not exactly perfect human beings
 
This dude is a deep thinker, but a cautious one. There is nothing wrong with that. I think that he is somewhat loquacious in his explanations, but also, refreshingly accurate.

Personally, I think that what we perceive as yoga, in the media saturated world, is fucking bullshit. Also, if you get off your ass and work out hard, no matter what the routine, then you are doing real worthwhile shit, whether you call it "yoga" or not.

What I hate about the world is sanctimony. It doesn't matter what religions people come from, but that arrogant shit needs to be left wherever such type people masturbate.
 
Well that's why I mentioned my experience with bks Iyengar and pattabhi jois... great yogis... not exactly perfect human beings

So no matter how different the philosophies / religions / practices, there'll be individuals who'll use it for their own selfish advantage... i can definitely see that
 
Just listened to the show. Zorananda seems like a cool guy) Always appreciate the turning up of the skeptiko dial, trying to get the guest off-balance to reveal some unexpected insights)

Here are some initial thoughts:
1. Wim Hof:
on another show when I heard Alex describe Wim as a yogi that was a mind-blowing. It's so true but I'd never thought of it like that before. I was mainly impressed by Wim's seemingly superhuman feats with the cold and control over his autonomic immune system, which was meant to be impossible

Another amazing fact about Wim is he has a twin brother. So in a way he's the ideal test case of what could be genetic vs what could be environmental or what could be spiritual
 
2. What Zoranander said in general about not being dogmatic, and in particular when he said he has time to do things, to enjoy his incarnation. Ironically, it reminds me somewhat of the ancient law-giving text in India, 'Manu Smrti', in which Brahmanas are to have families and raise their children, until they're old, and THEN they're to go into the wilderness and dedicate themselves to meditation. (I know the Manu Smrti is dogmatic about this, but it's at least life-affirming, in the sense that family life is important too, not just trying to isolate oneself from the rest of existence and meditate for one's entire incarnation)
 
3. Chakras:
I did a yoga-type course, and part of it was about trying to see clairvoyantly. We did exercises for a couple of hours such as physically falling back, letting the others in the course catch our fall. Also looking at an object and stepping back with one foot as we did so. Basically everything was about increasing the sense of "letting go"...

After maybe an hour of doing this, the girl I was with (who was very psychic) was looking into the flame of a candle and said she could see a fire elemental in the flame. Unfortunately I couldn't see it. I believed her though. We carried on with the "falling back" / "letting go" exercises. Then I looked at her from the side. I could see these bright orangey yellow whirlwind type vortex structures of energy, swirling at various points on her body. Maybe half a dozen of them all together. It was amazing to see. After some seconds I realised these are probably the chakras. Then I started to wonder other things, and my clairvoyant vision ended as the chattering of the mind took over

I'm almost certain it wasn't a hallucination, and quite certain I'd seen the chakras.

But something that had puzzled me is why I hadn't seen the chakras in various colours. All of them just appeared as orangey yellow vortexes of swirling energy.

But then what Zoranander said during the interview, that the chakras being depicted in different colours isn't traditionally how they were seen... Very interesting
 
Just watched the documentary "My octopus teacher" on Netflix. What's that got to do with This episode? First off, the filmmaker is a great fan of cold-water swimming in the sea, going so far as to say that after a while it becomes addictive. Reminds me of Alex.

Second, in my view this leads to a gripping and fascinating tale where he goes beyond the purely physical into contemplation and self-enquiry, not to mention heightened compassion. This is may be a yoga-like progression. Any way, I can higly recommend the film.
 
I haven't yet listened to the latest episode. I've been doing a deep dive on Joseph Atwill's theory of the Roman psyop to create the New Testament, and the early centuries AD with the spread and victory of Christianity over the Roman Empire.

When I hear yogis from India saying things like "all religions are essentially the same" I couldn't disagree more. There is a radical difference between the New Testament and the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, for instance. Can you imagine a yogi going out, trying to forcibly make people take part in yoga sessions?

Come now. Seems to me you're talking about differences in external forms of religion rather than essential differences in scriptures upon which religions are based. Besides, when it comes to exoteric Hinduism and Christianity, there is a case that they both have something to answer for. And Yoga possibly originated in Hinduism, although was also adopted by Buddhism and other traditions like Sufism.
 
Come now. Seems to me you're talking about differences in external forms of religion rather than essential differences in scriptures upon which religions are based.

Actually the other way around: I'm referring to essential differences in the texts.

I guess you're at least somewhat familiar with the work of Joe Atwill on the New Testament, showing that it was (to an extent) a psyop by the Flavian Roman emperors to create a slave morality

But on another level, there are also elements in the New Testament of zealotry that it was based on. E.g.

'Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”'

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword"
 
Compare this to the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali:
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/yogasutr.htm

E.g.
1.33. By cultivating friendliness towards happiness and compassion towards misery, gladness towards virtue and indifference towards vice, the mind becomes pure.

1.34. Optionally, mental equanimity may be gained by the even expulsion and retention of energy.

1.35. Or activity of the higher senses causes mental steadiness.

1.36. Or the state of sorrowless Light.

1.37. Or the mind taking as an object of concentration those who are freed of compulsion.

1.38. Or depending on the knowledge of dreams and sleep.

1.39. Or by meditation as desired.
 
In contrast to the New Testament, notice how tolerant the Yoga Sutras are. Many different ways are suggested that one could reach the same goal.

Compare the NT again:
"No one comes to the Father except through me"

There's a vast difference there
 
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